Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    it clearly wants you to think of Goldfinger when Bond introduces the DB5, regardless of the fanwank you can do to make the scene fit with just CR-QoS.

    Which is why it should've been the DB5 from CR. Mendes dropped a boll-, er, clanger, there.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Only if you care about continuity that much; I'd rather see the GF DB5! :)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Mendes was not wrong in his instincts bringing back the DB5, as audiences CHEERED for that moment.

    It’s also not his fault that Campbell, for whatever reason, had the DB5 with the drivers seat on the wrong side in CR.
  • edited June 2022 Posts: 4,139
    To be fair, as referential as it is, I like the idea of Bond keeping the DB5 from CR and sort of 'jazzing it up' with all these elaborate gadgets. Kind of like what he did with his Bentley and the turbo charger in the novels. In a sense too it's not even a DB5 anymore. Presumably between CR and SF he had to change the steering wheel, hack it apart to put all these weapons in etc. After SF the thing is blown up and has to be rebuilt, presumably changing the engine, putting in more gadgets, completely changing the body... It's a copy of a DB5, recognisable only superficially, its function now completely different than what was originally intended...

    Rather a good metaphor for the inclusion of SP/Blofeld in SP, come to think of it...
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It’s actually not the same DB5 from CR. It’s brought up in SP that the DB5 in was lended to Bond by Q Branch, so it wasn’t even Bond’s personal car. That makes me think that perhaps the DB5 was an actual MI6 relic that used to be driven by 00 agents in the 60s when Craig Bond was only an itch in Andrew Bond’s pants.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It’s actually not the same DB5 from CR. It’s brought up in SP that the DB5 in was lended to Bond by Q Branch, so it wasn’t even Bond’s personal car.

    Bond won it in CR whilst investigating Le Chiffre's plans; although he was 'rogue' at the time I can imagine that MI6 retrospectively said he was on a sanctioned mission (especially given that they had to get him out of custody at Miami Airport), so it's also quite imaginable that they said any benefits he accumulated whilst on the mission (i.e. the Aston Martin) were Government property and not his.
    That's a way you can make it work anyway! :)
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
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    Venutius wrote: »
    it clearly wants you to think of Goldfinger when Bond introduces the DB5, regardless of the fanwank you can do to make the scene fit with just CR-QoS.

    Which is why it should've been the DB5 from CR. Mendes dropped a boll-, er, clanger, there.
    Nah, it was too much fun to watch.
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    mtm wrote: »
    It’s actually not the same DB5 from CR. It’s brought up in SP that the DB5 in was lended to Bond by Q Branch, so it wasn’t even Bond’s personal car.

    Bond won it in CR whilst investigating Le Chiffre's plans; although he was 'rogue' at the time I can imagine that MI6 retrospectively said he was on a sanctioned mission (especially given that they had to get him out of custody at Miami Airport), so it's also quite imaginable that they said any benefits he accumulated whilst on the mission (i.e. the Aston Martin) were Government property and not his.
    That's a way you can make it work anyway! :)

    Yeah, I must admit I kind of presumed this was the case... it's been a while since I've seen SP too...
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited June 2022 Posts: 4,247
    I love the DB5, but I'm hoping it doesn't show up in the entirety of Bond 7's era, as it has really been overused in Craig's era. Maybe Bond 7 can use other models of Aston Martins in his films.
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    If the DB5 shows up in the next Bond movie, they are in real trouble
    (PS it would be fun to have Bond perhaps walk by a silver DB5 parked in the street and hesitate/glance for a fraction of a second) and then jump into his Lotus.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited June 2022 Posts: 13,978
    The only way that I would want to DB5 to make appear in Bond #26, is if it were to be blown up in the pre-titles sequence. Drop a nuke on it, if need be. I have never found it to be a particularly attractive car. From the same decade, the DBS is much better looking.
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    I'm up for seeing the OHMSS Aston return, other than that they need to start afresh, without too much old references.

    TLD worked fine with it's new Aston back in 1987, without the need for any DB5 popping up too.
  • edited June 2022 Posts: 4,615
    Yes, a rather clumsy metaphor perhaps.
    We could see Bond checking his tie in the wing mirror of a silver DB5 to trick us and then he just turns his back on it and walks away. It's hard to draw a line between a "cheeky nod" and something that just takes you out of the movie.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    patb wrote: »
    Yes, a rather clumsy metaphor perhaps.
    We could see Bond checking his tie in the wing mirror of a silver DB5 to trick us and then he just turns his back on it and walks away. It's hard to draw a line between a "cheeky nod" and something that just takes you out of the movie.

    I was starting to fantasize about some Q section scene, where they present a large number of old Bond cars "You really have the pick of the litter, 007", cut to Bond driving a Lotus Evija or an Audi e-tron GT or a current model AM, or a 2CV or whatever the hero car will be down a winding country road, but then I remembered all the tortured allusions to previous Bond films in DAD and a shiver goes down my spine...
    It's like the idea of having Michael Fassbender, Tom Hardy, Tom Hiddlestone, Tom Holland, Emily Blunt, Idris Elba and Clive Owen sit in a semi-circle TB-style as the other 00s. Cool idea for about half a second and then just too fanboyish.
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    patb wrote: »
    Yes, a rather clumsy metaphor perhaps.
    We could see Bond checking his tie in the wing mirror of a silver DB5 to trick us and then he just turns his back on it and walks away. It's hard to draw a line between a "cheeky nod" and something that just takes you out of the movie.

