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  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited November 2012 Posts: 11,189
    JimThompson45 wrote:
    I've long thought Bronsan's performances were considerably weakened because he often seemed to be trying to honor so many different interpretations of the character rather than just have one of his own. In that way, I think Moore was superior; like it or not, he came up with his own unique portrayal.

    I love Moore but some might say he is easily the worst as he set in motion the idea that Bond should be an unflappable posh playboy. Without him there would be no Brosnan.
  • JimThompson45JimThompson45
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    I love Moore but some might say he is easily the worst as he set in motion the idea that Bond should be an unflappable posh playboy.

    That's not what bothered me about Moore's take on the character; what got in my way of really enjoying what he was doing is what I saw as his tremendous softening of the character. He could deliver a great line, but I didn't believe he could stand up to a stiff wind much of the time.

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited November 2012 Posts: 11,189
    JimThompson45 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I love Moore but some might say he is easily the worst as he set in motion the idea that Bond should be an unflappable posh playboy.

    That's not what bothered me about Moore's take on the character; what got in my way of really enjoying what he was doing is what I saw as his tremendous softening of the character. He could deliver a great line, but I didn't believe he could stand up to a stiff wind much of the time.

    One thing that I've sometimes I've had issues with regarding Moore is that I occasionally felt I was watching Moore first and Bond second.

    Maybe its because of the way Brosnan looks...in which case call me shallow...but there were moments which made me say "Bond" in my head.

    Same goes for DC.
  • LicencedToKilt69007LicencedToKilt69007 Belgium, Wallonia
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    It's difficult because I love both in their ways, but Moore made Bond his own character which is a huge perf, while as said above Brosnan (the most gifted actor of them to me) recreated past different interpretations, but still making his own, in Bond personnality like he's cold but has human feels, the never-give-up state of mind so did Connery in FRWL, Dalton, so does Craig.
    I'd add Brosnan was the one and only that truly rushed to save his own skin (a bit Dalton in LTK) And thing absent before, much with Moore, (quite with Dalton) due to "Bond always wins" behaviour "and never struggled".
  • LicencedToKilt69007LicencedToKilt69007 Belgium, Wallonia
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    So, Both.
  • LicencedToKilt69007LicencedToKilt69007 Belgium, Wallonia
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    Plus, Brosnan was very arrogant in DAD, but it was in character's script description. I guess. So does in the book "Casino Royal"... Moore and Lazenby so tongue-in-cheek.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    BondBug wrote:
    There is no contest.
    Roger Moore WAS James Bond.

    Exactly.

    My view of Brosnan is less that he was paying homage to Sean and Roger and rather that he just didn't know what he wanted to achieve. His only goal was to avoid being another Dalton, and it showed...
  • JohnBarryFanJohnBarryFan
    edited December 2012 Posts: 1,405
    Brosnan vs any of the other 5 will look lame. First thing he didn't have the physical attributes to carry the "mantle of Bond". Not the tallest of the lot, he surely had the narrowest shoulder. Featuring a nice haircut isn't everything. In fact, viewing Goldeneye for the first time on the day of the release, Fanmke Janssen looked more impressive, surely way more threatening...

    Good thing for him he could act. But even that took a back seat when he played in badly written Bond movies (his last 3 outings).

    So, I'd take Sir Roger any day of the week, any week of the year.
  • Goldeneye95Goldeneye95
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    Goldeneye>Live And Let Die
    The Man With the Golden Gun>Tomorrow Never Dies
    The World is Not Enough>The Spy Who Loved Me
    Moonraker>Die Another Day

    It's a tie for me as well.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Moore had charm, and leftover credit from The Saint. He was good looking, and had real star power.
    Brosnan was young & even better looking (& great hair), with leftover credit from Remington Steele.
    Roger did a more personalised Bond, realising the finer qualities of the character in favour of the less redeeming.
    IMO Pierce did a better Bond, more human, more apt to be volatile or emotional. More ready to kill in a moment.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    Moore's was more unique, but not necessarily for the right reasons. Though I appreciated a different take, the silliness was a bit too much at times, especially in MR and AVTAK. Brosnan was the least innovative Bond to me, but he still did a really good job, and I prefer him a little over Moore. He gets a lot of flak mostly because of how his films were; GoldenEye is classic, The World is Not Enough is underrated to me, but I was not a big fan of Tomorrow Never Dies and Die Another Day. Brosnan over Moore for me, just by a little.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    FoxRox wrote:
    Brosnan was the least innovative Bond to me

