Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Posts: 6,710
    CrabKey wrote: »
    For me no Bond film has felt like a Bond film since SC's last outing -- even that barely felt like a Bond film. Not to say that I haven't enjoyed some films by other Bond actors. But's there a quality about the SC era films that has not been captured by other iterations. Perhaps it's just that SC was my first Bond and no one since has been able to take his place, although I do like GL, DC's turn in CR, and TD. I'd like to see the series capture the flavor of the early Bond films. This was a Bond who was confident and assured, not a Bond with with a five story chip on his shoulder. I liked DC as Bond, even if not a fan of four of the five films. Enough of the burdened Bond.

    This, absolutely! The first 4 SC films were truly great. Flawless.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited December 2022 Posts: 5,970
    The only film I'd say doesn't feel like a Bond film at all is Diamonds are Forever.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I can certainly see where you're coming from, but I think maybe John Barry just makes it feel Bondy enough. Quantum of Solace is possibly my non-Bondy Bond.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I'm all for restarting the franchise as period pieces true to the novels, which might actually make them neo-noirs, and in sequence. But it would probably be even more expensive for the producers than competing in the restless action-movie race, while the present younger ADHD generation won't be attracted. So, though I'd love the idea, it won't come to fruition.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    The producers have also said that they won't be doing it, they see Bond as living in the present day.
    Which is how Fleming wrote it, after all.
  • edited December 2022 Posts: 12,516
    It was super advantageous to decades like the 60s, 70s, and 80s to be able to pinpoint “this is Bond, with distinct era flavors for the time setting,” but as we’ve gone through the 90s, 00s, 2010s and 2020s, that aspect of the movies hasn’t been as fun. Not saying older decades were inherently better to live in in every way, or that every older movie was superior (CR is my #1), but those first few seemed to have a much more potent and colorful effect on the movies when they were set. I wouldn’t mind period pieces beginning honestly.
  • Posts: 1,650
    Denbigh wrote: »
    But I think Paris Carver's death worked because of its placement structurally I'm not sure Casino Royale would end with the same punch if it was as simple a scene.

    The passing of Ms Carver hurt even more since she was so real, and so spectacular...
  • Posts: 1,869
    CrabKey wrote: »
    For me no Bond film has felt like a Bond film since SC's last outing -- even that barely felt like a Bond film. Not to say that I haven't enjoyed some films by other Bond actors. But's there a quality about the SC era films that has not been captured by other iterations. Perhaps it's just that SC was my first Bond and no one since has been able to take his place, although I do like GL, DC's turn in CR, and TD. I'd like to see the series capture the flavor of the early Bond films. This was a Bond who was confident and assured, not a Bond with with a five story chip on his shoulder. I liked DC as Bond, even if not a fan of four of the five films. Enough of the burdened Bond.

    I know this is going to sound silly but, what separates SC from the much of the rest of the pack is that he almost never ran anywhere. That is a good part of his self confidences. That creates the appearance of being one step ahead in any situation. I know it won't happen but I'd like to see a new 007 that doesn't run around all the time.
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    delfloria wrote: »
    I know this is going to sound silly but, what separates SC from the much of the rest of the pack is that he almost never ran anywhere. That is a good part of his self confidences. That creates the appearance of being one step ahead in any situation. I know it won't happen but I'd like to see a new 007 that doesn't run around all the time.

    Not silly at all, I know what you mean. I'd much rather the future films reflect the Connery era than the Craig, but they're gonna cater for modern audiences. So christ knows what we'll get with the next Bond. Tastes have changed.
    But back to the running, the scene of CraigBond running down the street with the Tennyson poem was one of my favourite bits of the CraigBond era. It was really clumsy how M started doing poetry when she was in that court scene, but when it cut to CraigBond running, it really worked for me. I felt like the 'hero' aspect of Bond had returned, after the blunt instrument thug stuff in QoS.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I made that observation years ago and wondered what it was all about. Then someone here -- I forgot who it was -- mentioned that when actors in action films are rarely seen running, it's usually because they either
    • don't know how to run well on camera;
    • don't want to run since it's physically very demanding;
    • don't have to run because the film's budget doesn't allow for a good running scene anyway.