    I was starting to fantasize about some Q section scene, where they present a large number of old Bond cars "You really have the pick of the litter, 007", cut to Bond driving a Lotus Evija or an Audi e-tron GT or a current model AM, or a 2CV or whatever the hero car will be down a winding country road, but then I remembered all the tortured allusions to previous Bond films in DAD and a shiver goes down my spine...
    It's like the idea of having Michael Fassbender, Tom Hardy, Tom Hiddlestone, Tom Holland, Emily Blunt, Idris Elba and Clive Owen sit in a semi-circle TB-style as the other 00s. Cool idea for about half a second and then just too fanboyish.

    Re: The TB circle in a new film - Cool idea ! Until the audience realizes how interesting they find those other actors, in comparison with (whomever) portraying Bond. Thanks for remembering to include a lady, by the way, for those of us who remember a lady double-0 appeared in TB. In fact, the other agents were a somewhat diverse lot of men, apparently from various parts of the world.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited June 2022 Posts: 6,297
    Mendes was not wrong in his instincts bringing back the DB5, as audiences CHEERED for that moment.

    It’s also not his fault that Campbell, for whatever reason, had the DB5 with the drivers seat on the wrong side in CR.

    A homage to DAF? ;)
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited June 2022 Posts: 3,152
    Mendes was not wrong in his instincts bringing back the DB5, as audiences CHEERED for that moment. It’s also not his fault that Campbell, for whatever reason, had the DB5 with the drivers seat on the wrong side in CR.
    It's because Bond won the CR DB5 in the Bahamas, where most cars are left-hand drive. Bet audiences would've cheered just as much if SF had used the CR DB5 instead of the GF car, though, no? Then again, maybe not - I saw SF in the UK where no one cheers in the cinema... ;)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    The lady next to me did do a little excited clap at that moment though :)
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    The only future reference that needs to be made to the original Aston is Bond leaving a casino and getting into his new Aston. A woman driving an old Aston pulls into the space next to his. Bond smiles, says, "Nice car," and drives away.
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    That would be way be far too campy for me, and far too obvious.
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    The next Bond should do what Roger Moore did: avoid his predecessor's Aston Martin and get a different but still iconic and cool car that he can make his own.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    The only future reference that needs to be made to the original Aston is Bond leaving a casino and getting into his new Aston. A woman driving an old Aston pulls into the space next to his. Bond smiles, says, "Nice car," and drives away.

    Good on that, @CrabKey.

    And I'd greatly enjoy a silver Saab 900 Turbo used in any way in a Bond film. Background or otherwise.

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    Revelator wrote: »
    The next Bond should do what Roger Moore did: avoid his predecessor's Aston Martin and get a different but still iconic and cool car that he can make his own.

    Easier said than done at this point. Please recall the budgets for these films are partially covered by sponsorships. EON does not include Aston Martins only because they fit Bond's story. They did not include the %^*&-ing non-British BMW's during Brosnan's run because they fit the story. Remember the overwhelming presence of boring, fleet-car Chevrolet in LALD ? There were many Fords for years but they were nice cars - Mustang convertible in GF and TB, Lincoln convertible sedan in TB, Lincoln-Mercury Cougar in OHSS, Mustang in DAF, Lincoln Mark # in LTK, even the retro-T-bird in DAD - and were not over-represented and fit the stories. Would Lotus now want to get their cars into Bond films ? Would it make any artistic sense ? Do the present Lotus vehicles - much as I gladly would have one - look Bondian ? Do they look like a Bond actor could even fit in one ? (Other than, of course, the young and slight boys some folks on here promote for the next Bond actor.) Could they have Bond drive a classic - sadly, yes, the term now applies - Lotus Esprit as his person stashed-away car, while driving an Aston from work ? Perhaps not, depending on the terms of the agreement with Aston. In GE, Bond had a classic Aston, but, for work, he drove - no, not the tank - actually, they avoided the question, since the BMW convertible was so new it barely made it into the film, and Bond's American buddy - portrayed by the same actor - shades of YOLT and DAF - who played one of the villains in a film (TLD, which lacked a clearly identified primary villain) - drove it away. But after that, BMWs all over. Not over-represented, and they fit (though the BMW motorcycle in TND was a bit of an anamoly. Certainly the sedan and the convertible - now exceedingly valuable - in TWINE fit. Aston made it back into the films in DAD...even if the audience did not get to see it much (wink, wink).
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    If EON could have Bond drive cool cars that weren't Aston Martins in 1977, then it can do so again. The car doesn't have to be a Lotus. There are lots of car companies that would love to enter a sponsorship deal with the Bond films. It's time Bond drove a new car instead of a nostalgia piece.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    The only future reference that needs to be made to the original Aston is Bond leaving a casino and getting into his new Aston. A woman driving an old Aston pulls into the space next to his. Bond smiles, says, "Nice car," and drives away.

    Good on that, @CrabKey.

    And I'd greatly enjoy a silver Saab 900 Turbo used in any way in a Bond film. Background or otherwise.

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    That is one way for Bond to move forward: take ideas from continuation authors. It’s the ideas that could be changed, for better or worse.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Ever since GOLDENEYE, Eon has made it a prerequisite to include a signature car, even if the story doesn’t actually call for one. Whereas in the Cubby/Saltzman years, only half of the films featured a car for Bond to drive.

    Maybe that will change now that Amazon is fronting the money, so Eon doesn’t need to court another dealership to bring in the money/publicity. We’ll see. The signature car had become such a main staple for Brosnan/Craig, it’ll be surreal.
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    How about a Bentley for the new Bond. That would be cool. They look sporty like an Aston, but it also ties in with Fleming too.

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  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Revelator wrote: »
    The next Bond should do what Roger Moore did: avoid his predecessor's Aston Martin and get a different but still iconic and cool car that he can make his own.

    +1
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Fleming was an advocate for electric vehicles, perhaps that could be Bond’s next.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I hope they stick with Aston Martin but they should retire the DB5, at least for a few films
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