Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Similar to Spielberg wanting to direct a Bond in the late 70’s early 80’s.
    I think the same for the likes of Nolan today.
    My thinking is I’d rather have a Bond film from Lee Tamhori, than a Nolan movie with James Bond.
    If that makes sense.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Benny wrote: »
    Similar to Spielberg wanting to direct a Bond in the late 70’s early 80’s.
    I think the same for the likes of Nolan today.
    My thinking is I’d rather have a Bond film from Lee Tamhori, than a Nolan movie with James Bond.
    If that makes sense.

    I think a 70’s/early 80’s, Raiders era Spielberg directed Bond would have been incredible.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Celebrity 'auteur' directors can be a bit hit or miss for Bond, or indeed any big franchise. Even with examples like Christopher Nolan directing his Batman trilogy (heck, even with Tim Burton doing his own Batman films) it was a case where they were at a much earlier point in their career, probably having done a couple of well reviewed or semi-successful films. The fact is when you bring in directors like Wright or Nolan - both of whom are well established, have specific styles, and have enjoyed an immense amount of creative freedom in their recent careers - you're bringing them into a different environment with a Bond film. Just with how collaborative these films can be there might not even be much point in hiring a big name like that. The fact is it's not the director's name that will immediately draw people into the film but the fact that it's a James Bond movie. Such a director will also be more expensive to hire than a less established one, and again may not thrive in that sort of environment. I mean, look at what happened with Danny Boyle, the amount of developmental freedom he had, and indeed the problems which stemmed from just the idea of him having to bring on other writers. I'm sure EON want to avoid that again.

    But then it did work in a big way with Mendes. As you say, hit and miss.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Similar to Spielberg wanting to direct a Bond in the late 70’s early 80’s.
    I think the same for the likes of Nolan today.
    My thinking is I’d rather have a Bond film from Lee Tamhori, than a Nolan movie with James Bond.
    If that makes sense.

    I think a 70’s/early 80’s, Raiders era Spielberg directed Bond would have been incredible.

    I think Spielberg could’ve directed a great Bond movie.
    But is it a Bond movie, or a Spielberg movie?
  • edited March 2023 Posts: 4,162
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Celebrity 'auteur' directors can be a bit hit or miss for Bond, or indeed any big franchise. Even with examples like Christopher Nolan directing his Batman trilogy (heck, even with Tim Burton doing his own Batman films) it was a case where they were at a much earlier point in their career, probably having done a couple of well reviewed or semi-successful films. The fact is when you bring in directors like Wright or Nolan - both of whom are well established, have specific styles, and have enjoyed an immense amount of creative freedom in their recent careers - you're bringing them into a different environment with a Bond film. Just with how collaborative these films can be there might not even be much point in hiring a big name like that. The fact is it's not the director's name that will immediately draw people into the film but the fact that it's a James Bond movie. Such a director will also be more expensive to hire than a less established one, and again may not thrive in that sort of environment. I mean, look at what happened with Danny Boyle, the amount of developmental freedom he had, and indeed the problems which stemmed from just the idea of him having to bring on other writers. I'm sure EON want to avoid that again.

    But then it did work in a big way with Mendes. As you say, hit and miss.

    For what it's worth I see Mendes as slightly different from Nolan or Wright. Mendes is a heavy hitter for sure with some big films under his belt, but I wouldn't say he's a director whose films are marketed off of his name alone. Maybe there's an element of 'from the director of Skyfall and American Beauty', but I don't think people saw, say, 1917 predominantly because he was the director, but instead because of the concept, the big star names involved etc. Whereas Wright and Nolan have some very distinctive stylistic and story features Mendes is more chameleonic. You wouldn't necessarily think that the same director who made American Beauty also directed 1917, Road to Perdition or even Skyfall. He's also a director who mostly works from other people's scripts as opposed to writing his own or having a heavy hand in the stories.

    In that sense while Mendes was more of a big name than previous Bond directors, I do think all of this worked in his favour and was probably considered when he got the job. He had a solid background with drama and action, and was certainly experienced enough to do the script they had justice without overpowering it with any heavy handed 'auteur' quirks. It also came at a point when the franchise probably needed that more confident, but steady hand in the director's chair after what happened with Marc Forster and QOS.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Benny wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Similar to Spielberg wanting to direct a Bond in the late 70’s early 80’s.
    I think the same for the likes of Nolan today.
    My thinking is I’d rather have a Bond film from Lee Tamhori, than a Nolan movie with James Bond.
    If that makes sense.

