Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Posts: 4,615
    Is it fair to say that, culturally, the USA has a broad "can do" "celebrate success", "cheerleader" attitude towards life and this is possible reflected in their movies ?It's easy to write this off as cheese but it is possible to create quality cheese. Look at movies like Rocky 4 which it's easy to write off as USA propaganda but it was huge at the box office. It's not only having someone to cheer but these movies literally have the cheering included within the movie. This also needs to be combined with a certain, unapollgetic swagger (the best of the best), perhaps best illustrated not only by the ski stunt in TSWLM but the union flag parachute. Its a long time since we saw these qualities in a Bond movie IMHO. It's not everyones cup of tea but IMHO, they need to look at this tone in order to be more loved in the USA.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    If they do intend on taking their sweet time in between installments from here on out still, it's another reason to incorporate standalone missions yet again. As was mentioned on the last page, you can't expect general audiences to remember hokey plot points from six years prior. This way, it ensures you don't have to remember anything. That, or they need to return to getting these out once every three years or something. I just miss the consistency.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think it's fine to carry stories on, you just have to make sure that the film makes sense to someone who hasn't seen or remembers the previous one. If you look at MI Fallout, it continues on from the previous films, but everything from Ethan's wife to the bad guy, captured in the previous film, is explained within the film itself.
    And to be fair, I'm not sure there's much about NTTD that you couldn't pick up even if you hadn't seen Spectre first. It's pretty obvious that he's left the service and in a relationship with Madeline at the beginning, maybe her ties to Spectre and Blofeld are the only slightly murky things.
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
    edited May 2022 Posts: 554
    mtm wrote: »
    I think it's fine to carry stories on, you just have to make sure that the film makes sense to someone who hasn't seen or remembers the previous one. If you look at MI Fallout, it continues on from the previous films, but everything from Ethan's wife to the bad guy, captured in the previous film, is explained within the film itself.
    And to be fair, I'm not sure there's much about NTTD that you couldn't pick up even if you hadn't seen Spectre first. It's pretty obvious that he's left the service and in a relationship with Madeline at the beginning, maybe her ties to Spectre and Blofeld are the only slightly murky things.

    Fallout was released only 3 years after Rogue Nation which is where it gets most of the continuity from other than Julia.

    The thing about NTTD is that it clearly operates on you already being invested in the Bond/Madeline relationship. If you didn't see Spectre you're out of luck there. There's also the Vesper callback.
  • Posts: 784
    mtm wrote: »
    I think it's fine to carry stories on, you just have to make sure that the film makes sense to someone who hasn't seen or remembers the previous one. If you look at MI Fallout, it continues on from the previous films, but everything from Ethan's wife to the bad guy, captured in the previous film, is explained within the film itself.
    And to be fair, I'm not sure there's much about NTTD that you couldn't pick up even if you hadn't seen Spectre first. It's pretty obvious that he's left the service and in a relationship with Madeline at the beginning, maybe her ties to Spectre and Blofeld are the only slightly murky things.

    It would have been so funny if it was revealed that MI6 ordered the death of all his girlfriends so that he could go back to work.
  • edited May 2022 Posts: 4,139
    Venutius wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    CR is definitely a course correction from DAD, not because it earned them less money than TWINE did but because fans and reviewers criticised many of the elements that they felt didn't work. They seemingly listened.

    They also felt it themselves - they were already worried about xXx and then, during the production of DAD, BB, MGW and Lee Tamahori went to see The Bourne Identity. I think it was Tamahori who said they came out feeling like 'we were dead in the water'! DAD was massively successful and Brosnan still hugely popular, but they obviously thought they were running out of road and took a major detour. They then veered back a bit after QOS (unfortunately!). This willingness to change course is one reason it's hard to gauge how they'll go this time around.

    There you go. Like I said, criticise BB and MGW for their creative decisions if you want (there's much I've disliked myself), but it's silly to claim they haven't changed course nor have the ability to gauge where the series, general audiences and indeed fans are at at any point in time.

