Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • To answer the question in the thread title: Well, it looks like he goes to Wakanda. (If you watch the Black Panther 2 trailer, you will know what I mean. :D )
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    To answer the question in the thread title: Well, it looks like he goes to Wakanda. (If you watch the Black Panther 2 trailer, you will know what I mean. :D )

    I did notice that.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    Martin Freeman as the next Bond?

    I just watched The Gray Man and I don't think there's a whole lot we should take from it when thinking about the future of Bond. The biggest part would probably be: If you can only do a stunt with heavy CGI, but can't really do the CGI convincingly, don't do it..
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Martin Freeman as the next Bond?

    I just watched The Gray Man and I don't think there's a whole lot we should take from it when thinking about the future of Bond. The biggest part would probably be: If you can only do a stunt with heavy CGI, but can't really do the CGI convincingly, don't do it..

    What I take away from The Gray Man is that Regé-Jean Page may not be Bond material after all...
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Martin Freeman as the next Bond?

    I just watched The Gray Man and I don't think there's a whole lot we should take from it when thinking about the future of Bond. The biggest part would probably be: If you can only do a stunt with heavy CGI, but can't really do the CGI convincingly, don't do it..

    What I take away from The Gray Man is that Regé-Jean Page may not be Bond material after all...

    That, too.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited July 2022 Posts: 40,968
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Martin Freeman as the next Bond?

    I just watched The Gray Man and I don't think there's a whole lot we should take from it when thinking about the future of Bond. The biggest part would probably be: If you can only do a stunt with heavy CGI, but can't really do the CGI convincingly, don't do it..

    What I take away from The Gray Man is that Regé-Jean Page may not be Bond material after all...

    That, too.

    Also my takeaway. He tried to come across as way more threatening than he really was and I saw nothing about him that shouted Bond to me.

    I was also really excited for Evans' performance, and while he's clearly relishing the opportunity to play such a hateful guy, it's funny how rather incompetent and useless he is throughout, especially those Vienna sequences (those golf polos and loafers weren't helping his case either).
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Martin Freeman as the next Bond?

    I just watched The Gray Man and I don't think there's a whole lot we should take from it when thinking about the future of Bond. The biggest part would probably be: If you can only do a stunt with heavy CGI, but can't really do the CGI convincingly, don't do it..

    What I take away from The Gray Man is that Regé-Jean Page may not be Bond material after all...

    That, too.

    Also my takeaway. He tried to come across as way more threatening than he really was and I saw nothing about him that shouted Bond to me.

    I was also really excited for Evans' performance, and while he's clearly relishing the opportunity to play such a hateful guy, it's funny how rather incompetent and useless he is throughout, especially those Vienna sequences (those golf polos and loafers weren't helping his case either).

    To cast Page would be an egregious blunder. And Evans was fun. His character really was incompetent, though. Was he playing a gay man? I just wonder. Not that it matters.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Martin Freeman as the next Bond?

    I just watched The Gray Man and I don't think there's a whole lot we should take from it when thinking about the future of Bond. The biggest part would probably be: If you can only do a stunt with heavy CGI, but can't really do the CGI convincingly, don't do it..

    What I take away from The Gray Man is that Regé-Jean Page may not be Bond material after all...

    That, too.

    Also my takeaway. He tried to come across as way more threatening than he really was and I saw nothing about him that shouted Bond to me.

    I was also really excited for Evans' performance, and while he's clearly relishing the opportunity to play such a hateful guy, it's funny how rather incompetent and useless he is throughout, especially those Vienna sequences (those golf polos and loafers weren't helping his case either).

    To cast Page would be an egregious blunder. And Evans was fun. His character really was incompetent, though. Was he playing a gay man? I just wonder. Not that it matters.

    Totally agreed.

    And I got those vibes too but didn't seem like a character element they wanted to play up too overtly or anything. It would've been an interesting touch though. I did like how much fun he was clearly having.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Martin Freeman as the next Bond?

    I just watched The Gray Man and I don't think there's a whole lot we should take from it when thinking about the future of Bond. The biggest part would probably be: If you can only do a stunt with heavy CGI, but can't really do the CGI convincingly, don't do it..

    What I take away from The Gray Man is that Regé-Jean Page may not be Bond material after all...

    That, too.

    Also my takeaway. He tried to come across as way more threatening than he really was and I saw nothing about him that shouted Bond to me.

    I was also really excited for Evans' performance, and while he's clearly relishing the opportunity to play such a hateful guy, it's funny how rather incompetent and useless he is throughout, especially those Vienna sequences (those golf polos and loafers weren't helping his case either).

    To cast Page would be an egregious blunder. And Evans was fun. His character really was incompetent, though. Was he playing a gay man? I just wonder. Not that it matters.

    Totally agreed.

    And I got those vibes too but didn't seem like a character element they wanted to play up too overtly or anything. It would've been an interesting touch though. I did like how much fun he was clearly having.

    Ana De Armas wasn't quite "Paloma" in this film, but she came close enough, IMO. Makes me once more regret that she got so little screen time in NTTD.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Martin Freeman as the next Bond?

