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When James Bond 007 had an 'off' moment.....

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  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
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    echo wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    DAD- Not being able to tell his gun wasn't loaded!!!
    -Sleeping with Jinx after she ripped off Ursula
    -Not killing Jinx

    QoS- In Bregenz when Bond finds out his credit cards are cancelled, he tells the woman at the service desk that she will be getting a phone call. He tells her to say he is head to Cairo. Why??

    It's just misdirection.

    But that wouldn't be necessary as MI-6 could rastreate Bond anyway.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    echo wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    DAD- Not being able to tell his gun wasn't loaded!!!
    -Sleeping with Jinx after she ripped off Ursula
    -Not killing Jinx

    QoS- In Bregenz when Bond finds out his credit cards are cancelled, he tells the woman at the service desk that she will be getting a phone call. He tells her to say he is head to Cairo. Why??

    It's just misdirection.
    I quite frankly disappointed. It was played up to be a clever moment.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @X3MSonicX, not sure what you meant by 'rastreate', but he did it to make them think he was trying to head to Cairo, in case they decided to follow or get another man to watch him from the airport. Instead, he books it to meet Mathis.
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @X3MSonicX, not sure what you meant by 'rastreate', but he did it to make them think he was trying to head to Cairo, in case they decided to follow or get another man to watch him from the airport. Instead, he books it to meet Mathis.

    sorry for the misspelling, but with 'rastreate' i meant 'track' Bond. But now i've understood it :)
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @X3MSonicX, not sure what you meant by 'rastreate', but he did it to make them think he was trying to head to Cairo, in case they decided to follow or get another man to watch him from the airport. Instead, he books it to meet Mathis.

    Off topic, I'm really sorry, but it's good to see you again Creasy! Welcome back my man!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Thanks, @00Beast, nice to hear from you! Glad to see we were both nominated in the 'Biggest Brosnan Fan' category, and congratulations on 2,000 posts!

    @X3MSonicX, it's fine, I totally understand.

    As for me, I think Bond was 'off' - obviously - when Craig orders the vodka martini in CR, and replies to the bartender with "Do I look like I give a damn?" After hearing the iconic "Shaken, not stirred." line so many times, it's a nice twist to see him in such a vulnerable state that he honestly does not care what he drinks.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Thanks, @00Beast, nice to hear from you! Glad to see we were both nominated in the 'Biggest Brosnan Fan' category, and congratulations on 2,000 posts!

    @X3MSonicX, it's fine, I totally understand.

    As for me, I think Bond was 'off' - obviously - when Craig orders the vodka martini in CR, and replies to the bartender with "Do I look like I give a damn?" After hearing the iconic "Shaken, not stirred." line so many times, it's a nice twist to see him in such a vulnerable state that he honestly does not care what he drinks.

    Thanks man! It was hard work to get 2,000! Hahaha. And yes, that Biggest Brosnan Fan category is a real treat!
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @X3MSonicX, it's fine, I totally understand.

    As for me, I think Bond was 'off' - obviously - when Craig orders the vodka martini in CR, and replies to the bartender with "Do I look like I give a damn?" After hearing the iconic "Shaken, not stirred." line so many times, it's a nice twist to see him in such a vulnerable state that he honestly does not care what he drinks.

    ;)
    Oh well, i didn't understand that part. Because he didn't even DRANK the drink. It was unecessary, imo :/
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @X3MSonicX, first off, if anyone thinks I'm wrong with this, let me know, because I may be getting my scene orders mixed up. Anyway, when he ordered it, he didn't care whether it was shaken or stirred because he just lost, and after speaking with Vesper, she wouldn't give him the money to buy back in, so he was virtually at a loss, and as she stated earlier on the train, he had directly financed terrorism at that point.

    As the bartender was making the martini, he saw Le Chiffre and his crew heading toward the exit, in which I guessed that Bond surmised they were going to escape, which he made the decision to give chase and stop them. Only then does Jeffrey Wright reveal himself to be Felix Leiter, and he gives him the buy back money.
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
    edited April 2012 Posts: 2,635
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @X3MSonicX, first off, if anyone thinks I'm wrong with this, let me know, because I may be getting my scene orders mixed up. Anyway, when he ordered it, he didn't care whether it was shaken or stirred because he just lost, and after speaking with Vesper, she wouldn't give him the money to buy back in, so he was virtually at a loss, and as she stated earlier on the train, he had directly financed terrorism at that point.