    Then I realised that Connery did some running in YOLT, albeit in small doses: the rooftop fight, running from the guards at Osato's, running towards Blofeld's "office" in the volcano, ... He ran from the exploding base in DN, looking for Honey. He ran from the helicopter in FRWL. He ran a bit in the PTS of GF. And so on. But those moments were always short, either because the scene didn't require lengthy running sequences, or because an actor really has to be whipped into shape before he can overcome the natural exhaustion -- and Connery's physique is impressive, but he doesn't strike me as someone who'd have hit the gym in preparation for his next movie.

    Lazenby did a small bit of running, but his running is more like dancing IMO. Moore had a few great running scenes -- especially when chasing Loque in FYEO. Dalton ran with stamina in the PTS of TLD. Brosnan ran when we first saw him in GE.

    Craig portrayed a young version of Bond in CR. And since Cruise had been doing some impressive running in the M:I films, Damon in the Bourne films, and so on, the time was right, I guess, to introduce a running Bond. It paid off too. Craig runs "beautifully" (if that makes sense), and the parkour chase in CR took many an audience member's breath away. (I was there, several times, to witness the awe.) Remember that CR was announced back then as a film that would play more down to earth, with fewer big explosions and car chases, and more focus on Bond himself. When you make this Bond run his lungs out, you create a more subjective perspective. Plus, Craig could do it. Few of his predecessors would have been able to run up a moving crane (hell, Craig barely managed because it is so challenging.) But part of what sold Craig to audiences in '06 was the very fact that he did all these things himself, that he did pull them off, that he didn't have to shy away from Damon or Cruise. That why him running past a straight line of bullets in Venice works: you actually believe that this man can do that. If anyone can, it's this Bond. And since then, the physical stuff has been a staple of the Craig era.

    The next Bond doesn't have to be so athletic in my opinion. Brosnan operated a tank where Craig might have run through St. Petersburg. ;-) But I accepted Brosnan in '95 as easily as I accepted Craig in '06. Being able to give such exhausting physical performances doesn't have to be a part of the job description, IMO. But if the actor can do it, and if he does it well, and if the film knows what to do with the physical stuff, then yes, I'm certainly willing to enjoy it, even if I don't need it in a good Bond film.

    In that sense, @ColonelAdamski, I'm not entirely sure I agree with the "modern audience" comment, though it depends on what we call "modern", of course. ;-) I think that a Bond who runs (well) has been appealing to audiences for forty years or more. Even when poor Roger ('s double) had to run around outside Zorin's castle and through the Silicon Valley tunnels, they were obviously going for more kinetics. And that's, in my opinion, what it's all about: kinetics. One of the most important things that separate the films from the books, in my opinion, is the kinetic element. Fleming wrote some good action scenes, but they were few. (Though he generally wrote briskly, but that's another thing.) Yet since GF, Bond films have been expected to move fast at times. And that's a thing to be proud of too because those fast car chases and dynamically cut fight scenes (PTS OHMSS) were ground-breaking and new back then. Though I get what @delfloria is saying, I'm not sure that a Bond who has to run means that he's less self-confident. The way I see it, his running is merely an extension of the fact that the movie Bond isn't merely a spy, but also the guy who escapes danger and averts big disasters by using speed and stamina in the process. You sort of have to quicken the pulse too, to keep 25 movies interesting, and to compete with contemporary competitors. Either way, is it just modern audiences who like some running, jumping, and ducking away in their movies? I don't know. When I watch some Dirty Harry or Shaft, some Bullitt or The Getaway -- all films from before the mid-'70s -- I'm seeing quite a bit of running, jumping and so on. I'd say that movies of the action / spy genre have simply organically evolved to be like this, with Bond not just falling in line, but also partly pioneering the trend.