    Whoah, that's IT! You nailed his weakness. But with average non-hardcore fans it was also his strength IMO.
    Moore's strength was being more family-friendly. No real 'edge' to speak of compared to other Bonds.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    chrisisall wrote:
    FoxRox wrote:
    Brosnan was the least innovative Bond to me

    Whoah, that's IT! You nailed his weakness. But with average non-hardcore fans it was also his strength IMO.
    Moore's strength was being more family-friendly. No real 'edge' to speak of compared to other Bonds.

    Exactly. Quite honestly if Brosnan had been more original he may have had a shot of being ranked higher in my favorite Bonds, but he just didn't do enough to make himself feel more different than the other 5. Regardless, he's a better James Bond than Moore just for the character's sake. I don't dislike either at all; I enjoy all 6 Bond actors to some extent. If Brosnan had gotten a couple more great Bond films after GE, he probably would be more well-liked.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I still love da Broz. He was no 60's Connery or Dalton, but a totally serviceable Bond IMO.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited March 2014 Posts: 4,399
    while i always felt Moore's Bond inferior to Connery, Dalton, and now Craig - there is something to be said about his wit, his charm, and his generally likable personality that make his films fun to watch - even if they were far removed from the rougher Fleming Bond.... Moore played the role to his strengths, and really brought his own personal flair to the role - which really he made his own during his run... I couldn't picture Moore in a Connery Bond film (well, maybe DAF) but I couldn't picture Connery in a Moore Bond film and have it feel the same way.....

    while Brosnan's first two outings were certainly better than his last two, I never got the impression that he took the role by the horns and made it his own - he gave solid performances in each one of his films - and each of those films shortcomings or problems were never solely Pierce's fault... but I never felt like he brought that intangible quality that made his Bond stand out from others... i think if they found a steady direction for him to go towards, it could've worked out better - it felt like he was stuck in this limbo (much like his films at the time) where it was like they were going "do we make this serious? do we go with more action? do we make this more emotional? do we lighten things up?"... during his run, it felt like they used Broz as a guinea pig and they threw a bunch of crap at the wall to see what would stick..... by the end, obviously Brosnan was starting to find his rhythm, but by then it was too little too late..... but he did a fine job, and i enjoyed his tenure (sans one film).. but i couldn't put him above Moore - Moore just has too many classic moments..
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    @haserot, a good summation. I clearly like Brosnan more than you do, but I can find no fault whatsoever with you reasoning here.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Brosnan is my favorite 007 of the 6, and Roger is my runner-up, so as far as they are concerned by themselves, Brosnan takes the win. Both are clear and far away the best two Bonds of all, without a doubt, and at one time, Roger was my favorite, with Pierce in second place, so I almost consider them equals, truthfully. As for the "movie breakdown":

    LALD < GE
    TMWTGG < TND
    TSWLM > TWINE
    MR < DAD

    Brosnan still wins, but three of Moore's best, FYEO-AVTAK, aren't accounted for, obviously, so it's not exactly fair.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited March 2014 Posts: 4,399
    chrisisall wrote:
    @haserot, a good summation. I clearly like Brosnan more than you do, but I can find no fault whatsoever with you reasoning here.