    As the bartender was making the martini, he saw Le Chiffre and his crew heading toward the exit, in which I guessed that Bond surmised they were going to escape, which he made the decision to give chase and stop them. Only then does Jeffrey Wright reveal himself to be Felix Leiter, and he gives him the buy back money.

    Oh yes.. Actually i didn't remember that part, sadly. But now i remembered and that does makes sense, really... Thanks.
    I wonder how Felix would feel IF Bond had lost it all after the back money.
    Or even the own MI-6.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @X3MSonicX, you're very welcome.

    Good point, though I'm sure it wouldn't have affected him, money-wise. Bond goes on to win over $100 million, and prior to this, when asked about the winnings, Felix asks him if it looks like he really needs it. Obviously, $5 million is nothing to him and the CIA, but he would have just had to devise a new plan to stop/capture Le Chiffre.

    But see, what I don't get is how did Le Chiffre manage to nab Vesper and escape? After Bond wins, he still needed time to go to the restaurant, buy it out (from what I could tell, anyway, excluding the people waiting outside), order the food, and eat it. Right after Bond wins, Leiter takes off, as if he is going to apprehend Le Chiffre, then and now. So what stopped him from doing so?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @X3MSonicX, you're very welcome.

    Good point, though I'm sure it wouldn't have affected him, money-wise. Bond goes on to win over $100 million, and prior to this, when asked about the winnings, Felix asks him if it looks like he really needs it. Obviously, $5 million is nothing to him and the CIA, but he would have just had to devise a new plan to stop/capture Le Chiffre.

    But see, what I don't get is how did Le Chiffre manage to nab Vesper and escape? After Bond wins, he still needed time to go to the restaurant, buy it out (from what I could tell, anyway, excluding the people waiting outside), order the food, and eat it. Right after Bond wins, Leiter takes off, as if he is going to apprehend Le Chiffre, then and now. So what stopped him from doing so?

    All Le Chiffre did was text like he was Mathis saying to come and meet. In the novel Bond knows it isn't Mathis when he realizes Mathis would meet face to face. In the film I don't think there was much nabbing. Either Vesper really did get tricked or she went with Le Chiffre because he was Quantum as well. If the Bond of the film knew what the Bond of the novel did about Le Chiffre, why does he still have Mathis taken away at the clinic?? That is the thing that bugs me. And maybe Felix and his colleagues at Langley were going to tail Le Chiffre to a point where they could take him in secret. I love dissecting my favorite Bond film, so let's keep this rolling.
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    ...Obviously, $5 million is nothing to him and the CIA, but he would have just had to devise a new plan to stop/capture Le Chiffre.

    Obviously, they would go to the Plan B: Assassination. OR the alternative: Kidnapping.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Back on topic: Bond declaring a "stirred, not shaken" martini "perfect" in YOLT.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062512/faq#.2.1.8
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    I thought that was a deliberate error from the film makers, i.e. Henderson intentionally said that, rather than the actor getting his lines mixed up and they decided to keep it in. I've never had a problem with it as I merely thought it was a scene of intentional humor, not that they actually made a mistake with it and kept it in. I do think Charles Gray should never have returned as the worst Blofeld in Diamonds four years after either
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Benny wrote:
    X3MSonicX wrote:
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    Fixing his tie underwater on the River Thames, The World Is Not Enough

    That was Brosnan's idea, and was very Bondish.

    No, that was very Brosnanish.
    Yes, I just want to say again I really liked that moment; really Bond for me. But our opinions will vary of course.
  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @X3MSonicX, you're very welcome.

    Good point, though I'm sure it wouldn't have affected him, money-wise. Bond goes on to win over $100 million, and prior to this, when asked about the winnings, Felix asks him if it looks like he really needs it. Obviously, $5 million is nothing to him and the CIA, but he would have just had to devise a new plan to stop/capture Le Chiffre.

    But see, what I don't get is how did Le Chiffre manage to nab Vesper and escape? After Bond wins, he still needed time to go to the restaurant, buy it out (from what I could tell, anyway, excluding the people waiting outside), order the food, and eat it. Right after Bond wins, Leiter takes off, as if he is going to apprehend Le Chiffre, then and now. So what stopped him from doing so?