    Personally, I don't see how any fan can feel that much hate for them, at least not without having the same level of dislike for Cubby and to a lesser extent Saltzman.
  • edited May 2022 Posts: 784
    007HallY wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    CR is definitely a course correction from DAD, not because it earned them less money than TWINE did but because fans and reviewers criticised many of the elements that they felt didn't work. They seemingly listened.

    They also felt it themselves - they were already worried about xXx and then, during the production of DAD, BB, MGW and Lee Tamahori went to see The Bourne Identity. I think it was Tamahori who said they came out feeling like 'we were dead in the water'! DAD was massively successful and Brosnan still hugely popular, but they obviously thought they were running out of road and took a major detour. They then veered back a bit after QOS (unfortunately!). This willingness to change course is one reason it's hard to gauge how they'll go this time around.

    There you go. Like I said, criticise BB and MGW for their creative decisions if you want (there's much I've disliked myself), but it's silly to claim they haven't changed course nor have the ability to gauge where the series, general audiences and indeed fans are at at any point in time.

    Personally, I don't see how any fan can feel that much hate for them, at least not without having the same level of dislike for Cubby and to a lesser extent Saltzman.

    Without them we wouldn’t have gotten Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace or Daniel Craig. For what happened after that, whoever was responsible deserves the blame.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2022 Posts: 16,383
    mtm wrote: »
    I think it's fine to carry stories on, you just have to make sure that the film makes sense to someone who hasn't seen or remembers the previous one. If you look at MI Fallout, it continues on from the previous films, but everything from Ethan's wife to the bad guy, captured in the previous film, is explained within the film itself.
    And to be fair, I'm not sure there's much about NTTD that you couldn't pick up even if you hadn't seen Spectre first. It's pretty obvious that he's left the service and in a relationship with Madeline at the beginning, maybe her ties to Spectre and Blofeld are the only slightly murky things.

    Fallout was released only 3 years after Rogue Nation which is where it gets most of the continuity from other than Julia.

    3 years is plenty of time to forget, or the person watching may not have seen Rogue Nation at all. My point is that the film is designed to work for people who remember, who have forgotten, or who never saw previous films in the series.
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
    edited May 2022 Posts: 554
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I think it's fine to carry stories on, you just have to make sure that the film makes sense to someone who hasn't seen or remembers the previous one. If you look at MI Fallout, it continues on from the previous films, but everything from Ethan's wife to the bad guy, captured in the previous film, is explained within the film itself.
    And to be fair, I'm not sure there's much about NTTD that you couldn't pick up even if you hadn't seen Spectre first. It's pretty obvious that he's left the service and in a relationship with Madeline at the beginning, maybe her ties to Spectre and Blofeld are the only slightly murky things.

    Fallout was released only 3 years after Rogue Nation which is where it gets most of the continuity from other than Julia.

    3 years is plenty of time to forget, or the person watching may not have seen Rogue Nation at all. My point is that the film is designed to work for people who remember, who have forgotten, or who never saw previous films in the series.
    Yeah, you're right there. I just think the difference in time between that and SP - NTTD is worth consideration too. I remember before it came out someone compared to if GE was a direct sequel to LTK with Dalton. Certainly not a perfect analogy, but even still.
  • Posts: 4,139
    007HallY wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    CR is definitely a course correction from DAD, not because it earned them less money than TWINE did but because fans and reviewers criticised many of the elements that they felt didn't work. They seemingly listened.

    They also felt it themselves - they were already worried about xXx and then, during the production of DAD, BB, MGW and Lee Tamahori went to see The Bourne Identity. I think it was Tamahori who said they came out feeling like 'we were dead in the water'! DAD was massively successful and Brosnan still hugely popular, but they obviously thought they were running out of road and took a major detour. They then veered back a bit after QOS (unfortunately!). This willingness to change course is one reason it's hard to gauge how they'll go this time around.

    There you go. Like I said, criticise BB and MGW for their creative decisions if you want (there's much I've disliked myself), but it's silly to claim they haven't changed course nor have the ability to gauge where the series, general audiences and indeed fans are at at any point in time.

    Personally, I don't see how any fan can feel that much hate for them, at least not without having the same level of dislike for Cubby and to a lesser extent Saltzman.

