Rank the Barbara Broccolli/Michael Wilson Bond films

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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Onatopp is one of the best supporting villains the series has ever had. Bean's accent is fine.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Onatopp is one of the best supporting villains the series has ever had. Bean's accent is fine.

    +1
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Apart from Ourumov (who I could see in classic Bond films of the 60s-- he was amazing), the other characters, from Bean's Trevelyan (I love Bean as an actor), Onatopp, Boris and even Natalya, are cartoonish and buffoons to various degrees.

    I personally enjoy the grounded and sadistic villains in QoS far more. When Greene grabs that axe during the climax, he's wild-- like a cornered rat (as @Shardlake and I were recently discussing), and far more dangerous than the too-choreographed fight between Alec and Bond (where one of the actor's appears as if he's thrown a punch before, and the other was "acting")...
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Not only is Onatopp one of the best henchmen, but she was arguably the last GREAT one we’ve gotten. The closest we had a good henchman since then was Hinx, and he was severely underused IMO.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @MakeshiftPython -- I'd take Onatopp over the undercooked Hinx any day.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    double post. Why??? LOL
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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    peter wrote: »
    and far more dangerous than the too-choreographed fight between Alec and Bond (where one of the actor's appears as if he's thrown a punch before, and the other was "acting")...

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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    A cheeky visual representation of how I felt when I read you comment @peter, as I love that fight scene! :p
    Brosnan looked like a natural athlete and fought very well, as did Bean, and it doesn't look too choreographed at all. Two equals going at it in a last ditch desperate attempt at beating the other. It's the one great scrap that was afforded during the Brosnan era though, which is a shame, as it was one that proved he could do it when directed well. IMO, respectfully, of course.
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    peter wrote: »

    He's disagreeing with you!
    But some of us get what your saying!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    A cheeky visual representation of how I felt when I read you comment @peter, as I love that fight scene! :p
    Brosnan looked like a natural athlete and fought very well, as did Bean, and it doesn't look too choreographed at all. Two equals going at it in a last ditch desperate attempt at beating the other. It's the one great scrap that was afforded during the Brosnan era though, which is a shame, as it was one that proved he could do it when directed well. IMO, respectfully, of course.

    It’s the one good fisticuffs in Brozza’s run.

    Honestly, I think Vic Armstrong was the worst thing to happen to the Brosnan era.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I know you were disagreeing with my comment; my what? question was more like what is the disagreement.

    I get your point, but I train/spar and box. In GE Bean moves like a fighter. Craig moves like a fighter. These guys look as if they’ve thrown real knuckles.

    Brosnan’s blocks and punches and reactions were of a very choreographed actor, in my opinion.

    And the way Brozzer threw his mitts were terrible until the end (when he hit the South African dude in DAD, he prolly would have broken his knuckles before he broke any noses)
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited June 2020 Posts: 8,216
    A cheeky visual representation of how I felt when I read you comment @peter, as I love that fight scene! :p
    Brosnan looked like a natural athlete and fought very well, as did Bean, and it doesn't look too choreographed at all. Two equals going at it in a last ditch desperate attempt at beating the other. It's the one great scrap that was afforded during the Brosnan era though, which is a shame, as it was one that proved he could do it when directed well. IMO, respectfully, of course.

    It’s the one good fisticuffs in Brozza’s run.

    Honestly, I think Vic Armstrong was the worst thing to happen to the Brosnan era.

    I like the vehicular action in TND a lot, personally. But as far as fisticuffs go, the Brosnan era absolutely peaked right out the gate. A lot of that has to do with Campbell and the way he likes to shoot those scenes. The fight in GE has a lot in common with the stairwell fight in CR in terms of shot choices and camera movement.
    peter wrote: »
    I get your point, but I train/spar and box.

    Me too. It's a great way to stay fit.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I think GE was the last time Arthur Wooster had a larger hand in the action sequences. He’d still hang in there til DAD, but it was mainly Armstrong’s gig for the last three Brosnan flicks.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    A cheeky visual representation of how I felt when I read you comment @peter, as I love that fight scene! :p
    Brosnan looked like a natural athlete and fought very well, as did Bean, and it doesn't look too choreographed at all. Two equals going at it in a last ditch desperate attempt at beating the other. It's the one great scrap that was afforded during the Brosnan era though, which is a shame, as it was one that proved he could do it when directed well. IMO, respectfully, of course.

