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Yes. I think, of course, that is the end goal.
It's easy for those who are used to having an advantage to feel like they're being disadvantaged when efforts are made to make things fairer.
And let's not forget: all that was said was that it might be nice for a woman to get a job, and we've had two or three pages now of huffing and puffing and people (men) taking issue with that. That kind of shows the issue they still face, doesn't it?
Jinx, Miranda Frost, Vesper, Camille and Dench’s M were much more “well-rounded” than the bullshit they wrote for Naomi Harris, Lashana Lynch and Lea Seydoux.
I want you to know it's nothing personal; I wouldn't take as much issue with your opinions if you didn't always present them as facts from an uberprofessional and talented writer/director that could do things so much better than these filmmakers.
I don’t feel mistreated or disadvantaged whatsoever about the same opportunities being offered to both sexes. All I said in detail was how I felt about it being off to me to base it solely on the sex itself. I also said I’d be happy with a good female director. Don’t try to make me out as the bad guy.
And obviously going back to what Nick said I’m also in favor of giving *more* attention to the problems women are going through, as they are going through *more* problems, it’s logical. All I said there was that men’s issues shouldn’t be treated as less an issue, which isn’t the same as not giving more attention to more problems. If one man and one woman both go through the same horrible thing, neither should be looked at as less or more important than the other. But since women as a collective are facing more specific issues, yes I agree more attention needs to be placed there. I fail to see where I’ve been illogical or bigoted anywhere here.
Nomi was petty and lacked EQ. Eve was a bad field agent and a suck up to James. And Madeleine was a damsel in distress.
That is an ad hominem masquerading as a comment on conversational etiquette. I haven’t presented anything as fact. Jesus Christ.
You're too hung up on the first scene where she says mean things to Bond. I would say the rest of the film very well indicates that Nomi is very strong, and very capable. Not sure what you're referring to by EQ but if you mean her emotional quotient, I'm not 100% sure what that has to do with anything.
Eve was a bad field agent and a suck up to James:
Making mistakes doesn't make a person not strong and capable. And I feel like her entire arc was about how you can be strong and capable and not necessarily be a field agent. She's instrumental in Spectre and NTTD, if not Skyfall.
Madeleine was a damsel in distress:
Not when she was nine years old or whatever. Not when she strikes off and makes her own life after being dumped by Bond. Not when she raises her daughter by herself. Not when she attacks Primo.
I really can't help but feel like you're seeing what you want to see because you need to be validated with regards to your dislike of NTTD. Just say, "I don't like NTTD, my opinion is valid, and it's okay if not everyone agrees with me", and move on.
EDIT: It isn't ad hominem, I'm not talking about who you are/attacking your character like you did with other users, I'm talking about what you're doing. I'm beginning to think this isn't the place to have these conversations.
I mean what was the point of Paloma besides being pretty?
I've seen men 'huffing and puffing' about how the films can be directed by men or women and it's fine, but some don't want people chosen based on their identity. And I've seen you conflating that position with apparently being opposed to a woman directing. I've yet to see anyone say they don't think a woman can or should direct a Bond, but I do skim sometimes.
+1. All the women in NTTD were good characters, and for a variety of reasons for each one.
Yeah, totally, I think so too. They all added something different.
Who drew your profile pic? It’s an awesome representation of Bond.
Jinx was a cartoon.
@FoxRox … not at all. Just different. I honestly don’t see this conversation as “man vs woman (grrr!)”
Presently I’m knee deep in an option of a book.
Leading into this I was reading a genre where both women and men are very prolific. In this very intense and anecdotal experience of mine, I found myself drawn to most of the female writers. They collectively, yet very individually, captured something lacking in the stories that came from men. It was a different understanding of the human condition that captured characters in this genre with far more wit and sophistication (where men would often write characters more as tropes of this particular genre (but excelled in other aspects)); from that was born some genuine sexiness and romanticism definitely lacking in the other novels written by men.
One was not necessarily better than the other. However, one was far more interesting and unique, to me.
I think a talented director, who happens to be a woman, would execute a Bond film with a unique “voice” that we haven’t been exposed to all that often in the action genre….
We are entering a new era for this character. Perhaps it’s time to open up the doors to all talented people (no matter their sex, race, gender, ethnicity)… The world is a big place, and the more voices we can play with and spitball with, I think, the better. Different perspectives from different voices could definitely spur the creative rivers (and Im not implying that this means changing “who” James Bond is. The challenges (and extreme enjoyment) of script writing are there are rules to storytelling; talented writers know how to stay within the boundaries of these rules and still create unique stories. The same applies to James Bond: there are certain archetypal traits to the character, but a talented writer will know how to keep these, while presenting a fresh perspective of who this new 007 is).
True, but the others were still underdeveloped.
It's from one of the 007 comics books. Dunno which one, but I am guessing early Dynamite.
This obviously pertains to lower budget productions.
It seems everyone overcompensates for this with too much camera movement.
Totally agree. I don't think I've seen anything in 60fps (wasn't The Hobbit shown this way or something?) but 24 is the way to go.
Thanks!
I think you've skimmed a bit too much then, because some of that you've said is plain untrue, and some is just missing the point. If you're saying that no-one has taken issue with Mendes' suggestion that it would be good if a woman got the job, I don't know what to say to you.
Dont know what to say? You could have just quoted one. Would have been real easy. I've just seen a few people say they don't want someone chosen because of their identity, like all the folks you replied to. And you're conflating that with something worse, per usual.
Edit: ooh, there's slide_99 with the first. You can go on about him and you'll finally be approaching a point.
That's it.
I'll try: I'd like them to actually continue linking movies up a bit, but maybe with subplots exclusively. The last three films all had MI6 under attack to some extent, or screwing up themselves. That sort of drama can run through the next few films, in the background, but have the widely requested return to standalone stories for the main plots...