    All Le Chiffre did was text like he was Mathis saying to come and meet. In the novel Bond knows it isn't Mathis when he realizes Mathis would meet face to face. In the film I don't think there was much nabbing. Either Vesper really did get tricked or she went with Le Chiffre because he was Quantum as well. If the Bond of the film knew what the Bond of the novel did about Le Chiffre, why does he still have Mathis taken away at the clinic?? That is the thing that bugs me. And maybe Felix and his colleagues at Langley were going to tail Le Chiffre to a point where they could take him in secret. I love dissecting my favorite Bond film, so let's keep this rolling.

    To this day I still don't know how bond suddenly realises something isn't right after vesper has received that text an she has left, and I still don't get why le Chiffre says to bond "my friend mathis" when we find out he is innocent, what was Mathis ment To have done? Kidnapp vesper? If so why?
  • UnivexUnivex
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    I blame all his actions in DAD on PTS - Post Traumatic Stress. He wasn´t himself I´d say ;)
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
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    DCisared wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @X3MSonicX, you're very welcome.

    Good point, though I'm sure it wouldn't have affected him, money-wise. Bond goes on to win over $100 million, and prior to this, when e food, and eat it. Right after Bond wins, Leiter takes off, as if he is going to apprehend Le Chiffre, then and now. So what stopped him from doing so?

    All Le Chiffre did was text like he was Mathis saying to comasked about the winnings, Felix asks him if it looks like he really needs it. Obviously, $5 million is nothing to him and the CIA, but he would have just had to devise a new plan to stop/capture Le Chiffre.

    But see, what I don't get is how did Le Chiffre manage to nab Vesper and escape? After Bond wins, he still needed time to go to the restaurant, buy it out (from what I could tell, anyway, excluding the people waiting outside), order the and meet. In the novel Bond knows it isn't Mathis when he realizes Mathis would meet face to face. In the film I don't think there was much nabbing. Either Vesper really did get tricked or she went with Le Chiffre because he was Quantum as well. If the Bond of the film knew what the Bond of the novel did about Le Chiffre, why does he still have Mathis taken away at the clinic?? That is the thing that bugs me. And maybe Felix and his colleagues at Langley were going to tail Le Chiffre to a point where they could take him in secret. I love dissecting my favorite Bond film, so let's keep this rolling.

    To this day I still don't know how bond suddenly realises something isn't right after vesper has received that text an she has left, and I still don't get why le Chiffre says to bond "my friend mathis" when we find out he is innocent, what was Mathis ment To have done? Kidnapp vesper? If so why?

    It´s funny that CR is so hailed for the plot, when there are severe plot holes, like those above. Things like these don´t really disturb me, but should disturb others who blame masterpieces like TMWTGG for having a badly written plot. A comparison: If TMWTGG is Mount Everest, CR is a very small bug.

  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    I thought that was a deliberate error from the film makers, i.e. Henderson intentionally said that, rather than the actor getting his lines mixed up and they decided to keep it in. I've never had a problem with it as I merely thought it was a scene of intentional humor, not that they actually made a mistake with it and kept it in. I do think Charles Gray should never have returned as the worst Blofeld in Diamonds four years after either

    That was the spin. According to the audio commentary, it was a mistake.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    007RogerMoore wrote:
    DCisared wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @X3MSonicX, you're very welcome.

    Good point, though I'm sure it wouldn't have affected him, money-wise. Bond goes on to win over $100 million, and prior to this, when e food, and eat it. Right after Bond wins, Leiter takes off, as if he is going to apprehend Le Chiffre, then and now. So what stopped him from doing so?

    All Le Chiffre did was text like he was Mathis saying to comasked about the winnings, Felix asks him if it looks like he really needs it. Obviously, $5 million is nothing to him and the CIA, but he would have just had to devise a new plan to stop/capture Le Chiffre.

    But see, what I don't get is how did Le Chiffre manage to nab Vesper and escape? After Bond wins, he still needed time to go to the restaurant, buy it out (from what I could tell, anyway, excluding the people waiting outside), order the and meet. In the novel Bond knows it isn't Mathis when he realizes Mathis would meet face to face. In the film I don't think there was much nabbing. Either Vesper really did get tricked or she went with Le Chiffre because he was Quantum as well. If the Bond of the film knew what the Bond of the novel did about Le Chiffre, why does he still have Mathis taken away at the clinic?? That is the thing that bugs me. And maybe Felix and his colleagues at Langley were going to tail Le Chiffre to a point where they could take him in secret. I love dissecting my favorite Bond film, so let's keep this rolling.