    Without them we wouldn’t have gotten Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace or Daniel Craig. For whatever happened after that, whoever was responsible deserves the blame.

    I'd say their track record isn't bad overall. GE and CR are fan favourites. SF is the most financially successful Bond film and amongst general audiences (certainly among people my age anyway) it's a favourite. Critically those films are highly regarded. TND and QOS are nowadays looked back upon increasingly fondly amongst fans, and NTTD, while divisive, has its supporters. And yes, casting Craig was a stroke of genius.

    The fact is it's not easy to get every movie right. MGW and BB seem to at least be receptive to criticisms and reflective in how they approach each film. Honestly, for all the hate they get amongst some fans here, there are few others who could do their jobs.
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
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    Agreed.
  • edited May 2022 Posts: 784
    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    CR is definitely a course correction from DAD, not because it earned them less money than TWINE did but because fans and reviewers criticised many of the elements that they felt didn't work. They seemingly listened.

    They also felt it themselves - they were already worried about xXx and then, during the production of DAD, BB, MGW and Lee Tamahori went to see The Bourne Identity. I think it was Tamahori who said they came out feeling like 'we were dead in the water'! DAD was massively successful and Brosnan still hugely popular, but they obviously thought they were running out of road and took a major detour. They then veered back a bit after QOS (unfortunately!). This willingness to change course is one reason it's hard to gauge how they'll go this time around.

    There you go. Like I said, criticise BB and MGW for their creative decisions if you want (there's much I've disliked myself), but it's silly to claim they haven't changed course nor have the ability to gauge where the series, general audiences and indeed fans are at at any point in time.

    Personally, I don't see how any fan can feel that much hate for them, at least not without having the same level of dislike for Cubby and to a lesser extent Saltzman.

    Without them we wouldn’t have gotten Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace or Daniel Craig. For whatever happened after that, whoever was responsible deserves the blame.

    I'd say their track record isn't bad overall. GE and CR are fan favourites. SF is the most financially successful Bond film and amongst general audiences (certainly among people my age anyway) it's a favourite. Critically those films are highly regarded. TND and QOS are nowadays looked back upon increasingly fondly amongst fans, and NTTD, while divisive, has its supporters. And yes, casting Craig was a stroke of genius.

    The fact is it's not easy to get every movie right. MGW and BB seem to at least be receptive to criticisms and reflective in how they approach each film. Honestly, for all the hate they get amongst some fans here, there are few others who could do their jobs.

    I loved QoS first time I saw it. TND is criminally underrated. I can’t stand TWINE and GE while great, is dreadful at times.

    Skyfall might have been successful at the Box Office but I would argue that the ticket sales of the consecutive films suffered because of it and the direction they decided to take with Mendes and whoever the writers were.
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
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    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    CR is definitely a course correction from DAD, not because it earned them less money than TWINE did but because fans and reviewers criticised many of the elements that they felt didn't work. They seemingly listened.

    They also felt it themselves - they were already worried about xXx and then, during the production of DAD, BB, MGW and Lee Tamahori went to see The Bourne Identity. I think it was Tamahori who said they came out feeling like 'we were dead in the water'! DAD was massively successful and Brosnan still hugely popular, but they obviously thought they were running out of road and took a major detour. They then veered back a bit after QOS (unfortunately!). This willingness to change course is one reason it's hard to gauge how they'll go this time around.

    There you go. Like I said, criticise BB and MGW for their creative decisions if you want (there's much I've disliked myself), but it's silly to claim they haven't changed course nor have the ability to gauge where the series, general audiences and indeed fans are at at any point in time.

    Personally, I don't see how any fan can feel that much hate for them, at least not without having the same level of dislike for Cubby and to a lesser extent Saltzman.

    Without them we wouldn’t have gotten Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace or Daniel Craig. For whatever happened after that, whoever was responsible deserves the blame.

    I'd say their track record isn't bad overall. GE and CR are fan favourites. SF is the most financially successful Bond film and amongst general audiences (certainly among people my age anyway) it's a favourite. Critically those films are highly regarded. TND and QOS are nowadays looked back upon increasingly fondly amongst fans, and NTTD, while divisive, has its supporters. And yes, casting Craig was a stroke of genius.