    I saw Tinker, Taylor, Soldier, Spy. Obviously a good thriller, but devoid of any action. To be frank, that's not what I'd like my Bonds to be. Action, and with that also an occasionally running Bond, is an integral part of the cocktail I prefer for the Bonds. Just my opinion, of course. ;-)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2022 Posts: 16,578
    delfloria wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    For me no Bond film has felt like a Bond film since SC's last outing -- even that barely felt like a Bond film. Not to say that I haven't enjoyed some films by other Bond actors. But's there a quality about the SC era films that has not been captured by other iterations. Perhaps it's just that SC was my first Bond and no one since has been able to take his place, although I do like GL, DC's turn in CR, and TD. I'd like to see the series capture the flavor of the early Bond films. This was a Bond who was confident and assured, not a Bond with with a five story chip on his shoulder. I liked DC as Bond, even if not a fan of four of the five films. Enough of the burdened Bond.

    I know this is going to sound silly but, what separates SC from the much of the rest of the pack is that he almost never ran anywhere. That is a good part of his self confidences. That creates the appearance of being one step ahead in any situation. I know it won't happen but I'd like to see a new 007 that doesn't run around all the time.

    Nah, he always runs where others walk :)

    (Actually I never liked that lyric! I agree with you: walking where others run makes him sound more on top of things to me)

    Apparently Roger did actually specify that he wouldn’t run onscreen. The reason was… he looked ridiculous. Pretty much the only time you see him running in a Bond is after the Kung Fu bit in MWTGG, and he does look quite silly- he doesn’t seem to be able to take long enough strides. Connery actually ran a fair bit in comparison, unless it was Bob Simmons doing it for him with his round-shouldered, weird shuffling run.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    For me no Bond film has felt like a Bond film since SC's last outing -- even that barely felt like a Bond film. Not to say that I haven't enjoyed some films by other Bond actors. But's there a quality about the SC era films that has not been captured by other iterations. Perhaps it's just that SC was my first Bond and no one since has been able to take his place, although I do like GL, DC's turn in CR, and TD. I'd like to see the series capture the flavor of the early Bond films. This was a Bond who was confident and assured, not a Bond with with a five story chip on his shoulder. I liked DC as Bond, even if not a fan of four of the five films. Enough of the burdened Bond.

    I know this is going to sound silly but, what separates SC from the much of the rest of the pack is that he almost never ran anywhere. That is a good part of his self confidences. That creates the appearance of being one step ahead in any situation. I know it won't happen but I'd like to see a new 007 that doesn't run around all the time.

    Nah, he always runs where others walk :)

    (Actually I never liked that lyric! I agree with you: walking where others run makes him sound more on top of things to me)

    Apparently Roger did actually specify that he wouldn’t run onscreen. The reason was… he looked ridiculous. Pretty much the only time you see him running in a Bond is after the Kung Fu bit in MWTGG, and he does look quite silly- he doesn’t seem to be able to take long enough strides. Connery actually ran a fair bit in comparison, unless it was Bob Simmons doing it for him with his round-shouldered, weird shuffling run.

    If we toss aside the possibility that a stunt double was doing most of the work, I'd say Roger ran quite a bit in FYEO.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2022 Posts: 16,578
    There's a couple of very quick shots of him in the Mercedes bit (and that's certainly not him sprinting up that long stretch of stairs in long shot, as you say! :) )... I can't think of any others? On the beach with the buggies?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    There's a couple of quick shots of him in the Mercedes bit (and that's certainly not him going up the stairs, as you say! :) )... I can't think of any others?

    He ran some from the bikers, and from the attackers on the beach. ;-) Not much, I know. Oh, and let's not forget OP, when he was being mocked by the youngsters in the open car. ;-)

    With Roger, it was almost always small bits of running and possibly not even him, I agree. Compare that to Dalton running like a pro after the jeep with a straight face and cold determination in the PTS of TLD. ;-)
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited December 2022 Posts: 3,155
    Sir Rog would've done more running, but he'd've kept spilling his martini...
    It's weird how something as natural and unconscious as running can be so difficult to do on film without looking daft. Matt Damon benefited from having Franka Potente in The Bourne Identity - she'd obviously done a lot of running in Run Lola Run and looked good doing it. He asked her advice and she said she'd had herself filmed running several times in preparation for it and had gradually ironed out all the awkward and dopey moves she was pulling, until she arrived at what looked good on film. So Damon did the same thing until he found what worked for him. Running and movie running - not the same thing, apparently!
  • Posts: 3,327
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only film I'd say doesn't feel like a Bond film at all is Diamonds are Forever.