    I think a 70’s/early 80’s, Raiders era Spielberg directed Bond would have been incredible.

    I think Spielberg could’ve directed a great Bond movie.
    But is it a Bond movie, or a Spielberg movie?

    Well with Indy, although he had tremendous input, wasn’t he executing Lucas’ vision?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2023 Posts: 16,413
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Celebrity 'auteur' directors can be a bit hit or miss for Bond, or indeed any big franchise. Even with examples like Christopher Nolan directing his Batman trilogy (heck, even with Tim Burton doing his own Batman films) it was a case where they were at a much earlier point in their career, probably having done a couple of well reviewed or semi-successful films. The fact is when you bring in directors like Wright or Nolan - both of whom are well established, have specific styles, and have enjoyed an immense amount of creative freedom in their recent careers - you're bringing them into a different environment with a Bond film. Just with how collaborative these films can be there might not even be much point in hiring a big name like that. The fact is it's not the director's name that will immediately draw people into the film but the fact that it's a James Bond movie. Such a director will also be more expensive to hire than a less established one, and again may not thrive in that sort of environment. I mean, look at what happened with Danny Boyle, the amount of developmental freedom he had, and indeed the problems which stemmed from just the idea of him having to bring on other writers. I'm sure EON want to avoid that again.

    But then it did work in a big way with Mendes. As you say, hit and miss.

    For what it's worth I see Mendes as slightly different from Nolan or Wright. Mendes is a heavy hitter for sure with some big films under his belt, but I wouldn't say he's a director whose films are marketed off of his name alone. Maybe there's an element of 'from the director of Skyfall and American Beauty', but I don't think people saw, say, 1917 predominantly because he was the director, but instead because of the concept, the big star names involved etc. Whereas Wright and Nolan have some very distinctive stylistic and story features Mendes is more chameleonic. You wouldn't necessarily think that the same director who made American Beauty also directed 1917, Road to Perdition or even Skyfall. He's also a director who mostly works from other people's scripts as opposed to writing his own or having a heavy hand in the stories.

    Ooh okay, I get what you're saying that a general moviegoing audience will go and see 'the new Nolan film' because of his eye-catching and observable style (and I think that makes him a comparative rarity as I can't think of many others like that; Tarantino, maybe Guy Richie?) but I think to slightly more engaged cinemagoers he's definitely a name: he's certainly won more directing Oscars than Nolan.
    I think of that very small pool of big big name directors that a general filmgoer watching blockbusters will have heard of and will be attracted by for their participation alone, Eon are unlikely to be looking at them.
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    Jaws was a thriller classic. Could have had the same input into Bond.
  • Posts: 4,162
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Celebrity 'auteur' directors can be a bit hit or miss for Bond, or indeed any big franchise. Even with examples like Christopher Nolan directing his Batman trilogy (heck, even with Tim Burton doing his own Batman films) it was a case where they were at a much earlier point in their career, probably having done a couple of well reviewed or semi-successful films. The fact is when you bring in directors like Wright or Nolan - both of whom are well established, have specific styles, and have enjoyed an immense amount of creative freedom in their recent careers - you're bringing them into a different environment with a Bond film. Just with how collaborative these films can be there might not even be much point in hiring a big name like that. The fact is it's not the director's name that will immediately draw people into the film but the fact that it's a James Bond movie. Such a director will also be more expensive to hire than a less established one, and again may not thrive in that sort of environment. I mean, look at what happened with Danny Boyle, the amount of developmental freedom he had, and indeed the problems which stemmed from just the idea of him having to bring on other writers. I'm sure EON want to avoid that again.

    But then it did work in a big way with Mendes. As you say, hit and miss.

    For what it's worth I see Mendes as slightly different from Nolan or Wright. Mendes is a heavy hitter for sure with some big films under his belt, but I wouldn't say he's a director whose films are marketed off of his name alone. Maybe there's an element of 'from the director of Skyfall and American Beauty', but I don't think people saw, say, 1917 predominantly because he was the director, but instead because of the concept, the big star names involved etc. Whereas Wright and Nolan have some very distinctive stylistic and story features Mendes is more chameleonic. You wouldn't necessarily think that the same director who made American Beauty also directed 1917, Road to Perdition or even Skyfall. He's also a director who mostly works from other people's scripts as opposed to writing his own or having a heavy hand in the stories.