    The fact is it's not easy to get every movie right. MGW and BB seem to at least be receptive to criticisms and reflective in how they approach each film. Honestly, for all the hate they get amongst some fans here, there are few others who could do their jobs.

    I loved QoS first time I saw it. TND is criminally underrated. I can’t stand TWINE and GE while great, is dreadful at times.

    Skyfall might have been successful at the Box Office but I would argue that the ticket sales of the consecutive films suffered because of it and the direction they decided to take with Mendes and whoever the writers were.
    I'd disagree with the idea Skyfall had a negative impact on how many people went to see the next one. It was really popular among general audiences and there was a lot of goodwill going into Spectre.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited May 2022 Posts: 3,152
    007HallY wrote: »
    Personally, I don't see how any fan can feel that much hate for them, at least not without having the same level of dislike for Cubby and to a lesser extent Saltzman.
    Agreed - I think we're lucky to have them. Not simping, but many others would've just milked the cash cow til the teat ran dry - and if they'd done that, it'd've been dry long ago.

  • Posts: 1,987
    When I saw Dr. No in 1962, the film blew me away. It was new and thrilling, very much unlike other movies I had seen. The hero was ruggedly handsome and dangerous, the film was sexual, the villain exciting, and the Bond theme magnetic. All the elements combined to make something new and exciting. FRWL, GF, and TB all delivered equally well. Then came the first disappointment: YOLT. And then the sobering reality of the torch being passed. OHMSS was a conflicting film then but has soared in my appreciation over the years. But what lost and never regained was that initial thrill. No films since
    those first four have thrilled me and filled me with anticipation for the next film. I have always remained a Bond fan but the thrill like a first kiss or first love is long gone. Since those early years Bond films have been more of a curiosity to me. It's always been a what are they going to do now? For me the series has been uneven and often uninspired. There are a few post Connery films I revisit from time to time. I consider OHMSS and CR the very best, but since TB, the series has never given me the jolt of those first four films. We'll put it down to age.

    One reads a lot about attempting to get adults back to the movies. No question the pandemic had and still has a significant impact on movie going elders. For me that is partially responsible, but frankly films have not rung my bell they way they used to. There is very much of a been there, done that aspect to films. For example, as much as I liked the new West Side Story, it hasn't stayed with me like the original. A film that ticks all the boxes is one that I immediately want to see again.

    I saw NTTD twice, and while I liked the film, I was neither stirred nor shaken. There was no thrilling and new. It was just another Bond film. Going forward, I realize the filmmakers aren't going to be able to please everyone. I am no longer their demographic. That's okay. Because I don't think sixty years on the franchise can recapture what it once was. As the filmmakers work to reinvent the series, I wonder if they'll be able to thrill a new generation of Bond goers as those of us who where on hand to see the first one?
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Do you need to watch the original Top Gun to get Maverick?

    I would say it helps enhance some of the emotional beats but from a basic narrative point-of-view, you can go in cold and still enjoy it.
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
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    Do you need to watch the original Top Gun to get Maverick?

    I would say it helps enhance some of the emotional beats but from a basic narrative point-of-view, you can go in cold and still enjoy it.
    I'll check out the original film then.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    FRWL, GF, and TB all delivered equally well. Then came the first disappointment: YOLT. And then the sobering reality of the torch being passed.

    What did you find disappointing about YOLT? Was it generally considered a step down from TB?
  • edited May 2022 Posts: 784
    CrabKey wrote: »
    When I saw Dr. No in 1962, the film blew me away. It was new and thrilling, very much unlike other movies I had seen. The hero was ruggedly handsome and dangerous, the film was sexual, the villain exciting, and the Bond theme magnetic. All the elements combined to make something new and exciting. FRWL, GF, and TB all delivered equally well. Then came the first disappointment: YOLT. And then the sobering reality of the torch being passed. OHMSS was a conflicting film then but has soared in my appreciation over the years. But what lost and never regained was that initial thrill. No films since
    those first four have thrilled me and filled me with anticipation for the next film. I have always remained a Bond fan but the thrill like a first kiss or first love is long gone. Since those early years Bond films have been more of a curiosity to me. It's always been a what are they going to do now? For me the series has been uneven and often uninspired. There are a few post Connery films I revisit from time to time. I consider OHMSS and CR the very best, but since TB, the series has never given me the jolt of those first four films. We'll put it down to age.