    It’s the one good fisticuffs in Brozza’s run.

    Honestly, I think Vic Armstrong was the worst thing to happen to the Brosnan era.

    I like the vehicular action in TND a lot, personally. But as far as fisticuffs go, the Brosnan era absolutely peaked right out the gate. A lot of that has to do with Campbell and the way he likes to shoot those scenes. The fight in GE has a lot in common with the stairwell fight in CR in terms of shot choices and camera movement.
    peter wrote: »
    I get your point, but I train/spar and box.

    Me too. It's a great way to stay fit.

    The vehicular action in TND is one of its stronger points (the chase in the car park and the motorcycle chase), but the latter goes on far too long and both of them lack an almost ineffable magic.

    John Glen, whatever you think of him as a director, made sure, from OHMSS through LTK, that the second unit captured the Bond magic in the action sequences.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Think GE has the weakest set of villains. Love Sean Bean usually, but he adopts such a silly accent here, like he is doing a bad impression of Noel Coward, that its hard to take him seriously, Onatopp is poor mans Fatima Blush, and Orlov, though starting off well in the pts, soon turns into a hip flask swigging buffoon!

    Yep.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited June 2020 Posts: 5,131
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Think GE has the weakest set of villains. Love Sean Bean usually, but he adopts such a silly accent here, like he is doing a bad impression of Noel Coward, that its hard to take him seriously, Onatopp is poor mans Fatima Blush, and Orlov, though starting off well in the pts, soon turns into a hip flask swigging buffoon!

    I have to fully disagree on this one. Bean's accent doesn't bother me. His villain gets to have one of the most close and interesting relationships with Bond of any in the series. He knows Bond better than any other villain, and it shows. Onatopp's energy and craziness is on a level above any other's when it comes to femme fatales, and she's uniquely challenging for Bond physically. Ourumov's turn from confidence to "flask swigging" is logical and interesting progression as it shows his character losing control and becoming scared while under pressure.

    Yep. The cast of characters in GE is one of the main reasons it's very high on my ranking. To me they make it a very fun film. Bean's accent/voice doesn't sound noticeably different from his normal voice / voice in other performances, but what do I know as a lowly Canadian.

    Bean’s usual accent is from Sheffield, in Yorkshire! It’s totally different. Worlds apart.

    That’s like an Englishman saying American and Canadian accents are identical.
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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Think GE has the weakest set of villains. Love Sean Bean usually, but he adopts such a silly accent here, like he is doing a bad impression of Noel Coward, that its hard to take him seriously, Onatopp is poor mans Fatima Blush, and Orlov, though starting off well in the pts, soon turns into a hip flask swigging buffoon!

    I have to fully disagree on this one. Bean's accent doesn't bother me. His villain gets to have one of the most close and interesting relationships with Bond of any in the series. He knows Bond better than any other villain, and it shows. Onatopp's energy and craziness is on a level above any other's when it comes to femme fatales, and she's uniquely challenging for Bond physically. Ourumov's turn from confidence to "flask swigging" is logical and interesting progression as it shows his character losing control and becoming scared while under pressure.

    Yep. The cast of characters in GE is one of the main reasons it's very high on my ranking. To me they make it a very fun film. Bean's accent/voice doesn't sound noticeably different from his normal voice / voice in other performances, but what do I know as a lowly Canadian.

    Bean’s usual accent is from Sheffield, in Yorkshire! It’s totally different. Worlds apart.

    That’s like an Englishman saying American and Canadian accents are identical.

    But what difference does that make to the accent of the the character in the film, which is fine and consistent?
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited June 2020 Posts: 5,131
    suavejmf wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Think GE has the weakest set of villains. Love Sean Bean usually, but he adopts such a silly accent here, like he is doing a bad impression of Noel Coward, that its hard to take him seriously, Onatopp is poor mans Fatima Blush, and Orlov, though starting off well in the pts, soon turns into a hip flask swigging buffoon!

    I have to fully disagree on this one. Bean's accent doesn't bother me. His villain gets to have one of the most close and interesting relationships with Bond of any in the series. He knows Bond better than any other villain, and it shows. Onatopp's energy and craziness is on a level above any other's when it comes to femme fatales, and she's uniquely challenging for Bond physically. Ourumov's turn from confidence to "flask swigging" is logical and interesting progression as it shows his character losing control and becoming scared while under pressure.

