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Ok it was fine in the 60s but in a world where real terrorists bin their phone and SIM card after one call to avoid detection does it not seem rather inane that the supposed biggest terrorist group in the world should walk around with these rings covered in stupid octoghosts or whatever they are that even the most gormless police officer (I'm looking at you San Francisco police captain from AVTAK) could spot?
I totally agree and could never understand this. It does seem a mite stupid having a distinctive logo prominent about your person for a secret villainous operation! Unless of course the logo is carried by a front masquerading as a straight honest to goodness enterprise. Like Apple of California for example, with their simple logo, who are creaming billions of $ from everyone around the world and exercising mind control. Oh, hang on a mo... ;)
A different line of thinking goes, they're a secret organisation that intelligence services aren't aware of. If no one is aware of their existence, then no body would be looking out for an octopus ring, and anyone who did notice the ring and the logo, wouldn't be aware of its significance. It's a warning to criminal organisations that do know about them...
So you must have loved the cyber-terrorist scheme from "Skyfall" no? It evoked a lot of comparisons with Wikileaks, Richard Snowden. Hell, Silva even reminded me of a slightly larger-than-life Julian Assange.
Still, it was a larger-than-life interpretation of the real world. And that's what the Bond universe is really. Le Chiffre had his bleeding eye, and his (Fleming-esque) benzeen inhaler (by the way a typical 1950's esque drug, that's extinct nowadays).
Here Fleming comes in. HE actually created the crime syndicate S.P.E.C.T.R.E. as a more flamboyant, larger-than-life experiment as opposed to real countries fighting with each other.
So can't we...have that approach for once, after three down-to-earth, realistic Bond films? I'm buying it, I'm loving it that S.P.E.C.T.R.E. returns. And if you really want to have a link with reality, then please follow this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_criminal_enterprises,_gangs_and_syndicates
And after you finished reading, take in mind that Bond has always been slightly larger than life, slightly more slick, elegant and suave...than our real world. At times evoking fantastical situations, but NEVER turning into sci-fi.
Those are some extreme examples. But even "Moonraker" showed us events that could happen in the very near foreseeable future. Actually, only two years later, as the real space shuttle was sent into orbit around Earth.
But on the whole, even the more realistic Bond-films have a slightly...unrealistic "touch":
--> The Omega-virus from "OHMSS". Only a dozin Angels of Death can spread so much death and destruction? Highly unlikely.
--> The high stakes Poker Game at "Casino Royale"? Hell, terrorists who get to do such a game that openly, are immediately caught by Europol before such a Poker game starts. Even real casino's don't want to be associated that openly with terrorists.
--> The Tierra-project in "QOS". Did no one ask themselves how the hell Quantum and Dominic Greene were able to harvest so much water unnoticed? It distinguishes even QOS from the Jason Bourne films in that sense.
I think you're overestimating the competence of the average terrorist.
And let's keep in mind that many of the largest criminal organizations in the world have their members get very prominent and permanent tattoos.
I love the SPECTRE ring being brought back, especially one as subtle as this. If worn with the logo facing inward it'd be nearly impossible to distinguish from any other ring.
Some people have got a little too carried away with this so called gritty reboot, yes the films have a more real world feel but they are fantasy plain and simple and I don't want them to be anything else.
Personally I think it's a great idea, I love the way they are introducing this iconography into the new era and giving it a new spin. Read the outline again which someone posted in the spoiler thread and I'm more than happy with the way this film is playing out.
I wanted fun Bond again and it looks like we are getting it but with the drama and the depth, no Bond is never going to be Chinatown but then it shouldn't be, it should be thoroughly entertaining and a little OTT now and then.
I watch Bond to take me out of the mundane real world, if I want something more realistic I'll happily watch TTSS instead but when it comes escapist entertainment Bond fits the bill and I don't think the Craig films have diverted from that ten plate.
I may very well be the only Bond fan that's a fan of this more dramatic, dark, depressing (but cool) version of Bond that we're seeing. Maybe because I grew up with it. I just find it more appealing, Hollywood is filled with "fun" action movies with mindnumbingly long action sequences that lack any tension.
Personally, I can relate better to Craig, which is why his films had a huge impact on me personally. He's not superman, and he fails. He bleeds. You can feel his pain. That's a real spy.
That's my opinion.
Bond is not a real spy, Spy's don't get gadgets and expensive cars to drive around and draw attention to themselves, Bond is utterly preposterous, it has and always should be.
Don't get me wrong I love the Craig era and SF is my 2nd favourite entry but I'm not under any illusions that this is gritty or real life, it's escapist entertainment and Bond should never be anything else.
A very interesting theory indeed - could well be!
That quote could come back to haunt you if we ever get another DAD.
I don't see any contradiction between these two statements. Look at Nolan's batman series. Obviously in any universe Batman is a ludicrous idea, but Nolan's Batman's are certainly dramatic, dark and depressing. perhaps the same with Craig's Bond. Craig's Bond is less OTT sure, but realistic? Hardly. Believable should the standard we aim for, not realistic.
Thanks. Obviously in this day and age EON would never be as blunt about such a thing as Fleming was, but that's why I thought it was a very subtle nod.
The FRWL design was great, as people mentioned here it was crude and looked both discreet and sinister. The TB ring was too obvious, almost like a criminal biker group's logo. Maybe that was the effect they were going for: assertive and in your face. But that was not very plausible (however I love TB). The SP one works nicely I think, as it is sufficiently discreet.
I would add to this that members of criminal organizations nowadays wear tattoos to identify themselves to the group they belong to. And a tattoo is far less subtle than a ring.
something like this?
;)
Cool! When did you get that done?
That is actually a very discreet one. Some criminal organizations' members have their body covered with them, each tattoo with their specific meaning: he killed a man, he killed a man under order, he's been a member since a number of years, etc. Yakuzas have tattoos covering their whole body.
So yes, I can live with a ring with a sort of ghost squid symbolizing a terrorist organization that may or may not exist. Hardly incriminating, in our day and age.
I was thinking about getting one. Maybe the new one, little
True. :)
This is from Sony or did you make it?
I know that it has had mixed reactions but I have to say I do like it!