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Oh, definitely needed that as well, and a stretcher to make it really professional.
Agreed, it doesn’t help that after DAD’s premiere they told Brosnan they were all set to do a 5th film. Brosnan himself seemed excited, but alas the rug was pulled out from underneath him.
The cost of that is nothing though, it really isn’t that big a deal to anyone except fanboys like us on websites like this, because it’s not like they were killing him off forever. The film got a mostly positive audience reaction, and even most of the people who didn’t like it are over it by now, because it’s just a film they didn’t like and maybe the next one will be better. It’s only in these sort of fan communities that the debate runs on and on and on. So, I think it’s a silly thing to use as an example of them going to “any cost” to keep Craig, because “agreeing to a story idea that would ruffle some feathers in niche Bond fan circles” is hardly them taking some massive risk that could sink the series. He suggested an idea and they apparently liked it enough to go for it. It’s not that deep.
How long after was this? April 1st perhaps?
Yeah, that was the problem. Brosnan was excited and let down afterwards. Must have been such a sucker punch.
I wonder if Craig would have stayed on to do the role for 5 films if he was on a similar deal to what Connery was on back then (inflation adjusted, obviously).
Had Connery demanded that they killed off Bond too as part of his deal to come back in 1971, I doubt Cubby would have agreed to that too. It would have been A Bridge Too Far.
Nice to see some lone sanity checks on here... ;)
There's no shortage of negative comments on Daniel Craig and the latest Bond film, is there.
If so that’s the world’s best/worst April Fools Joke XD.
It essentially was. In a perfect world perhaps Brosnan’s 5th film would’ve gone darker, more Fleming. Instead we leave poor Piece on an absolute dumpster fire that somehow became the microcosm for his entire era (save GE).
...Don’t worry Pierce, some of us still love you.
EDIT...on that note, NTTD looks like Citizen Kane when you compare it to DAF, AVATK, and DAD.
You and a few others despised the concluding chapters, that's your right. But no matter how many times you say the same things, the result remains the same: Craig-Bond is dead. However;
The character of James Bond will once again grace our screens in a new time line.
If there was some kind of new and valid argument to your dislike I'd be all in reading, and maybe participating in, further discussions.
But to date, we have only your personal dislike mixed with hyperbole and conjectures and assumptions (my favourite being: Babs is so blindly infatuated with Craig.....).
You and a few other didn't like the last three films, or whatever it is. Isn't it time to move on and get excited for the next adventure to come?
Thank you @peter. For me the Family Dynamic is only the tip of the iceberg. I love all of the following about NTTD;
•The Return of Felix Leiter, in what is probably my favorite appearance of the character in any of the films.
•Paloma, who is perfect every single second she’s on screen....though that could be because of my “appreciation” of Ana De Armas ;)
•Nomi, who really took me by surprise. For years I thought that having two 007’s in the film would be doing Casino Royale ‘67 all over again, but the dynamic works here, and for me established that James Bond doesn’t need the 007 prefix to be the hero we all know and love, something that I also think LTK does extremely well also.
•Madeline, who went from being down towards the very bottom of my rankings (thanks to Spectre) to one of my favorite Bond girls after this film.
•Blofeld, who much like Madeline, didn’t do much for me in SP, but improves here with Waltz, although still calm and collected, being much more cartoonish and outlandish.
•Safin, Primo, and the other villains being my 2nd favorite Rogue’s group from the Craig Era.
•The Russian scientist; great source for humor and levity.
•The return of the fantastical elements of the series, from nanobots and stealth planes to EMP Watches and Cybernetic Eyeballs. This was the kind of Bond film I was raised on, and seeing it work so well within the Craig era really put a huge smile on my face.
•Lastly, Craig himself. Not my favorite performance from him, but to me, his strongest performance as Bond.
But hey, NTTD is bad I guess because Bond is dead and will never, ever return to screens...
Like Calvin Dyson said, NTTD becomes the movie where Craig's Bond gets killed, not the one where he has a family. Such an extreme ending naturally overshadows everything else. They should have done one or other other but not both.
