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He'd of said to his party about announcing his resignation if he didn't get elected (he knew there was a probable chance he wouldn't) and they'd agree to reject it a few days later so he could stay one.
He is the most media savey of all the leaders - he knew exactly what he was doing.
Legendary. Isnt that we want in a leader rather than some posh twat who pretends to like football to be seen as one of the people when we all know he hasn't got a clue?
No, and the electorate of South Thanet and further afield wisely rejected Farage and supported Cameron.
Yeah that comment is hillarious, so was Ryan Giggs.
Revenge is best served cold. :))
Thatcher was the ultimate posh twat and yet you love her. Pretty much all politicians are posh twats. Farage went to public school too. And no Farage isn't what I want in a leader. A Thatcherite who wants to scrap race relation laws, scrap maternity leave, privatize the NHS, etc? No thanks. Not a fan of Cameron but I'll take him over Farage any day.
Dan Jarvis has what I want in a leader. Unfortunately he's already said he won't be running for Labour leader because of his children.
Thatcher was a posh twat because she was a nasty, stuck up, Apartheid supporting bitch who despised the working class and destroyed entire communities. There's a reason there were so many street parties in working class areas up north when she died.
Being 'nasty' and a 'bitch' don't make someone posh. Yes they make them a twat but their class is incidental.
On the rare occasions I have met someone properly posh they have been extremely pleasant, down to earth people. And travelling on the bus every day with the wonderful working class I know which are the nicer.
It's only one side that ever do something as classless as desecrating a war memorial or having parties at the death of an old lady to make their point.
Thank you! So nice to have these questions sorted out! The upper class consist of nice people, and only the working class could think of doing classless stuff. I am so glad you could clarify this for us ones and for all! And all foolproof analyzis based on personal experience as well? Wow, impressive!
Just trying to point out that you get 'nasty bitches' in all walks of life but because of the chip on his shoulder @thelivingroyale seems to think they are exclusive characteristics of the 'posh'.
As for personal experience I'm not going to apologise for saying I'd rather go home in a cab full of posh people than take the night bus.
Hi, I hear you. But you have already confirmed you don't know her background and its clear from your posts you don't know what she did in power you are posting based upon how others interpreted her. I amnot a Tory, A snob or a Thatcherite but I will hopefully educate on why people are torn on Thatcher so you can make an informed decision before you post
The "parties in the North" you referred to were because she closed the coal mines and this hit the Steel industry as well which in turn hit the north working class hard. Thatcher thought coal was a dirty fossil fuel and it was time to change to a cleaner energy with strides being made in Nuclear and Electrical this led to Electrical operated trains rather than coal driven, transformation to central heating in homes rather than by coal fires, this led to lower pollution of the enviroment and lift of the Smog from the country.
She did not bow down to the terrorist activites of the IRA, she stood against terrorist acts with steally British defiance. Even though they tried to blow her up at her party conference. Fortunately for her they bombed the wrong room but she did have to climb from the debris. She later signed the Anglo-Irish agreement, which gave the Republic of Ireland a say in the affairs of the north, paving the way for the Good Friday peace agreement of 1998 and began to bring peace in Northern Ireland.
When Argentia occupied the British held Falkland islands Thatcher stood strong to protect the British Empire by seeing them off. She was hated for ordering the sinking of the Belgrano an Argentine naval ship who had sailed in to neutral zone waters but was heading back out.
Margaret Thatcher gave council house tennants the right to buy. Many people who previously could never have afford to own their property were allowed to buy their council houses for a massivly discounted price. Many then sold their home a full market price and retired on their profit. This lifted some of the poorest in society. Downside is they did not build new council houses to replace the ones they sold.
Thatcher's shops bill, designed to allow Sunday trading, was voted down in 1986. It was her only defeat on an entire bill in the Commons. But the road to deregulation for shops and pubs had begun.
She had shady relationships with Rupert Murdoch and Jimmy Saville.
Like with all leaders she did some good, some bad and some on split second decision.
They were Tories during the 80s and early 90s when they were stronger, they even foresaw John Major's shock victory in 1992 and claimed that it was all down to them
When it looked increasingly likely that they would lose, what did they do? They backed "New Labour" six weeks before the 1997 General Election.