    To this day I still don't know how bond suddenly realises something isn't right after vesper has received that text an she has left, and I still don't get why le Chiffre says to bond "my friend mathis" when we find out he is innocent, what was Mathis ment To have done? Kidnapp vesper? If so why?

    It´s funny that CR is so hailed for the plot, when there are severe plot holes, like those above. Things like these don´t really disturb me, but should disturb others who blame masterpieces like TMWTGG for having a badly written plot. A comparison: If TMWTGG is Mount Everest, CR is a very small bug.

    They aren't plot holes, just moments of uncertainty. This is very likely a simple reason why Bond thinks what he thinks, and the only thing that I don't understand is why Bond thinks Mathis is involved. Like I've said, I think Bond knows Mathis would only do a face to face meeting, so Bond gets worried, runs, and sees Vesper being taken. He is probably thinking Mathis is involved, and connects it with Le Chiffre knowing that Bond was aware of his tell, surmising that Mathis was a traitor. Bond gives chase, wrecks, and Le Chiffre plants the bug further that Mathis is one their side. When Bond recovers later he still has this in his head, and has Mathis taken away. A plot hole is where there is absolutely no way to explain it, like how Moon got his full reconstructive surgery in just 14 months, as well as the fact that Bond didn't even try to get out of there the entire time, as well as why MI6 didn't get after him faster.
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
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    I agree that "plot holes" is not the proper definition. It´s the same in TMWTGG when Hip drives away from Bond. It is possible that he got a blackout or that he was so stressed that he just drove away.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    007RogerMoore wrote:
    I agree that "plot holes" is not the proper definition. It´s the same in TMWTGG when Hip drives away from Bond. It is possible that he got a blackout or that he was so stressed that he just drove away.

    Oh my goodness, this one drives me crazy every time I watch it. Seriously Hip? Nice way to leave your ally in danger!
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
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    00Beast wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    I agree that "plot holes" is not the proper definition. It´s the same in TMWTGG when Hip drives away from Bond. It is possible that he got a blackout or that he was so stressed that he just drove away.

    Oh my goodness, this one drives me crazy every time I watch it. Seriously Hip? Nice way to leave your ally in danger!

    i saw that scene in a short video. maybe it was just a way to get the movie longer, so they could show Bond escaping from the enemies.
  • MartinBondMartinBond Trying not to muck it up again
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    A tiny little thing where I go "eh?" is in Daylights, when Bond goes after what he thinks is Necros. I can see the chase, but why pull out your gun in a crowded amusement park if you know the man (you think) you are chasing is very dangerous? If it had been necros it could have been a sad night out...
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    MartinBond wrote:
    A tiny little thing where I go "eh?" is in Daylights, when Bond goes after what he thinks is Necros. I can see the chase, but why pull out your gun in a crowded amusement park if you know the man (you think) you are chasing is very dangerous? If it had been necros it could have been a sad night out...

    Because Timothy Dalton is a badass who doesn't care ;)
  • MartinBondMartinBond Trying not to muck it up again
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    thelivingroyale wrote:

    Because Timothy Dalton is a badass who doesn't care ;)

    :)) Agreed

    Moving on:

    Why does Bond kneel behind the Aston while it's invisible?

    Oh, and one of the most famous ones: why does Bond hit Felix in the stomach for trying to say 007 and then says it himself in the bathroom - where the gangster is hiding?!
  • slyfoxslyfox
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    FromCanadaWithLove wrote:
    How about in Quantum, when he decided to repaint his DBS and change his suit before the baddies came after him (before the movie started).

    The suit, ok, but the car was completely new. You didn't even see it at the end of CR.

    An off-moment for me is in OQS when after throwing the guy off the roof in Austria, M accuses Bond of shooting the guy at point blank and Bond doesn't deny this or even question it. Grrrrrrrrrr.
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
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    slyfox wrote:

    An off-moment for me is in OQS when after throwing the guy off the roof in Austria, M accuses Bond of shooting the guy at point blank and Bond doesn't deny this or even question it. Grrrrrrrrrr.

    I have tried to figure this about so many times. I mean, how can Bond so stupid and not say what really happened?

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    007RogerMoore wrote:
    slyfox wrote:

    An off-moment for me is in OQS when after throwing the guy off the roof in Austria, M accuses Bond of shooting the guy at point blank and Bond doesn't deny this or even question it. Grrrrrrrrrr.

    I have tried to figure this about so many times. I mean, how can Bond so stupid and not say what really happened?

    Actually I'm glad about that. I love the fact that Bond hardly cares.
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