    One reads a lot about attempting to get adults back to the movies. No question the pandemic had and still has a significant impact on movie going elders. For me that is partially responsible, but frankly films have not rung my bell they way they used to. There is very much of a been there, done that aspect to films. For example, as much as I liked the new West Side Story, it hasn't stayed with me like the original. A film that ticks all the boxes is one that I immediately want to see again.

    I saw NTTD twice, and while I liked the film, I was neither stirred nor shaken. There was no thrilling and new. It was just another Bond film. Going forward, I realize the filmmakers aren't going to be able to please everyone. I am no longer their demographic. That's okay. Because I don't think sixty years on the franchise can recapture what it once was. As the filmmakers work to reinvent the series, I wonder if they'll be able to thrill a new generation of Bond goers as those of us who where on hand to see the first one?

    I can relate to your sentiment, despite being much much younger, but I think you are too defeatist. The right writer/director/actor should be able to tick all your boxes, but it is up to the producers to be convinced or take that leap of faith.

    Many new films lack the bombasticism of the old days, where large spacious locations, static macro cinematography and big band orchestras made everything feel more extravagant. Sean Connery was a very grounded and subtle actor for those times when other leading actors were much more emotive.

    I feel like a strong director should be able to capture that classic feeling while still remaining contemporary.

    I think a large soirée at a castle/mansion, some stealth action, reusing the classic bond theme, a diving/underwater scene, some gambling and a suspenseful unveiling of a masterfully knitted plot that ignores (or only hints at) Bond’s personal canon, with carefully constructed dialogue, I think your juices would be flowing again.

    With a diverse cast, not just in terms of ethnicity, but also body shapes, beauty, ages, lots of extras and a well cast protagonist and antagonist..

    I think we both would be excited.

    I’d skip the villain’s lair, and the cartoony henchman. It worked very well in CR. I would however consider making the fighting a bit more choreographed and bond a bit more cold and ruthless with the gun, i.e less full on shootouts and more cold blooded murders.

    It would be interesting with a villain who turns good towards the end to defeat a bigger foe. And Bond fawning over monneypenny for a change, after which she files him for sexual harassment.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    Do you need to watch the original Top Gun to get Maverick?

    I would say it helps enhance some of the emotional beats but from a basic narrative point-of-view, you can go in cold and still enjoy it.
    I'll check out the original film then.

    It's not very good, I must warn you. It has its merits and there are things to love about it, but the new film surpasses it in almost every way.
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
    Posts: 554
    Do you need to watch the original Top Gun to get Maverick?

    I would say it helps enhance some of the emotional beats but from a basic narrative point-of-view, you can go in cold and still enjoy it.
    I'll check out the original film then.

    It's not very good, I must warn you. It has its merits and there are things to love about it, but the new film surpasses it in almost every way.
    Hey, that'll make me appreciate the new one all the more.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited May 2022 Posts: 8,183
    Overall, you leave the cinema on an absolute low, which is not good for a popcorn action flick.

    Not every Bond film needs to be fist pumping at the end. I loathe this sentiment because it basically further confines Bond into strict formula with no leeway. If Bond films were that strict about formula, we’d never have OHMSS. And I don’t even think NTTD’s ending is as much of a downer as OHMSS. But then again, I don’t really view Bond as some kind of wish fulfillment or something worth being aspirational.

    OHMSS is the exception, not the norm, and I only make allowances for that tragic ending because Fleming wrote it, and also because Bond didn't die.

    I’m not suggesting that OHMSS be the norm, but I think it’s utter BS to suggest the filmmakers aren’t allowed to be as iconoclastic with Bond as Fleming was. If OHMSS is the only time Bond films can have a downer ending, that it can’t just be a rare occasion that happens every 50 years or so, then then you make Bond films creatively boring. I rather the filmmakers take chances with Bond than stick to a formula with zero variation.
    And yes, I do find Bond aspirational. I thought most fans walk out of the cinema after a Bond film walking that bit taller, wanting to mimic the panther walk, or exuding macho coolness. With NTTD, Craig's Bond was a tragic character that you felt sorry for, and took pity on instead.