    It's silly, stupid yet also rather creepy throughout, and one of my guilty pleasures. It feels more like a Hammer Horror film in parts, with the eerie Barry music, unsettling scenes and characters, with a rather strange atmosphere looming over it.
  • Posts: 1,650
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    For me no Bond film has felt like a Bond film since SC's last outing -- even that barely felt like a Bond film. Not to say that I haven't enjoyed some films by other Bond actors. But's there a quality about the SC era films that has not been captured by other iterations. Perhaps it's just that SC was my first Bond and no one since has been able to take his place, although I do like GL, DC's turn in CR, and TD. I'd like to see the series capture the flavor of the early Bond films. This was a Bond who was confident and assured, not a Bond with with a five story chip on his shoulder. I liked DC as Bond, even if not a fan of four of the five films. Enough of the burdened Bond.

    I know this is going to sound silly but, what separates SC from the much of the rest of the pack is that he almost never ran anywhere. That is a good part of his self confidences. That creates the appearance of being one step ahead in any situation. I know it won't happen but I'd like to see a new 007 that doesn't run around all the time.

    Nah, he always runs where others walk :)

    (Actually I never liked that lyric! I agree with you: walking where others run makes him sound more on top of things to me)

    Apparently Roger did actually specify that he wouldn’t run onscreen. The reason was… he looked ridiculous. Pretty much the only time you see him running in a Bond is after the Kung Fu bit in MWTGG, and he does look quite silly- he doesn’t seem to be able to take long enough strides. Connery actually ran a fair bit in comparison, unless it was Bob Simmons doing it for him with his round-shouldered, weird shuffling run.

    If we toss aside the possibility that a stunt double was doing most of the work, I'd say Roger ran quite a bit in FYEO.

    If I recall correctly, in his James Bond Diary (for Live and Let Die), Moore admitted that he does not look good when running. Too stiff and straight up. He stated it was better to avoid showing it.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Since62 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    For me no Bond film has felt like a Bond film since SC's last outing -- even that barely felt like a Bond film. Not to say that I haven't enjoyed some films by other Bond actors. But's there a quality about the SC era films that has not been captured by other iterations. Perhaps it's just that SC was my first Bond and no one since has been able to take his place, although I do like GL, DC's turn in CR, and TD. I'd like to see the series capture the flavor of the early Bond films. This was a Bond who was confident and assured, not a Bond with with a five story chip on his shoulder. I liked DC as Bond, even if not a fan of four of the five films. Enough of the burdened Bond.

    I know this is going to sound silly but, what separates SC from the much of the rest of the pack is that he almost never ran anywhere. That is a good part of his self confidences. That creates the appearance of being one step ahead in any situation. I know it won't happen but I'd like to see a new 007 that doesn't run around all the time.

    Nah, he always runs where others walk :)

    (Actually I never liked that lyric! I agree with you: walking where others run makes him sound more on top of things to me)

    Apparently Roger did actually specify that he wouldn’t run onscreen. The reason was… he looked ridiculous. Pretty much the only time you see him running in a Bond is after the Kung Fu bit in MWTGG, and he does look quite silly- he doesn’t seem to be able to take long enough strides. Connery actually ran a fair bit in comparison, unless it was Bob Simmons doing it for him with his round-shouldered, weird shuffling run.

    If we toss aside the possibility that a stunt double was doing most of the work, I'd say Roger ran quite a bit in FYEO.

    If I recall correctly, in his James Bond Diary (for Live and Let Die), Moore admitted that he does not look good when running. Too stiff and straight up. He stated it was better to avoid showing it.

