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Unless someone can show me otherwise, their rationale/justification applies to incestuous and polygamous relationships as well. The only difference is that it is not culturally acceptable yet.
That is completely different from how I may feel about the activity itself.
I can assure you, in 20 odd years, someone will want to marry an artificial robot because he/she loves it. The robot may be able to 'love' back too. That will will be an interesting discussion to have.
This is an interesting read on the inherent corruption of democracy by money:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Democracy-Money-Investigative-Globalization/dp/1841197149
Just as the ruling will not encourage more people to engage in incestuous or polygamous relationships. Those things have always gone on will continue to with or without the ruling. If such relationships are headed for the altar, then the courts can decide if they are acceptable or not. The idea that the ruling now means anything goes is typical of the fear mongering that is continually used by bigots. Equating homosexuality and same sex marriage as some kind of perversion is itself a perversion. None of us chose our sexual orientation any more than we had a choice about our sex, eye color, or height. No one says, "I think I'll be gay because the bigotry I'll face will be fun."
As a heterosexual, it is all but impossible for me to understand same sex attraction. But then I find it equally challenging to understand conservatism and a belief in God. And so I accept those things, even if I don't understand them. And yes, I have good friends who are gay, conservative, and have a deep and abiding faith -- in some cases, all wrapped into one. Can I be offended by homosexuals? Absolutely! Just as I can by anyone of any sex, orientation, or political and philosophical persuasion. I have yet to find that place on the planet where everyone is exactly like me.
In the end, the constitution wasn't hijacked and democracy hasn't gone to hell in a hand basket. All that happened is that same sex couple next door who have been living together for years now have a document granting them the legal status enjoyed
by their married neighbors.
Don't give them any ideas, just in case.
Certainly not, when you put it like that. Give me liberal democracy over those or any other alternative one can conceive any day.
Wow, pretty amazing to be able to do that at Pinewood studios. Congratulations!
congrats!
And, I might add, what a venue!
congratulations to the couple.
The United States of America is not a democracy.
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
However, in my opinion, it is relatively falling behind other countries very fast. If you look at India, China, Russia, Brazil, etc., these countries are liberalizing quite quickly (yes, even Russia, even under Putin, is far more liberal than it was 25 yrs ago).
Also, to be honest, I think one has more freedoms (of expression, of action, of thought, to criticize those in power and the government) in the UK than one does for all intents and purposes in the US/Canada. That was not something I felt when I was younger.
I agree that I would prefer not to live in a nationalist autocracy or a theocracy......but I would prefer not to live in a corporatist society or neo-corporatism either, which effectively is the US situation currently.
It is its relative decline (socially, financially, intellectually/education wise/common sense wise, leadership wise, and liberally) that troubles me. Other countries are catching up in these fields while the US is regressing, despite the recent Supreme Court decision.
Exactly. Utopias are just that, utopias. Another fancy word for fantasy. No nation is perfectly free or perfectly democratic.
Indeed, rather true democracy is something that nations work towards perfecting. Some nations are further along that scale than others however...
The US is becoming less and less democratic nowadays...
And that's the whole point I want to make. Thank you @Sark. I mean come on guys. Let's face that fact a bit more often, before we slam our own states until it really hurts the democracy.
Let's not pretend the USA is just as democratic and good as countries like Switzerland, Denmark or Canada! Recommended reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
This is the part I don't quite agree with. Sure, we do ok compared to the rest of the world. We know that. It's stating the obvious. It has always been so.
What is not so obvious is that we are in relative decline (freedom wise) compared to other nations, and it precisely because we are increasingly less able to speak our minds freely without consequence.
Slamming our own states is fundamental to living in a democracy. It is what makes it thrive and improve. As I've said, I'm all for the Bradley Mannings, Edward Snowdens and Julian Assanges of the world. More power to them, in order to help our democracy survive and be accountable..
That's why I posted below pictures/images on the first page of this topic. Is the USA as good as....Denmark or Switzerland....democratically? No:
So, name a few states that are "better" in that sense then. And also a few that are "worse" in that sense. There are 196 countries on Earth you know. I am from The Netherlands, but I live in Spain. I try to think like this: Although the USA still has a long way to go, I can sum up like 140 countries in which you would be worse off than the USA.
But look at the countries that are below the USA.
Yes, countries sometimes move backwards too sadly.
Ironic then that in the US we are conidered to be 'socialists'... And we know of course that socialism automatically equals uncivilized, undemocratic vandalism... ;)
The US is about 50 years behind the UK politically, hence anything that seeks to help ordinary people in the richest nation in the world is immediately shot down as being "socialism."
To be sure, America is a great nation with much to offer. But I have traveled a fair amount in Europe, and other than smaller homes with smaller appliances and perhaps oddly placed hot water heaters, I don't find much lacking as compared to the U.S. The U.S. can't even come close to European mass transit.
Having moved to the U.S. from the U.K. when I was a kid, I don't get all caught up in this love of country stuff. I'm not into idolatry of countries, Gods, or even James Bond for that matter. I do not need to continually assert my nationality. I am a good
American, not a zealot.
I don't see the U.S. as regressing as much as I see a very vocal far right wing attempting
to cast a much wider net. I get tired of their noise and their fear.
At this point in my life, my concern is for my kids and grandchildren. I want for them an environmentally friendly world, one in which middle class kids can live comfortably, one in which the country they live in is not continually declaring war, and where they
have an expectation they can live healthy and productive lives without living under
an umbrella of fear.
If all this sounds terribly idealistic, well, I am a product of the sixties. Things may not have turned out as we hoped they would, but we had dreams and hallucinations.
To get back on topic, it is a little bit more today than it was yesterday.
I think equality in front of the law is an essential issue. Social issues are not mere distractions! And how society and justice is run, how we behave as citizens towards one another influences other issues, such as economic ones.
Yes, it definitely seems like they keep retreading the same old stuff over and over again and it distracts from the larger issues facing the country (like income inequality, fewer well paying jobs and lack of opportunity for instance).
Hopefully we're done with this topic, as well as Obamacare (approved by the Supreme Court) and abortion for now....
Screw all that, I'm an Uhmurkin! I want the latest news on how big Kim Kardashian's butt is & whether Bruce really had it cut all the way off...
:))