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The "Problem Eliminator" Thread - Are Bond Films Getting Too Big?
Welcome to the MI6 Community debate room, Bond fans.
In this "Problem Eliminator" thread, we will discuss the more ridiculous Bond rumors as they come, and each user will analyze the evidence provided both for and against the argument, and then vote "For" or "Against". Each user is also encouraged to share any credible evidence they have available and each member should provide reasoning for their decision.
In this "Problem Eliminator" thread, we will discuss the more ridiculous Bond rumors as they come, and each user will analyze the evidence provided both for and against the argument, and then vote "For" or "Against". Each user is also encouraged to share any credible evidence they have available and each member should provide reasoning for their decision.
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The argument "For":
This has come to light due to a rumor Damien Lewis is a favorite to replace Craig in the Bond role. A new user, @dmwalker has now created an account to inform us that his "source" confirmed that Craig is out.
My argument "Against":
So my vote is:
0 For / 1 Against
It doesn't make sense financially, Craig's run has been well received even Quantum of Solace did well financially
It doesn't make sense physically Craig looks good and as long as he stays in shape could be bond for another decade if he really wanted too
It doesn't make sense artistically go to the leaks thread for my reasoning here but yeah
Plus he is contracted to bond 25
So against this rumor
DC will do Bond 25 (and maybe 26) for two reasons and two reasons only: 1. The money, especially if SP is as big an int'l hit as SF; and/or 2. He feels healthy enough to do so.
DC respects this role too much to "half ass" it. If he can't play the part as physically as he wants, he won't do it. Makes no difference that EON could line up as many stunt doubles as necessary. And forget the comparisons to Tom Cruise; DC is NOT Tom Cruise, who has kept himself in great shape for almost 30 years. DC has not and has been known to like his smokes and brews too much. Can't blame him for being human.
That said, I can't buy the Damian Lewis rumors. I have to think EON will go younger with the next Bond, even though I always thought some of the CR posters made DC look like Lewis:
Ultimately, I am against the rumor. I think DC gets offered more money than he can imagine to do Bond 25.
1) something happened DURING the film, that made the return impossible
2) it was agreed upon before filming, so Mendes returned.
So a contradiction right at the start.
Whatever happens, and I believe a lot will depend on the reception of this film, its not decided yet. 70/30 on him.returning from me.
By all means, how on earth can anybody even want this ginger as Bond, plus he is way too old. Really... [-(
Frankly, I'm partly glad the the issues with the leaks happened because ultimately it should serve as a lesson to Eon regarding their overseeing of the preproduction stages. I'm still shocked at how Logan was left unattended for so long only for him to submit a garbage script which in turn compromises time. Craig's casting was a massive coup but his era thus far, although on tge whole great, it's just a shame so much time has been lost. Anyway, with the characters involved in SP and how things play out, Craig will be back for Bond 25 at the very least. That I am certain of 100%.
He just is too well known, no he's not an A lister but Homeland was pretty high profile and I just don't see it. Like I don't see most of the options the bookies are saying, Hardy & Fassbender are just far too established.
As for SPECTRE being Craig's last? I hope not but if the man himself has had enough I'd rather he played the role when he's 100%, we don't want another disinterested actor playing Bond again.
Not going to happen for either of them.
Lol you're dreaming, mate.
We really need to slam the final nail in the coffin of the idea of Henry Cavill playing Bond. It's over, done, not happening. He's already established in the public eye as Superman and apparently is booked for at least 3 more movies as that character. That alone clinches it. EON are not going to share their Bond with a competing blockbuster series. They want their actor to be 100% identified as Bond, James Bond wherever he goes and for Bond to be the absolute top priority for their actor. That's something that is now impossible with Henry Cavill. (That's why I think its extremely likely that the next 007 will have had no or very few significant movie roles, or someone who has just had one indie attention-grabbing role like DC with Layer Cake).
The Man from UNCLE is the only time you'll ever see Henry play an Ian Fleming created spy.
While I hope you're right, we really don't know anything for sure.
Lewis came out of nowhere as a candidate, and that is interesting. He's a compelling actor, and I find him more plausible than a lot of the other characters that have been floated about.
DC may want to move on (he hasn't made a film since SF). If he does, he's certainly not going to broadcast it ahead of SP's release. That would be unprofessional, and he's nothing if not a consummate professional.
There are changes coming in terms of Bond distribution post-SP, and that can potentially shake up a lot of things.
So again, I'd like to agree with you and actually think you might be right, but I'm open to possibilities that we both could be wrong.
He's a real actor, not a movie star. The only thing he's done in the last 3 years is a play on Broadway (in which he was brilliant by the way....I saw it).
I think he took the role to do something meaningful with the character. Once he achieves that, I think he'll move on. Mendes could also have something to do with it (I have a strong feeling Craig will only do another one if Mendes is back). I don't think he'll want to make a standard Bond film (mission only). He wants depth. All 3 films so far have illustrated that and SP should be no different.
The co-distribution thing is the final spanner in the works. If that gets complex, I can easily see DC walking. He doesn't need Bond because I don't think he gives two sh!+$ about money/fame quite frankly.
Again, hopefully it's just rumour, which it probably is. I'm open to Lewis even though I'm sure that's just fanciful speculation. He is a good actor.
@Germanlady
The thread is an attempt to save the "Leaks" thread which has seen two pages already dedicated to this "source". Also it will cover future ridiculous arguments in an attempt to keep other discussion pure. You understand..
Oh, and I can add another:
Mendes to DC: i love you, my friend and I know, you love the role, but if I come back, you need to quit after that.
DC:Sure, whatever makes you happy. I can't live or breathe Bond without you anyway.
Thank you. Voice of reason, based on FACTS, we know.
again, very well put. we'll just have to wait and see. (oh, and just for the record, I'm not a fan of the Lewis option and I don't really find it realistic at all.)
Why so aggressive? What ticks your boxes so much?
In the end though, its what I will be exactly after DC is done, too. I would just word it a bit more friendly. No need to get a fit over it. B-)
@TripAces
I am curious where you got this bit of info and how you're so certain it is accurate.... because it was made public that after QOS, Daniel Craig had signed on for 3 additional films - that being Bond 23(Skyfall), Bond 24(Spectre), and Bond 25... now whether he has "out clauses" in his contract is anyone's guess - i'm sure something of the sort is in there... but his current contract does indeed run through Bond 25.
Craig's original contract was the standard 3 film deal (the same Pierce got) which would have came with the same per film agreements from then on out (just like Pierce did with DAD after TWINE)... once Craig signed his new contract, the old one became toilet paper essentially.
btw, i am AGAINST the rumor - because all the rumor is based off of is fan/media speculation and conjecture.... Craig returns for Bond 25 - from then on out it's up in the air, but i'd even be willing to bet he comes back for a 6th, then hangs it up.. EON has their most successful Bond in franchise history, and there isn't another CR situation up on the horizon where they would want to reboot and start over (as everyone seems to think will happen when Craig quits).. EON will try and keep Craig around for as long as they possibly can.
Connery was 41
Lazenby 30
Moore 58
Dalton 43?
Brosnan 49
Craig 47 currently.
I believe he's contracted for one more then it's open contract. Might be getting a bit older after Bond 25, at the rate the films are coming out these days