    True. Hence what I said a few posts back. The fact of a Bond running or not running isn't entirely a matter of modern vs. old, but rather of the actor looking good running or not (among other things.) Tom Cruise looks good running, while Steven Seagal ran pretty "girly" in his days. Roger wasn't a big runner. Dalton and Craig were a lot better at it. Brosnan ran pretty "cool" too, in the PTS of GE for instance.
  • Posts: 1,650
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    For me no Bond film has felt like a Bond film since SC's last outing -- even that barely felt like a Bond film. Not to say that I haven't enjoyed some films by other Bond actors. But's there a quality about the SC era films that has not been captured by other iterations. Perhaps it's just that SC was my first Bond and no one since has been able to take his place, although I do like GL, DC's turn in CR, and TD. I'd like to see the series capture the flavor of the early Bond films. This was a Bond who was confident and assured, not a Bond with with a five story chip on his shoulder. I liked DC as Bond, even if not a fan of four of the five films. Enough of the burdened Bond.

    I know this is going to sound silly but, what separates SC from the much of the rest of the pack is that he almost never ran anywhere. That is a good part of his self confidences. That creates the appearance of being one step ahead in any situation. I know it won't happen but I'd like to see a new 007 that doesn't run around all the time.

    Nah, he always runs where others walk :)

    (Actually I never liked that lyric! I agree with you: walking where others run makes him sound more on top of things to me)

    Apparently Roger did actually specify that he wouldn’t run onscreen. The reason was… he looked ridiculous. Pretty much the only time you see him running in a Bond is after the Kung Fu bit in MWTGG, and he does look quite silly- he doesn’t seem to be able to take long enough strides. Connery actually ran a fair bit in comparison, unless it was Bob Simmons doing it for him with his round-shouldered, weird shuffling run.

    If we toss aside the possibility that a stunt double was doing most of the work, I'd say Roger ran quite a bit in FYEO.

    If I recall correctly, in his James Bond Diary (for Live and Let Die), Moore admitted that he does not look good when running. Too stiff and straight up. He stated it was better to avoid showing it.

    True. Hence what I said a few posts back. The fact of a Bond running or not running isn't entirely a matter of modern vs. old, but rather of the actor looking good running or not (among other things.) Tom Cruise looks good running, while Steven Seagal ran pretty "girly" in his days. Roger wasn't a big runner. Dalton and Craig were a lot better at it. Brosnan ran pretty "cool" too, in the PTS of GE for instance.

    Yes ! And Brosnan ran hard for quite a stretch on the giant platform in Cuba in the climactic scenes, too. Seagal had -- and, I suppose, has -- a strangely straight-up appearance when running, too, eh ?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Brosnan does his weird choppy hands thing; like most things he's does, it's a little affected.
    I'm sure I heard an actor saying recently how there is such a thing as 'movie running': you've got to alter your style a bit to look good onscreen. Cruise has, of course, perfected that.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Since62 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    For me no Bond film has felt like a Bond film since SC's last outing -- even that barely felt like a Bond film. Not to say that I haven't enjoyed some films by other Bond actors. But's there a quality about the SC era films that has not been captured by other iterations. Perhaps it's just that SC was my first Bond and no one since has been able to take his place, although I do like GL, DC's turn in CR, and TD. I'd like to see the series capture the flavor of the early Bond films. This was a Bond who was confident and assured, not a Bond with with a five story chip on his shoulder. I liked DC as Bond, even if not a fan of four of the five films. Enough of the burdened Bond.

    I know this is going to sound silly but, what separates SC from the much of the rest of the pack is that he almost never ran anywhere. That is a good part of his self confidences. That creates the appearance of being one step ahead in any situation. I know it won't happen but I'd like to see a new 007 that doesn't run around all the time.