    I just watched The Gray Man and I don't think there's a whole lot we should take from it when thinking about the future of Bond. The biggest part would probably be: If you can only do a stunt with heavy CGI, but can't really do the CGI convincingly, don't do it..

    What I take away from The Gray Man is that Regé-Jean Page may not be Bond material after all...

    That, too.

    Also my takeaway. He tried to come across as way more threatening than he really was and I saw nothing about him that shouted Bond to me.

    I was also really excited for Evans' performance, and while he's clearly relishing the opportunity to play such a hateful guy, it's funny how rather incompetent and useless he is throughout, especially those Vienna sequences (those golf polos and loafers weren't helping his case either).

    To cast Page would be an egregious blunder. And Evans was fun. His character really was incompetent, though. Was he playing a gay man? I just wonder. Not that it matters.

    Totally agreed.

    And I got those vibes too but didn't seem like a character element they wanted to play up too overtly or anything. It would've been an interesting touch though. I did like how much fun he was clearly having.

    Ana De Armas wasn't quite "Paloma" in this film, but she came close enough, IMO. Makes me once more regret that she got so little screen time in NTTD.

    I love that most unanimously agree that her character and the Cuba sequences in general are some of the greatest parts of the film. I'm in agreement. I can't wait to see her physical skills once more in Ballerina.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Martin Freeman as the next Bond?

    I just watched The Gray Man and I don't think there's a whole lot we should take from it when thinking about the future of Bond. The biggest part would probably be: If you can only do a stunt with heavy CGI, but can't really do the CGI convincingly, don't do it..

    What I take away from The Gray Man is that Regé-Jean Page may not be Bond material after all...

    That, too.

    Also my takeaway. He tried to come across as way more threatening than he really was and I saw nothing about him that shouted Bond to me.

    Yes, I never thought he was suited for Bond anyway. This film confirmed it. As for the film itself - way too much CGI, far too unrealistic. It reminded me a lot of DAD.

    Top Gun Maverick has set the standard now in terms of how action should look (as many real stunts as possible), and also how a film should be paced, emotional impact, etc.

  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Martin Freeman as the next Bond?

    I just watched The Gray Man and I don't think there's a whole lot we should take from it when thinking about the future of Bond. The biggest part would probably be: If you can only do a stunt with heavy CGI, but can't really do the CGI convincingly, don't do it..

    What I take away from The Gray Man is that Regé-Jean Page may not be Bond material after all...

    That, too.

    Also my takeaway. He tried to come across as way more threatening than he really was and I saw nothing about him that shouted Bond to me.

    Yes, I never thought he was suited for Bond anyway. This film confirmed it. As for the film itself - way too much CGI, far too unrealistic. It reminded me a lot of DAD.

    Top Gun Maverick has set the standard now in terms of how action should look (as many real stunts as possible), and also how a film should be paced, emotional impact, etc.

    I agree with this. I think there may be potentially a focus on trying to "one up" the emotional stakes that the Craig era had, it's not that I didn't enjoy it, I just think now it may be best remaining as very much a self contained universe of it's own. Top Gun Maverick proved that you don't need superheroes or a huge franchise to woo audiences. All it needed was a solid action movie with a simple to follow story along with great action set pieces sprinkled with that touch of 80s nostalgia. I would not mind going back to this kind of Bond movie for a while now. Sure, if they want to tie things in then great, but don't make it the hook.
  • Informe_James_BondInforme_James_Bond Dominican Republic
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    For James Bond I would like it to be either a veteran spy with independent stories or also his own saga (sequels but well structured) or they can also return to the 1962-2002 timeline. But I also have no problem with a young Bond, I find interesting the beginnings of the character, his time in the British Royal Navy and everything that happened before Casino Royale. Something like Forever And A Day.

    ;)
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Top Gun Maverick has set the standard now in terms of how action should look (as many real stunts as possible), and also how a film should be paced, emotional impact, etc.

    I think the fact that audiences have responded so well to it will hopefully bring good things to other series.

    Top drawer action as the hook, efficient storytelling as the aftertaste.
  • Top Gun Maverick has set the standard now in terms of how action should look (as many real stunts as possible), and also how a film should be paced, emotional impact, etc.

    I think the fact that audiences have responded so well to it will hopefully bring good things to other series.

    Top drawer action as the hook, efficient storytelling as the aftertaste.

    Efficient is not as desirable as sufficient. I think quality plot and story is more important than action.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Top Gun Maverick has set the standard now in terms of how action should look (as many real stunts as possible), and also how a film should be paced, emotional impact, etc.

    I think the fact that audiences have responded so well to it will hopefully bring good things to other series.

    Top drawer action as the hook, efficient storytelling as the aftertaste.

    Efficient is not as desirable as sufficient. I think quality plot and story is more important than action.

    It depends on the film. The Top Gun sequel is a prime example of simple storytelling done well where the emotional beats compliment the action.
  • Top Gun Maverick has set the standard now in terms of how action should look (as many real stunts as possible), and also how a film should be paced, emotional impact, etc.