    Ooh okay, I get what you're saying that a general moviegoing audience will go and see 'the new Nolan film' because of his eye-catching and observable style (and I think that makes him a comparative rarity as I can't think of many others like that; Tarantino, maybe Guy Richie?) but I think to slightly more engaged cinemagoers he's definitely a name: he's certainly won more directing Oscars than Nolan.
    I think of that very small pool of big big name directors that a general filmgoer watching blockbusters will have heard of and will be attracted by for their participation alone, Eon are unlikely to be looking at them.

    Yeah, it's a a relatively small pool of directors who can market a film off their name and general 'style'. I don't mind established, more big name directors doing a Bond film, but it has to be the right fit. Like I said I think Mendes was better suited to the franchise for the reasons I listed than Danny Boyle, who again had problems which seemed to stem from him having to relinquish a degree of control over the film.

    At the end of the day EON just need to find the right director who they can work with and will be able to do the story they want to tell justice. Perhaps Nolan is the man to do that, perhaps not.
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    Interesting to see how a lot of people are against the idea of nolan directing Bond. I always thought he was a popular choice among fans.

    Sure, but that was 10 years ago when he was high off of Batman. Fans started seeing what he did after and became less enthusiastic about a Nolan Bond film.

    That's how I feel about Nolan now. After The Batman triology and then Interstellar, the man could do no wrong, and I thought he would be perfect for Bond.

    But as others here have said, Tenet really tarnished his image as the perfect film maker. That was his Spielberg-1941 moment.

    I thought Dunkirk was a good film, but not particularly memorable. If he is chosen to do the next Bond film though, he can't do any worse than every director we have had since Campbell left the scene after CR.

    I don't rate any of the directors we have had since CR (yes, including Mendes). QoS was a bit of a mess - too pretentious, intercut with Bourne shaky cam, SF was very dark, gloomy and slow paced, SP was abysmal and NTTD - well, the less said about that, the better.

    Really the script will dictate the direction. Decent script means we will most likely get a decent film, whoever is at the helm, as Bond is a franchise and the director's always have a constrained frame to work within.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Before the likes of Marc Forster, Roger Spottiswode or Michael Apted were chosen, did anyone suggest them as potential Bond directors.
    Forster in particular made a fan favourite in QOS, not all fans, but a film that has split many of the longtime fan base.
    Similarly so has CJF.
    Given the right script and a strong story many directors could handle a Bond film.
    A STRONG. Story with a good script will go a long way towards that. Take CR and GE. Both debut films, both potentially the best films for many years. Despite the popularity of SF or QOS.
  • Posts: 3,327
    Benny wrote: »
    Before the likes of Marc Forster, Roger Spottiswode or Michael Apted were chosen, did anyone suggest them as potential Bond directors.
    Forster in particular made a fan favourite in QOS, not all fans, but a film that has split many of the longtime fan base.
    Similarly so has CJF.
    Given the right script and a strong story many directors could handle a Bond film.
    A STRONG. Story with a good script will go a long way towards that. Take CR and GE. Both debut films, both potentially the best films for many years. Despite the popularity of SF or QOS.

    I agree. I'd be more than happy if Campbell returned to do a third.
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    All good things come in threes! Campbell could have a co-director with him if he's too old.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Understandably age comes up when discussing Campbell, but at this point I don’t think that’s an issue.
    In recent videos he looks fit , vital and sharp.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Count me in for Campbell doing his third Bond introduction in a row. Regardless of his recent output, the man simply gets Bond and I've no doubt he'd knock it out of the park again. He deserves another hit this late in his career.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    I've seen a couple of Campbell's recent films, though. They weren't terrible, but they were only standard thriller fare, tbh. We need more than that, especially for a new Bond's debut. He could transcend his recent work and rise to the occasion with it being Bond, I guess?
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    I’m all for Martin Campbell again.
    …But still think it’s going to be Nolan.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I like Gareth Evans for the job. He’s been proposed several times because he’s done well with action sequences in the past. He would need a good scriptwriter, but I think that’s true for most directors.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited March 2023 Posts: 3,789
    I think the Producers would've likely to get a small time director like Fukunaga.

    I don't see Nolan, it's unlikely, the same for Wright, aside from availability, it also depends on the tone of the next Bond film, and the outcome of the previous Bond film.

    Probably there's a possibility that they would hire Fukunaga to direct another Bond film, NTTD after all did great in the box office and met fairly good reviews from critics.

    The Bond Franchise has always been rehiring directors, like John Glen, or Sam Mendes.