    Yep. The cast of characters in GE is one of the main reasons it's very high on my ranking. To me they make it a very fun film. Bean's accent/voice doesn't sound noticeably different from his normal voice / voice in other performances, but what do I know as a lowly Canadian.

    Bean’s usual accent is from Sheffield, in Yorkshire! It’s totally different. Worlds apart.

    That’s like an Englishman saying American and Canadian accents are identical.

    But what difference does that make to the accent of the the character in the film, which is fine and consistent?

    It doesn’t and Bean’s accent in the film was fine.

    The comment was “Bean's accent/voice doesn't sound noticeably different from his normal voice / voice in other performances”.

    That’s not true....Sheffield against ‘quintessential posh’ is worlds apart.

    This highlights the point that Canadians (or other nationalities) can’t spot an English accent (fake or not).....and they really can’t. This comment was that Sheffield is the same as say Chelsea.

    This is totally understandable. But it’s one of the reasons why I personally believe Bond/ British characters should always be played by a Brit actor.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Think GE has the weakest set of villains. Love Sean Bean usually, but he adopts such a silly accent here, like he is doing a bad impression of Noel Coward, that its hard to take him seriously, Onatopp is poor mans Fatima Blush, and Orlov, though starting off well in the pts, soon turns into a hip flask swigging buffoon!

    I have to fully disagree on this one. Bean's accent doesn't bother me. His villain gets to have one of the most close and interesting relationships with Bond of any in the series. He knows Bond better than any other villain, and it shows. Onatopp's energy and craziness is on a level above any other's when it comes to femme fatales, and she's uniquely challenging for Bond physically. Ourumov's turn from confidence to "flask swigging" is logical and interesting progression as it shows his character losing control and becoming scared while under pressure.

    Yep. The cast of characters in GE is one of the main reasons it's very high on my ranking. To me they make it a very fun film. Bean's accent/voice doesn't sound noticeably different from his normal voice / voice in other performances, but what do I know as a lowly Canadian.

    Bean’s usual accent is from Sheffield, in Yorkshire! It’s totally different. Worlds apart.

    That’s like an Englishman saying American and Canadian accents are identical.

    But what difference does that make to the accent of the the character in the film, which is fine and consistent?

    It doesn’t and Bean’s accent in the film was fine.

    The comment was “Bean's accent/voice doesn't sound noticeably different from his normal voice / voice in other performances”.

    That’s not true....Sheffield against ‘quintessential posh’ is worlds apart.

    This highlights the point that Canadians (or other nationalities) can’t spot an English accent (fake or not).....and they really can’t. This comment was that Sheffield is the same as say Chelsea.

    Sorry - I thought we were still carrying on from the accent being weird. My mistake!
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited June 2020 Posts: 5,131
    suavejmf wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Think GE has the weakest set of villains. Love Sean Bean usually, but he adopts such a silly accent here, like he is doing a bad impression of Noel Coward, that its hard to take him seriously, Onatopp is poor mans Fatima Blush, and Orlov, though starting off well in the pts, soon turns into a hip flask swigging buffoon!

    I have to fully disagree on this one. Bean's accent doesn't bother me. His villain gets to have one of the most close and interesting relationships with Bond of any in the series. He knows Bond better than any other villain, and it shows. Onatopp's energy and craziness is on a level above any other's when it comes to femme fatales, and she's uniquely challenging for Bond physically. Ourumov's turn from confidence to "flask swigging" is logical and interesting progression as it shows his character losing control and becoming scared while under pressure.

    Yep. The cast of characters in GE is one of the main reasons it's very high on my ranking. To me they make it a very fun film. Bean's accent/voice doesn't sound noticeably different from his normal voice / voice in other performances, but what do I know as a lowly Canadian.

    Bean’s usual accent is from Sheffield, in Yorkshire! It’s totally different. Worlds apart.

    That’s like an Englishman saying American and Canadian accents are identical.

    But what difference does that make to the accent of the the character in the film, which is fine and consistent?

    It doesn’t and Bean’s accent in the film was fine.

    The comment was “Bean's accent/voice doesn't sound noticeably different from his normal voice / voice in other performances”.

    That’s not true....Sheffield against ‘quintessential posh’ is worlds apart.

    This highlights the point that Canadians (or other nationalities) can’t spot an English accent (fake or not).....and they really can’t. This comment was that Sheffield is the same as say Chelsea.

    Sorry - I thought we were still carrying on from the accent being weird. My mistake!