    I think the fact that audiences have responded so well to it will hopefully bring good things to other series.

    Top drawer action as the hook, efficient storytelling as the aftertaste.

    Efficient is not as desirable as sufficient. I think quality plot and story is more important than action.

    It depends on the film. The Top Gun sequel is a prime example of simple storytelling done well where the emotional beats compliment the action.

    QoS is also a good example of that and SF a bad one. But nevertheless I’d enjoy something more intricate like CR.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I think SF is a good example, specifically the shootout in Parliament. It's about the emotion.
  • Yeah, I’d say Skyfall does that pretty well, particularly the action sequences later in the film. I think the Matera sequence in No Time To Die would be the best example, IMO.
  • echo wrote: »
    I think SF is a good example, specifically the shootout in Parliament. It's about the emotion.

    But the overall plot suffers because of its over emphasis on simple emotional story beats.

    I didn’t find Silvas revenge tale convincing.
  • edited July 2022 Posts: 2,161
    I buy his angle, to me it’s the climax that doesn’t feel very authentic. The whole bit in the church, save Bond and M’s final words, feels hollow to me. I feel no tension. The two of them standing there in that awkward pose, with M’s finger on the trigger, just waiting for Bond to show up and kill Silva.

    I really do enjoy most of that film, I think it’s an excellent Bond adventrue. But I do not enjoy most of what happens once we get to Skyfall. I like the bit on the ice, that’s about it. I am never a fan of digging into Bond’s past beyond the little bit that Fleming gave us. Thankfully we have that wonderful denouement, possibly the best in the series (CR is hard to top, and OHMSS will always have the inside track).
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Oh, I liked the Kincaid bit quite a lot. I just never bought that Bond was the heir to the estate.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I never sympathized with M dying. She had it coming. She knew her business, blamed others for her mistakes, and paid for it. Good riddance, even after TWINE, no MI6 character should be focused on that much, especially with P & W writing.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    I'm willing to forgive it deviating from Fleming because the Craig-timeline is its own self-contained entity and I think it works within the film. I like that it subverts the formula, instead of Bond going to the villain's lair, the villain comes to Bond's 'lair'. Also it enriches the film themes of legacy and tradition, Bond getting his aim back only once he picks up his father's rifle is a neat touch.

    Although I will say Charmian telling James about his parents' death in SilverFin is much better than hearing that Kincade told him. I guess it stops the priest's tunnel from being solely a plot contrivance but I just never bought that James spent two days down there.
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    Lots of actors getting mentioned with the role, a name which I don't think has come up is
    Antony Starr ,he excellent as Homelander in the Boys and I wasn't aware he's from New Zealand.
    Karl Urban would have made a great Bond ,everything he's in he good .
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    renno61 wrote: »
    Lots of actors getting mentioned with the role, a name which I don't think has come up is
    Antony Starr ,he excellent as Homelander in the Boys and I wasn't aware he's from New Zealand.
    Karl Urban would have made a great Bond ,everything he's in he good .

    I still really want a Dredd sequel with Urban.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Urban is one of the coolest dudes on the planet, imo.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    renno61 wrote: »
    Lots of actors getting mentioned with the role, a name which I don't think has come up is
    Antony Starr ,he excellent as Homelander in the Boys and I wasn't aware he's from New Zealand.
    Karl Urban would have made a great Bond ,everything he's in he good .

    I don't think I could ever unsee Homelander whenever Starr does anything else from now on. Such a distinctive performance.
    He's also too old for Bond.

    I wouldn't mind him in any role in a Bond film, though. Like I said, it's hard to unsee Homelander, but he could do a very good menacing, clinical, torturing henchman.

    And the same goes for Urban. I'd be totally fine if he was in a film as an ally or any type of villain. A slightly more sophisticated Bond paired with Urban as a door-kicking, head-bashing local paramilitary/law enforcement? Could work.
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    Can we have the next Bond film, and therefore the first introduction of the new 007, mirror the opening of Dr No, by which I mean a silent gunbarrel, Bond shoots, and then the full fanfare kicks in. That would be awesome.
  • edited August 2022 Posts: 4,139
    Mallory wrote: »
    Can we have the next Bond film, and therefore the first introduction of the new 007, mirror the opening of Dr No, by which I mean a silent gunbarrel, Bond shoots, and then the full fanfare kicks in. That would be awesome.

    I'd like them to do a gunbarrel with a silhouetted Bond in the style of the Bob Simmons version. While I get that it was essentially used to cover for the fact that it isn't Connery, it gives Bond an air of mystery up until his introduction in DN.

    That said the DN gunbarrel had those weird 'beep beep' and piano sound effects at the beginning, which I've never liked, so I suppose it wasn't completely silent. That and the fact that the theme plays fully into the title sequence immediately after makes it more organic. I feel we'd need something to build up to that fanfare - a slower gun barrel, a few quiet notes or at least a 'Michael G Wilson and Barbara Broccoli presents'.
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