Agreed and I feel once the new Bond is established along with new stories, NTTD will be more accepted as a proper ending to the Craig era of James Bond. Time heals wounds, just ask fans who remained in the fold after TMWTGG and Moonraker. I know Bond wasn't literally killed in those films but...........................
Yeah I can understand thinking the story was overstuffed, but if you removed either of those plot points then you’d basically break the film imo. I really can’t think of a more perfect ending for Craig’s Bond than the one we got. Perfectly capped off all the ideas they’d been exploring through his run. And that amazing sense of theme unity is what kept all those other fairly disparate elements hanging together for me.
Amen. I'll drink to that.
Cubby was desperate and fawning then, yes. Immediately after not paying his stars enough to keep them happy.
I doubt they'd have paid him an amount equal to the budget of the film 9 years previous (Skyfall) i.e. $200m
Connery doing that would have come from the place of bad faith that their relationship had reached, spitefully killing the character for its producers. Luckily the current producers are better at handling their star.
Yeah I quite like that; it's nice to see people who were adamant that they wouldn't accept something like another person holding the 007 number a few months previously just took Bond being a father in their stride.
Had Bond lived to fight another day, then maybe the daughter aspect would have caused more of a stir (although not sure how that would have worked in the continuity of the series, with Bond now being an official father in the next flick.)
The Amazon deal has gone through.
Barbara Broccoli and MGW have stated they’re not interested in a Bond streaming series nor streaming their films without first showcasing the films in the cinemas worldwide.
Next up I think we can anticipate hearing about the writers being hired and working on the script…
Once a script is in good shape, they will go after…. Denis Villeneuve as director… he will then direct the finalists in scenes from the new script. From here-
The new James Bond will be announced to the world, with a release date attached….
https://variety.com/2022/film/awards/francis-coppola-godfather-anniversary-walk-of-fame-1235204672/
Somewhat off topic, but in the article, FFC says he likes and thinks that Denis Villeneuve and Cary Fukunaga are two of the best filmmakers today. I wouldn’t be surprised if Cary comes back to launch the next Bond. Didn’t someone say he had a few ideas to BB about how to do it? I could give or leave him, either way.
I shudder about the script, knowing how loyal to Purvis and Wade EON is, they’ll probably come back at some point. EON’s loyalty to them is arguably stronger than the one to Craig’s.
For a tone for the film, I’ve always said this on here, but I’d personally like something in the style of the earlier Bond films. Use Connery’s first four films as templates as opposed to something like CR, or Skyfall. TLD, and GE all did this perfectly mixing a fast paced, tightly scripted thriller with elements of the fantastical. Not that I think CR or Skyfall don’t do this, but trying to replicate those films would bring inevitable comparisons, especially coming immediately after Craig’s era.
I’d rather the emotional stakes take a bit of a backseat for the next era. I don’t really think we need movies that always delve deep into Bond as a character, in fact I think it’s a concept that was overused in Craig’s era. I’d also rather not have another connected story arc. If they insist on doing that, then they should at least plan it out better than they previously have, because unfortunately for me, a lot of why Craig’s era/his arc doesn’t work for me is because of the poor planning/retconning, despite the performances Craig put in.
Finally, I’d like the next Bond to be a bit more of a Bastard. That sophisticated playboy who could make love to a woman one moment and kill somebody the next, all while cracking a quip and wry smile. Someone more Connery/Moore/Brosnan than Lazenby/Dalton/Craig.
Also - Moore's Bond tricked Solitaire into giving up her virginity for him. Oh, sure, she already was attracted, but she believed in those Tarot cards. Bond knew it, and it was the reason he brought a set of cards in which each one shows The Lovers. Solitaire may have been heading there with Bond, but it seemed the cards made the difference and pushed her into his arms, so to speak, but by way of his deception. Was it really necessary for him to do that to get her on his side ? Wouldn't she have been persuaded by knowing more about what Kananga/Mr. Big was up to ?