What happened in 2009, when Gordon Brown was looking like he would lose the election the following year?
They returned to the Conservatives.
Something which he never said or implied. Its merely your interpretation of his post.
The only one who has stated that certain behavior only implies to a specific "class" is you:
Seems pretty well implied to me. I can see how you could draw the inference that someone who is nasty is a twat but how does being posh have any bearing on it? Unless of course you have some axe to grind against the posh?
You're not nasty because you're posh any more than you are because you are common. You are nasty because you are a twat but that's not what @thelivingroyale said I'm afraid.
As for behaviour attributed to a certain class, in that respect I was slightly incorrect and can see how you may have misread what I said as part of the whole 'posh' debate we were having. I was actually referring to a political class when discussing such yobbish behaviour.
I'm sure there are millions of decent working class people out there who are utterly disgusted at the behaviour of the Russell Brand worshipping Socialist Worker types who think desecrating a war memorial or smashing someone's property is a legitimate way to make their point so I wouldn't want to tarnish them unfairly.
Unless you're seriously telling me that this foul behaviour is just as likely to have been committed by a Duke or a Lord as by some Swampy type?
Winning has took the wind out of their sails.
or do they?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2061600/David-Gilmours-son-Charlie-released-jail-Cambridge-University-IS-taking-back.html
Friends in the shower block. :D
Perhaps Bond would says "yes, I agree old boy, hopefully some "hardend" criminals. :))
EDIT 2: Nope, gone. Great. Delete this please mods. I'll retype it later.
Thanks but I'm well aware of what she did when she was in power. My father in law and my adoptive uncle were miners. I've posted in detail about Thatcher on this site before actually (and it's turned up into arguments and got me into trouble, which is why I'm probably gonna bow out of the whole debate after this post), such as here
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/8629/the-most-hated-bond-endings/p5
Thatcher didn't just want cleaner energy sources though. She hated the miners and the power of their trade union and she was determined to not have a repeat of the 70s strikes (which were successful). She didn't give a toss about the miners who were striking because they had no other way of putting food on the table for their families. No, they were "the enemy within", and she had the police using brute force to stop them. Yes the mines were unproductive and yes there are more environmentally friendly energy sources (although was clean energy really a big issue back in the 80s? And I've been told before by my uncle, admittedly not the most reliable source, that there are ways to make coal mining more environmentally friendly) but she still hated the miners and didn't give a toss about the entire communities she was destroying.
@TheWizardOfIce I don't hate the upper classes (I'm on a James Bond forum ffs) or think they're all twats. I apologize if it came across that way but it wasn't my intention. I believe that there are good and bad people from all walks of life.
This misunderstanding is my fault really because of my misuse of the word, which comes from what I associate the word posh with. Maybe because of where I'm from but I associate the word posh with being stuck up and snobby, with thinking you're above people because you had a different background to them. When I call someone a posh twat most of the time I either mean they're elitist, snobby, stuck up, etc. Qualities Thatcher had. Hence I called her a posh twat. It's a word that has negative connotations for me, to use another example to explain my point: Political Correctness is, by definition, a very good thing, but is now associated by many with people overreacting and being oversensitive.
I also feel like I should say that of course I don't condone the actions of the dickhead that painted graffiti on the war memorial. But I also feel like I should address your last point: no it's not as likely to have been committed by a duke or a lord. But that's because they have no reason to. They were born into wealthy families who could afford to send them to private schools and then had enough connections to get them a place at a top university followed by a well paid job. You think the son of a duke or a lord has ever ended up made redundant and struggled to find more work? Think they've ever struggled to feed their families? Course they haven't. They've had everything handed to them on a silver platter. Will a duke or a lord care if the NHS is privatized? Course not, they're probably on private health care already. Yeah they have to pay more tax but I think that's fair given all the advantages they have and they're still better off than the rest of us.
I didn't celebrate her death. Can't say I mourned her but I think the time to celebrate was when her political career ended rather than when a sick old woman died. Having said that I'm not gonna judge the people who did because some people did have their lives ruined thanks to Thatcher.
I blame it on the monarchy. The UK has the worst social mobility in the Western world: you are born in a class, you stay in that class.
Europe has quite a few monarchies and few or none have the class system like in the UK.