    Nah, he always runs where others walk :)

    (Actually I never liked that lyric! I agree with you: walking where others run makes him sound more on top of things to me)

    Apparently Roger did actually specify that he wouldn’t run onscreen. The reason was… he looked ridiculous. Pretty much the only time you see him running in a Bond is after the Kung Fu bit in MWTGG, and he does look quite silly- he doesn’t seem to be able to take long enough strides. Connery actually ran a fair bit in comparison, unless it was Bob Simmons doing it for him with his round-shouldered, weird shuffling run.

    If we toss aside the possibility that a stunt double was doing most of the work, I'd say Roger ran quite a bit in FYEO.

    If I recall correctly, in his James Bond Diary (for Live and Let Die), Moore admitted that he does not look good when running. Too stiff and straight up. He stated it was better to avoid showing it.

    True. Hence what I said a few posts back. The fact of a Bond running or not running isn't entirely a matter of modern vs. old, but rather of the actor looking good running or not (among other things.) Tom Cruise looks good running, while Steven Seagal ran pretty "girly" in his days. Roger wasn't a big runner. Dalton and Craig were a lot better at it. Brosnan ran pretty "cool" too, in the PTS of GE for instance.

    Yes ! And Brosnan ran hard for quite a stretch on the giant platform in Cuba in the climactic scenes, too. Seagal had -- and, I suppose, has -- a strangely straight-up appearance when running, too, eh ?

    Not to hijack another thread with Seagal, but yes, whatever it is, he moves better standing still than running. ;-)

    I admire Brosnan's physique in GE! In fact, he had a few impressive running scenes in all four of his Bond films. Despite being handed poorer scripts than he deserved, he was committed in every way. Too bad that DAD's CGI surfing scene tends to distract us from the level of physicality that he retained during his days as Bond.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    For me no Bond film has felt like a Bond film since SC's last outing -- even that barely felt like a Bond film. Not to say that I haven't enjoyed some films by other Bond actors. But's there a quality about the SC era films that has not been captured by other iterations. Perhaps it's just that SC was my first Bond and no one since has been able to take his place, although I do like GL, DC's turn in CR, and TD. I'd like to see the series capture the flavor of the early Bond films. This was a Bond who was confident and assured, not a Bond with with a five story chip on his shoulder. I liked DC as Bond, even if not a fan of four of the five films. Enough of the burdened Bond.

    I know this is going to sound silly but, what separates SC from the much of the rest of the pack is that he almost never ran anywhere. That is a good part of his self confidences. That creates the appearance of being one step ahead in any situation. I know it won't happen but I'd like to see a new 007 that doesn't run around all the time.

    Nah, he always runs where others walk :)

    (Actually I never liked that lyric! I agree with you: walking where others run makes him sound more on top of things to me)

    Apparently Roger did actually specify that he wouldn’t run onscreen. The reason was… he looked ridiculous. Pretty much the only time you see him running in a Bond is after the Kung Fu bit in MWTGG, and he does look quite silly- he doesn’t seem to be able to take long enough strides. Connery actually ran a fair bit in comparison, unless it was Bob Simmons doing it for him with his round-shouldered, weird shuffling run.

    If we toss aside the possibility that a stunt double was doing most of the work, I'd say Roger ran quite a bit in FYEO.

    If I recall correctly, in his James Bond Diary (for Live and Let Die), Moore admitted that he does not look good when running. Too stiff and straight up. He stated it was better to avoid showing it.

    True. Hence what I said a few posts back. The fact of a Bond running or not running isn't entirely a matter of modern vs. old, but rather of the actor looking good running or not (among other things.) Tom Cruise looks good running, while Steven Seagal ran pretty "girly" in his days. Roger wasn't a big runner. Dalton and Craig were a lot better at it. Brosnan ran pretty "cool" too, in the PTS of GE for instance.

    Yes ! And Brosnan ran hard for quite a stretch on the giant platform in Cuba in the climactic scenes, too. Seagal had -- and, I suppose, has -- a strangely straight-up appearance when running, too, eh ?

    Not to hijack another thread with Seagal, but yes, whatever it is, he moves better standing still than running. ;-)

    I admire Brosnan's physique in GE! In fact, he had a few impressive running scenes in all four of his Bond films. Despite being handed poorer scripts than he deserved, he was committed in every way. Too bad that DAD's CGI surfing scene tends to distract us from the level of physicality that he retained during his days as Bond.