    Some directors didn't continued because either the Producers are heading to a different direction (Tamahori despite of the box office success of DAD, got some bad critical reviews, so they opted for a new tone, the same for Peter Hunt after OHMSS), or the Box office aren't that successful (Roger Spottiswoode, Michael Apted aren't able to continue due their directed Bond films not performing well in the box office, same for John Glen with LTK), or the unavailability, I think this is the reason why Hamilton didn't came back to direct Thunderball, despite of Goldfinger being a successful Bond film, the same for Terrence Young not coming back after Thunderball.

    So with No Time To Die, given that it performed very well in the box office, got good critical reviews and the Producers (Barbara, I think still wanting to continue the tone of the Craig Era, as she said in an interview, " would be more in touch with his feelings", and the reinvention), I think it's possible that they would hire Fukunaga again for Bond 26.

    As much as I don't want Fukunaga to come back (not a fan of NTTD), but it's the most possible situation.

    Or if not Fukunaga, probably another small time, indie film director, the possible contender I see is Chinonye Chukwu (she's the director of the film, Till, she's involved with Barbara in making that film, so there's a possibility that she would hire her to direct the next Bond film, given also the diversity thing).

    The Cinematographer would likely to be Larkin Sieple (the cinematographer of Everything, Everywhere, All At Once, and Top Gun: Maverick, so he's probably the most possible choice to do the Cinematography of Bond 26).

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    I think the Producers would've likely to get a small time director like Fukunaga.

    I don't see Nolan, it's unlikely, the same for Wright, aside from availability, it also depends on the tone of the next Bond film, and the outcome of the previous Bond film.

    Probably there's a possibility that they would hire Fukunaga to direct another Bond film, NTTD after all did great in the box office and met fairly good reviews from critics.

    The Bond Franchise has always been rehiring directors, like John Glen, or Sam Mendes.

    Some directors didn't continued because either the Producers are heading to a different direction (Tamahori despite of the box office success of DAD, got some bad critical reviews, so they opted for a new tone, the same for Peter Hunt after OHMSS), or the Box office aren't that successful (Roger Spottiswoode, Michael Apted aren't able to continue due their directed Bond films not performing well in the box office, same for John Glen with LTK), or the unavailability, I think this is the reason why Hamilton didn't came back to direct Thunderball, despite of Goldfinger being a successful Bond film, the same for Terrence Young not coming back after Thunderball.

    So with No Time To Die, given that it performed very well in the box office, got good critical reviews and the Producers (Barbara, I think still wanting to continue the tone of the Craig Era, as she said in an interview, " would be more in touch with his feelings", and the reinvention), I think it's possible that they would hire Fukunaga again for Bond 26.

    As much as I don't want Fukunaga to come back (not a fan of NTTD), but it's the most possible situation.

    Fukunaga won’t come back due to legal issues.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited March 2023 Posts: 3,152
    It's certainly possible. Won't those recent allegations have made it less likely, though? It's guaranteed that Paul Haggis won't be involved in the writing, but there's a big difference between claims of unsavoury behaviour and an actual rape conviction, so could Fukunaga still get a second go? Dunno how EON would view it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Ms Broccoli is very active with feminism in the movie industry: I'd be surprised if she went anywhere near that.
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    As long as Broccoli and Wilson are producing the films, the films will reflect the sensibilities and vision of the Bond actor, director and production team that they hire than their own vision of 007. Good or bad, they let their teams do their jobs once preproduction starts. This why I would welcome a Campbell over a Nolan any day.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    A strong script with a craftsman director and a great editor seems like a good combination.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    talos7 wrote: »
    A strong script with a craftsman director and a great editor seems like a good combination.

    And don't forget an awesome second unit...
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited March 2023 Posts: 8,399
    I would take Campbell in a heartbeat, I just don't think it's very likely at this stage that EON would go for him. Hope I'm wrong though. I've seen the protege and the foreigner - they were the surprisingly good! He definitely still has the nack.

    Campbell and Arnold returning would be a dream come true. :x
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Campbell isn’t a guarantee. His 2/2 could become 2/3 if the script doesn’t deliver.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    peter wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    A strong script with a craftsman director and a great editor seems like a good combination.

    And don't forget an awesome second unit...

    Absolutely, and composer. Lol.

    I guess my point is that a great script is vital.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited March 2023 Posts: 3,789
    mtm wrote: »
    Ms Broccoli is very active with feminism in the movie industry: I'd be surprised if she went anywhere near that.

    Yes, that's why there's a possibility that Chinonye Chukwu, the director of Till could possibly be a contender to direct Bond 26, given that she also worked with Barbara in that film too, and yes, she (Barbara) supports Feminism, and diversity (when it comes to other race).
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