    Exceptions can be made. As it was with OHMSS, unless there’s folks here that can counter that by claiming they walked out of the cinema with the immediate reaction being “that was a jolly good time!” while the end credits showed an image of the bullet hole on the windshield.
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
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    unless there’s folks here that can counter that by claiming they walked out of the cinema with the immediate reaction being “that was a jolly good time!” while the end credits showed an image of the bullet hole on the windshield.
    You never know, the Bond Theme is a great tune after all...
  • edited May 2022 Posts: 4,139
    To be fair, I did feel that NTTD's ending was a bit of a downer in a way that wasn't right for the film. I felt what they were trying to go for was a relatively optimistic ending - sure, Bond's dead, but he's now a mythologised hero that will live on through Madeline's stories to Mathilde... having WHATTITW echo over the titles came off as a bit depressing and didn't convey that sense of optimism to me...

    I mean, even if they'd have stuck the Bond theme at the end and rejigged a few things here it might have had a different impact emotionally... I dunno, these things are subjective after all.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I still think ending it on a flashback of Bond himself, staring out at the viewer like at the end of the CR title sequence, looking cool whilst the Bond theme played could have worked if done in a cool and not naff way.
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    Here's a change for the ending to NTTD...(somehow having a pack and a light on his person that didn't get soaked) Bond shrugs. "What the hell..." Pulls out a cig, lights it up. One long drag and exhale...(boom)
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited May 2022 Posts: 6,297
    007HallY wrote: »
    To be fair, I did feel that NTTD's ending was a bit of a downer in a way that wasn't right for the film. I felt what they were trying to go for was a relatively optimistic ending - sure, Bond's dead, but he's now a mythologised hero that will live on through Madeline's stories to Mathilde... having WHATTITW echo over the titles came off as a bit depressing and didn't convey that sense of optimism to me...

    I mean, even if they'd have stuck the Bond theme at the end and rejigged a few things here it might have had a different impact emotionally... I dunno, these things are subjective after all.

    I'm so tired of the Bond theme at the end of every film.

    I think a cover of We Have All The Time in the World by Billie Eilish would have worked (although impossible to market without spoiling the ending).
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Since62 wrote: »
    Here's a change for the ending to NTTD...(somehow having a pack and a light on his person that didn't get soaked) Bond shrugs. "What the hell..." Pulls out a cig, lights it up. One long drag and exhale...(boom)
    Unfortunately if you put Bach's Air on the G String playing in the background you have a Hamlet cigar advert (if anyone is old enough to remember the classic series of adverts).
  • Posts: 4,139
    echo wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    To be fair, I did feel that NTTD's ending was a bit of a downer in a way that wasn't right for the film. I felt what they were trying to go for was a relatively optimistic ending - sure, Bond's dead, but he's now a mythologised hero that will live on through Madeline's stories to Mathilde... having WHATTITW echo over the titles came off as a bit depressing and didn't convey that sense of optimism to me...

    I mean, even if they'd have stuck the Bond theme at the end and rejigged a few things here it might have had a different impact emotionally... I dunno, these things are subjective after all.

    I'm so tired of the Bond theme at the end of every film.

    I think a cover of We Have All The Time in the World by Billie Eilish would have worked (although impossible to market without spoiling the ending).

    Maybe if they'd just stuck with a brief instrumental until the end and then did the Bond theme for the credits? Again, there's something just so solemn and weird about coming out of the cinema to that song.
  • Posts: 1,987
    slide_99 wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    FRWL, GF, and TB all delivered equally well. Then came the first disappointment: YOLT. And then the sobering reality of the torch being passed.

    What did you find disappointing about YOLT? Was it generally considered a step down from TB?

    It was a step down for me. I've never liked the Bond in space business: rockets, satellites, etc. Blofeld seemed silly to me. The film felt cartoonish to me in a way the previous outings had not. The source material was far more interesting.

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