    No worries. No, I can’t see any issue with Bean’s ‘posh accent’. He’s a decent actor.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited June 2020 Posts: 7,546
    suavejmf wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Think GE has the weakest set of villains. Love Sean Bean usually, but he adopts such a silly accent here, like he is doing a bad impression of Noel Coward, that its hard to take him seriously, Onatopp is poor mans Fatima Blush, and Orlov, though starting off well in the pts, soon turns into a hip flask swigging buffoon!

    I have to fully disagree on this one. Bean's accent doesn't bother me. His villain gets to have one of the most close and interesting relationships with Bond of any in the series. He knows Bond better than any other villain, and it shows. Onatopp's energy and craziness is on a level above any other's when it comes to femme fatales, and she's uniquely challenging for Bond physically. Ourumov's turn from confidence to "flask swigging" is logical and interesting progression as it shows his character losing control and becoming scared while under pressure.

    Yep. The cast of characters in GE is one of the main reasons it's very high on my ranking. To me they make it a very fun film. Bean's accent/voice doesn't sound noticeably different from his normal voice / voice in other performances, but what do I know as a lowly Canadian.

    Bean’s usual accent is from Sheffield, in Yorkshire! It’s totally different. Worlds apart.

    That’s like an Englishman saying American and Canadian accents are identical.

    But what difference does that make to the accent of the the character in the film, which is fine and consistent?

    It doesn’t and Bean’s accent in the film was fine.

    The comment was “Bean's accent/voice doesn't sound noticeably different from his normal voice / voice in other performances”.

    That’s not true....Sheffield against ‘quintessential posh’ is worlds apart.

    This highlights the point that Canadians (or other nationalities) can’t spot an English accent (fake or not).....and they really can’t. This comment was that Sheffield is the same as say Chelsea.

    This is totally understandable. But it’s one of the reasons why I personally believe Bond/ British characters should always be played by a Brit actor.

    So sorry for my inferiority. There, there's something Canadians can do! Apologize!
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Think GE has the weakest set of villains. Love Sean Bean usually, but he adopts such a silly accent here, like he is doing a bad impression of Noel Coward, that its hard to take him seriously, Onatopp is poor mans Fatima Blush, and Orlov, though starting off well in the pts, soon turns into a hip flask swigging buffoon!

    I have to fully disagree on this one. Bean's accent doesn't bother me. His villain gets to have one of the most close and interesting relationships with Bond of any in the series. He knows Bond better than any other villain, and it shows. Onatopp's energy and craziness is on a level above any other's when it comes to femme fatales, and she's uniquely challenging for Bond physically. Ourumov's turn from confidence to "flask swigging" is logical and interesting progression as it shows his character losing control and becoming scared while under pressure.

    Yep. The cast of characters in GE is one of the main reasons it's very high on my ranking. To me they make it a very fun film. Bean's accent/voice doesn't sound noticeably different from his normal voice / voice in other performances, but what do I know as a lowly Canadian.

    Bean’s usual accent is from Sheffield, in Yorkshire! It’s totally different. Worlds apart.

    That’s like an Englishman saying American and Canadian accents are identical.

    But what difference does that make to the accent of the the character in the film, which is fine and consistent?

    It doesn’t and Bean’s accent in the film was fine.

    The comment was “Bean's accent/voice doesn't sound noticeably different from his normal voice / voice in other performances”.

    That’s not true....Sheffield against ‘quintessential posh’ is worlds apart.

    This highlights the point that Canadians (or other nationalities) can’t spot an English accent (fake or not).....and they really can’t. This comment was that Sheffield is the same as say Chelsea.

    This is totally understandable. But it’s one of the reasons why I personally believe Bond/ British characters should always be played by a Brit actor.

    So sorry for my inferiority. There, there's something Canadians can do! Apologize!

    I can’t tell the difference between American or Canadian accents, just as you can’t spot different Brit accents. It wasn’t meant as an insult at all. It’s totally understandable. Apologies, if it came across that way. I meant no disrespect.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    All good.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    All good.

    Thank you. Again, apologies.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’m American and I can’t hear how how different Canadians sound from us unless they’re French-Canadian.
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  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    For me at least, each consecutive film with the actor Brosnan or Craig gets worse. I’m not sure if that reflects more of myself or them as producers but perhaps they feel they need to put more effort into the films when they actually launch the actor and gradually lose interest and put the films on auto pilot?
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