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"Die Another Day" was the last true Bond movie.

uperduperuperduper
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The Craig movies have been way too serious and grounded in reality. Bond was NEVER meant to be so realistic. The new bonds are a lot more emotionally driven, they lack the fun movie going experience that a movie like Die another Day offered.
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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Is this some kind of sick joke? I'm speechless at these remarks....
  • ohfilms1ohfilms1
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    uperduper wrote:
    The Craig movies have been way too serious and grounded in reality. Bond was NEVER meant to be so realistic. The new bonds are a lot more emotionally driven, they lack the fun movie going experience that a movie like Die another Day offered.
    Well... Someone hasn't read any Fleming stories...

  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    Yes, and batman and robin was the last true batman movie. Clooney should have won the Oscar for it. And Joel Schumacher should get a lifetime achievement award
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    The Craig movies have been way too serious and grounded in reality. Bond was NEVER meant to be so realistic. The new bonds are a lot more emotionally driven, they lack the fun movie going experience that a movie like Die another Day offered.

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  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    I have never read any Fleming novels and maybe never will. For me the original Bond is the one we saw in Dr. No and From Russia With Love, and I believe those two movies should be the template for anyone who wants to direct a Bond film. Casino Royale is much closer to those two films than any Bond film between 1970 and 2005. So no, DAD was not the last true Bond film.

    Having said that, I do like DAD. One of the things I love most about the Bond franchise is the variety. MR and LTK couldn't be more different from each other, and I like it that way.
  • dinovelvetdinovelvet
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    I know when I think "true Bond", I recall that classic scene where an invisible Aston Martin is racing around an ice castle that's being melted from space by a diamond-powered laser created by a Korean who turned into an Englishman as an albino in a Jag armed with a battering ram gives chase.

  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    ohfilms1 wrote: »
    uperduper wrote:
    The Craig movies have been way too serious and grounded in reality. Bond was NEVER meant to be so realistic. The new bonds are a lot more emotionally driven, they lack the fun movie going experience that a movie like Die another Day offered.
    Well... Someone hasn't read any Fleming stories...

    To be fair while the Fleming stories had a very serious tone and were realistic in some ways (such as Bond's character and the impact his missions have on him), the plots were sometimes just as OTT as some of the older films. An obstacle course of death and giant squid, a short man with a gold fetish trying to rob Fort Knox, a Nazi trying to blow up London with a nuke, etc. Fleming's novels jumped the shark in terms of realism when he wrote MR. I think the thing that was great about Fleming was that he could take these bizarre colourful characters and OTT plots and make them seem plausible.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Dude, Skyfall was the last true Bond movie. DAD is the last Bond movie that appealed to YOU. End of my input here.
  • Ottofuse8Ottofuse8
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    uperduper wrote:
    The Craig movies have been way too serious and grounded in reality. Bond was NEVER meant to be so realistic. The new bonds are a lot more emotionally driven, they lack the fun movie going experience that a movie like Die another Day offered.

    Couldn't disagree more. Neither could the vast majority of the fan base, I believe.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    uperduper wrote:
    The Craig movies have been way too serious and grounded in reality. Bond was NEVER meant to be so realistic. The new bonds are a lot more emotionally driven, they lack the fun movie going experience that a movie like Die another Day offered.

    Dear moderators? As I am also posting frequently in the James Bond- and SPECTRE-forum on IMDB, I can almost certainly say that this "new forummember" uses another nickname on IMDB, namely: "acdc-1989".

    As there are no moderators on IMDB, he is considered one of the biggest trollers on planet IMDB :-). Especially a troller who severely hates everything that has Daniel Craig in it.

    I therefore suggest to block his entire profile, and keep an eye on any new forummembers, that have a similar posting style as "uperduper" or "acdc-1989"

    Thank you :-)
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I wouldn't use the term "jump the shark" for what Fleming did in MOONRAKER. I see what your point is and that was a jump in scope and earthiness, but that term usual has a negative connotation, and it generally signals the downward turn of whatever endeavor it is applied to. Fleming was just taking off, at that time.

    True maybe I used the wrong wording there, I didn't mean to imply the novels got weaker after MR, far from it (my favourite is actually YOLT), I just meant that MR was the turning point from more grounded stories to the bigger, more OTT plots.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Guys, he's a troll. Just ignore it
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
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    Uperduper got the responses he was looking for.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    @PanchitoPistoles , why no interest in the source material if you are such a fan of the films that most closely follow the template?
    I certainly have never heard of anyone regretting giving the novels a go.

    I do have an interest in the source material, it's just that there are too many books I want to read, and there isn't enough time.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    uperduper wrote:
    The Craig movies have been way too serious and grounded in reality. Bond was NEVER meant to be so realistic. The new bonds are a lot more emotionally driven, they lack the fun movie going experience that a movie like Die another Day offered.

    So you've never seen Doctor No or From Russia With Love then. Even films like For Your Eyes Only and Licence To Kill have a more serious realistic tone.
    The thing about James Bond and Bond fans in general is that it is such a diverse subject, with a diverse set of fans.
    Books
    Films
    Games
    Some fans like the books, but are not so keen on many of the films.
    Some fans like the films, but don't like the books.
    Some fans like the Fleming books but not the continuation novels.
    Some fans like certain films, by certain actors, but not all of the films.
    The thing is, there is no right or wrong answer to being a Bond fan.
    One thing that you will find though, is if you continue to be negative on every aspect of the Craig films, and in your posts in general, you'll find members will not respond to you in a positive way.
    No two Bond fans are the same, we're not expecting that. But there's no need for all out hostility all the time whatever your opinion.

  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    I have never read any Fleming novels and maybe never will.

    Well, that explains many things.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @uperduper makes himself rather suspicious by posting this nonsense.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    That's what I said. I hope moderators have read my comment.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    Walecs wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    I have never read any Fleming novels and maybe never will.

    Well, that explains many things.

    Care to elaborate?
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I don't know what @uperduper's motives are, but DAD is the last Bond film that I think feels like a Bond film. I don't get the sense that they were ashamed to make a Bond film.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    In DAD they actually shot the gunbarrel sequence with a bullet. Ever since then it's been scared to show up at the beginning...
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Well if DAD is them not being ashamed to make a Bond film then I hope they continued to be utterly embarrassed as long as we don't get a load of bollocks nonsense like that again.

  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    It's the bond most likely to have been directed by Joel Schumacher, but wasn't
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    ThomasCrown76 wrote: »
    It's the bond most likely to have been directed by Joel Schumacher, but wasn't

    :))
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Other than the title track, and the Madonna cameo, the first half of DAD is very good, imo.
  • PerdoggPerdogg
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    I actually thought the PTS was good. From there it is all down hill.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Why are we all wasting our time here? Obviously the Bond films evolve with the times in preference of the larger audience, recruiting new set of fans with each film. Sure, we all have our likes and dislikes, and I am one of those who prefer DAD to SF, but heck, let's leave it alone, shall we? The original poster didn't even bother to reply to a topic he created, and look at the result... he provided us with a distraction from the serious thinkering. Like GG said, this topic deserves a permanent lockdown.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    I have never read any Fleming novels and maybe never will.

    Well, that explains many things.

    Care to elaborate?

    Several statements of yours which I don't agree with
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Perdogg wrote: »
    I actually thought the PTS was good. From there it is all down hill.

    Personally, I thought Moon kicking the living crap out of his anger mgt therapist in the bag was the highlight of the pretitles.....and the opening surf scene. I could do without the customary (for that era) running around, machine gun fire & blowing things up...

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