    Or sitting down.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I watched an amusingly cheap Seagal on Prime last year because a podcast I like covered it, and there was a sequence where he was supposed to be a soldier running through a tunnel, and I swear it was a head and shoulders shot of him sitting down in front of a greenscreen, which they were moving the camera a bit to make it look like he was running.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    I watched an amusingly cheap Seagal on Prime last year because a podcast I like covered it, and there was a sequence where he was supposed to be a soldier running through a tunnel, and I swear it was a head and shoulders shot of him sitting down in front of a greenscreen, which they were moving the camera a bit to make it look like he was running.

    That's acting in the 21st century. 🤔😉
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Connery's run in Thunderball Junkanoo festival was hampered by fast editing and the unnecessary background music that mixed in with the actual music from the parade.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Connery was a fantastic runner. His sprint in the GF PTS was effortless. He was gliding.

    Sean was a great, natural athlete.

    Roger had weak glutes, which gave him knobby knees, and flat feet, which made his running a terrible thing to watch. A trick they failed to capitalize on with Moore: he had a huge frame. I'd have stylized his fights as being more aggressive with "blunt force trauma"; kind of like the fight in the belly dancer's room in TMWTGG-- it's not slick, but he threw his big body about and it was more realistic than some of his other unarmed combat scenes.
  • edited December 2022 Posts: 4,283
    To be entirely fair to Moore I don't think he was in quite as good health as the other Bond actors, even in his prime. I know he used to suffer a lot from kidney stones and had a number of childhood illnesses, so that might explain his general lack of athleticism.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I watched an amusingly cheap Seagal on Prime last year because a podcast I like covered it, and there was a sequence where he was supposed to be a soldier running through a tunnel, and I swear it was a head and shoulders shot of him sitting down in front of a greenscreen, which they were moving the camera a bit to make it look like he was running.

    That's acting in the 21st century. 🤔😉

    Seagal's actually always had an odd run.



    Like others have said, there seems to be an art to good movie running.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    peter wrote: »
    Connery was a fantastic runner. His sprint in the GF PTS was effortless. He was gliding.

    Sean was a great, natural athlete.

    Roger had weak glutes, which gave him knobby knees, and flat feet, which made his running a terrible thing to watch. A trick they failed to capitalize on with Moore: he had a huge frame. I'd have stylized his fights as being more aggressive with "blunt force trauma"; kind of like the fight in the belly dancer's room in TMWTGG-- it's not slick, but he threw his big body about and it was more realistic than some of his other unarmed combat scenes.

    It's why his fights against bigger, slower brutes are his best. Tee-hee, Sandor, Jaws, etc. All good, evenly balanced bouts in terms of fighting styles.

    Any time he's up against someone with a bit of flair or speed in his films I find them difficult to watch, as they really should be beating him easily.
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    The fight scene in the dancer's room in TMWTGG is pretty underrated in my opinion. Whenever I watched the film as a kid the moment where Rog grabs one of the goon's head and just starts smashing it against the wall always gave me a weirdly visceral reaction.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    peter wrote: »
    Connery was a fantastic runner. His sprint in the GF PTS was effortless. He was gliding.

    Sean was a great, natural athlete.

    Roger had weak glutes, which gave him knobby knees, and flat feet, which made his running a terrible thing to watch. A trick they failed to capitalize on with Moore: he had a huge frame. I'd have stylized his fights as being more aggressive with "blunt force trauma"; kind of like the fight in the belly dancer's room in TMWTGG-- it's not slick, but he threw his big body about and it was more realistic than some of his other unarmed combat scenes.

    It's why his fights against bigger, slower brutes are his best. Tee-hee, Sandor, Jaws, etc. All good, evenly balanced bouts in terms of fighting styles.

    Any time he's up against someone with a bit of flair or speed in his films I find them difficult to watch, as they really should be beating him easily.

    💯 %^^^
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