    i truly don't dislike any of the Bonds... i try not to get caught up in the whole 'i have to like this guy more than this one'.. it seems like sometimes as fans, in order to prove how much we are fans of something we have to start hating things about it..... (ie: Star Wars, Indiana Jones or any other big film franchise, or general fandom).. and as I get older (going to be 30 this year - boy oh boy i am such an old man).. but i tend to dial back hatred on such things - and save it for stuff that really matters lol.... like war, politics, justin bieber - things like that...... when it comes to Bond I went through that stage where i was like "F Pierce, his movies suck!" or "Connery all the way, everything else is garbage." and i felt like i was trying to conform to popular consensus............ i finally just had enough of playing to one side or the other - i got tired of trying to view everything with blinders on, that it was preventing me from being able to sit back and enjoy a movie for what it is - entertainment....... bottom line, no one knows what you like better than you, so stick to your guns - but never be afraid to change your mind..
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @haserot, that's exactly why I don't make rankings. I may have in the past, but it's usually forced and I hate doing it. I don't have any Bond film, actor, etc. I hate, and even for those that may not be considered my favorites, I still have so much I love about them.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    exactly..... my ranking if i do them, is usually based on my enjoyment factor - which ones i prefer watching over others..... and often times my rankings fluctuate depending on the mood i am in..... so i do rankings as a fun little way to kill time, but i hardly constrict my opinions to them... because while i love films like FRWL, CR and SF - certain days, I feel like LALD or TND for a change of pace.... and thats what I've grown to love about Bond movies - there is at least one that can satisfy whatever mood your in lol.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited March 2014 Posts: 45,489
    JohnBarryFan wrote:
    Brosnan vs any of the other 5 will look lame. First thing he didn't have the physical attributes to carry the "mantle of Bond". Not the tallest of the lot, he surely had the narrowest shoulder. Featuring a nice haircut isn't everything. In fact, viewing Goldeneye for the first time on the day of the release, Fanmke Janssen looked more impressive, surely way more threatening...

    Good thing for him he could act. But even that took a back seat when he played in badly written Bond movies (his last 3 outings).

    So, I'd take Sir Roger any day of the week, any week of the year.

    I guess we wear the same "blinders". I would even rather watch MR than GE. There you have me, totally biased against bad Bond performance and poor films without neither artistic credits nor entertainment value.

    Did I mention that Moore wins this one for me?
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2014 Posts: 11,189
    Believe it or not I'd take Brosnan in GE over Moore's camp, overly smirky portrayal of Bond in MR. Moore had some good moments in MR when he was playing it straight but I simply didnt "believe" he was Bond in that film. More a version of himself.

    The two things I think MR does legitimately have over GE are the soundtrack and the cinematography (the strongest aspects of the film).
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I can see where you are coming from. Moore was a childhood hero for me, and I guess some of you younger members are more immune to his charm, and can see his flaws better. Like I can with Brosnan. I get that. But please do not say you want to smack Roger again, you will feel bad when he is gone.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2014 Posts: 11,189
    Of course I will. Believe it or not I like Rog and have gone to see him several times when he's done live shows (my copy of his autobiography is signed by him). I think he is charming and gentlemanly, it's just sometimes I think he over-does the "Moore-isms" a bit. Like Broz I suppose he plays up to things.

    I still think that Moore's weakest Bond performances are MR and GG.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Moore is absolutely more Moore than Bond. He was the same in The Saint and The Persuaders. Cool you got the chance to see him several times. I would like that.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2014 Posts: 11,189
    I feel a bit bad because last time I saw him he overran and I had to leave as my car park ticket had ran out. The friend I saw him with confessed to not liking Rog though (in fairness he isn't a Bond fan). He thought Rog was too full of himself. He missed out ;)

    I have to confess too I don't like Rog as much in The Saint (from what I've seen of it). Its that smirk he does that gets to me a little.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    He can maybe come across as that if one does not understand his sense of humour. But I doubt that was really the case. Probably the nicest of the bunch.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I agree. Rog is quite self mocking in his sense of humour. I suppose over the years he's grown accustom to the criticisms that he's a limited actor so that's the best way to respond.

    He certainly seems to be the actor that embraces playing Bond the most. All the others (including Dan) seem to want to distance themselves from it and will only comfortably discuss the role on special occasions. I get the feeling Moore would happily talk about it over lunch and I like him for that.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    Roger Moore wins easily for me but I do like Brosnan. Hell, I like all of the Bond actors. Brosnan looked better in the fighting scenes but I would rank Moore higher in every other category. Except for possibly his wardrobe. Wow, the 70's were crazy. Anyway, it's rather distressing to hear Pierce say that he was kind of forced into being a combination of Connery and Moore. Had the writers and/or producers let him find his own way then perhaps we would have a more definitive idea of who his Bond truly was.

  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    Thunderfinger wrote:
    I guess we wear the same "blinders".

    not sure if this was meant as a dig or not... hard to tell...

    i didn't mean offense to anyone on here by saying that, nor did i suggest that anyone who sees things from a different p.o.v as wearing "blinders" - i was only speaking in regards to myself.... sometimes i'd get a bit too focused on one thing, or trying to think one way, that i didn't look at the whole picture - hence "blinders"..

    sorry if you felt that it was a way of speaking down.

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