Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • We as Bond fans have plenty of content to enjoy, even outside EON. For example, my plan to get through this period is to go through the all the Daily Express comics, the Dynamite Comics run (what’s out so far), the Manga adaptations from the 1960s, continue reading the Fleming books, and go through all the video games in anticipation of Project 007. That’s plenty enough to keep my enthusiasm for Bond present regardless of news on the film front.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Based on recent revelations...
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    ...I will now go and sit in the corner, and re-evaluate my life.
    ~X( %-( :-SS :-w
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Benny wrote: »
    Based on recent revelations...
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    rgr165v8ov3w.jpg


    ...I will now go and sit in the corner, and re-evaluate my life.
    ~X( %-( :-SS :-w

    Oh my! @Benny tell us who it is.....

    Is this a blind item?! 😱
  • Posts: 976
    Benny wrote: »
    ...I will now go and sit in the corner, and re-evaluate my life.
    ~X( %-( :-SS :-w
    You used to say live and let live...
  • I want to see Bond smoking again. I'm a non smoker myself but it's a very Fleming characteristic.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I want to see Bond smoking again. I'm a non smoker myself but it's a very Fleming characteristic.

    I'm very confident that's not going to happen. I wouldn't mind either, even as a non-smoker myself, but I honestly think that a smoking Bond is firmly a thing of the past.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    It's funny. I thought Bond was going to smoke in NTTD, because of those pics on set in Jamaica.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited April 2023 Posts: 3,800
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I want to see Bond smoking again. I'm a non smoker myself but it's a very Fleming characteristic.

    I'm very confident that's not going to happen. I wouldn't mind either, even as a non-smoker myself, but I honestly think that a smoking Bond is firmly a thing of the past.

    But so was also the booze and womanizing.

    And Craig's Bond did also took some drugs, most obviously in Skyfall.

    It's fine, I guess, even just a cigar, I would've accept, and in some rare occasions, not too much.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    It's funny. I thought Bond was going to smoke in NTTD, because of those pics on set in Jamaica.

    Yeah me too mate. So those set photos of Daniel smoking a cigar must have been off camera
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    It's funny. I thought Bond was going to smoke in NTTD, because of those pics on set in Jamaica.

    Yeah me too mate. So those set photos of Daniel smoking a cigar must have been off camera

    There is a cigar on screen. It's how he knows Felix is there. They likely just had someone on set get some ash going for the shot, maybe it was Daniel in those photos.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    I want to see Bond smoking again. I'm a non smoker myself but it's a very Fleming characteristic.

    Agreed! Been saying this for years.
    If anything, highlight his imperfections and vices to demonstrate that Bond is not some role model or superhero.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I doubt it’ll be brought back. Bond constantly smoking cigarettes was more of a Fleming Bond thing than cinematic Bond thing. Connery Bond only occasionally had a cigarette in his films. Moore never had any. Dalton tried to bring it back, and that was it. It’s been 34 years since we saw Bond with a cigarette and I doubt Barbara Broccoli will change that rule. Heck, she wouldn’t even change her stance when Craig wanted it for his Bond. If she won’t give Craig cigarettes, I doubt she’ll ever give any Bond that.

    And I’m okay with it. I never feel like I’m missing anything vital when Bond isn’t smoking cigs during the last 30 years.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Bond smoking today would just be a dead giveaway for him.

    Picture Bond sneaking around in some kind of high security, non smoking facility. Patrolling guards smell smoke coming from a hallway. They go to investigate and find Bond. Busted.

    Villain: "You almost figured out my plan Mr. Bond but your filthy habit got the better of you. We smelled you coming a mile away!"

    :D
  • Posts: 1,864
    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    The great thing about being an original Bond fan is we were there for the beginning of it all. As has been often repeated here it was new, exciting, and hasn't been recaptured. It was a moment like The Beatles. It burned brightly for a while and the moment passed to be replaced by something else that has never felt quite as original or exciting since.

    Things often seem more exciting and world-changing when you’re a kid and less so when you’re older though.
    People your age now in ‘62 likely wouldn’t have been massively interested in Dr No then.

    But when Goldfinger arrived, it did change the world and the re-release of DN and FRWL couldn't come fast enough. Bond's influence was felt everywhere and for almost every age.

    Sure, in the context of the time it came out. But those old films don’t play the same way they do today for newer generations. I’m sure CASINO ROYALE will not seem all that novel to new viewers in the 2060s.

    But that is the point I am making. At the time Goldfinger was released no one had ever seen a film like that. It was a worldwide game changer. Yes, the same cannot be said of the eras that followed including CR.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    delfloria wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    The great thing about being an original Bond fan is we were there for the beginning of it all. As has been often repeated here it was new, exciting, and hasn't been recaptured. It was a moment like The Beatles. It burned brightly for a while and the moment passed to be replaced by something else that has never felt quite as original or exciting since.

    Things often seem more exciting and world-changing when you’re a kid and less so when you’re older though.
    People your age now in ‘62 likely wouldn’t have been massively interested in Dr No then.

    But when Goldfinger arrived, it did change the world and the re-release of DN and FRWL couldn't come fast enough. Bond's influence was felt everywhere and for almost every age.

    Sure, in the context of the time it came out. But those old films don’t play the same way they do today for newer generations. I’m sure CASINO ROYALE will not seem all that novel to new viewers in the 2060s.

    But that is the point I am making. At the time Goldfinger was released no one had ever seen a film like that. It was a worldwide game changer. Yes, the same cannot be said of the eras that followed including CR.

    I’m talking about the present time, not 60 years ago.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited April 2023 Posts: 698
    I wouldn't mind Bond having an occasional smoke, like if he's weathering the cold or something. Both Brosnan and Craig actually look more traditionally Bondian with cigarettes.
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  • Posts: 1,864
    mtm wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    The great thing about being an original Bond fan is we were there for the beginning of it all. As has been often repeated here it was new, exciting, and hasn't been recaptured. It was a moment like The Beatles. It burned brightly for a while and the moment passed to be replaced by something else that has never felt quite as original or exciting since.

    Things often seem more exciting and world-changing when you’re a kid and less so when you’re older though.
    People your age now in ‘62 likely wouldn’t have been massively interested in Dr No then.

    But when Goldfinger arrived, it did change the world and the re-release of DN and FRWL couldn't come fast enough. Bond's influence was felt everywhere and for almost every age.

    I think that’s overstating it. I’m sure lots of folk weren’t interested at all.

    Whether some people were not interested didn't matter. Even those people could not escape the daily deluge of everything coming out of the Goldfinger inspired "Spy Craze" of the the mid '60s. Bond and his films, merchandise, lifestyle, spinoffs and send ups were EVERYWHERE. It was a part of the world culture.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited April 2023 Posts: 3,800
    I don't mind Bond smoking really, in necessary occasions, for example, when he's in a Casino gambling, or when driving a car like that in OHMSS PTS, or when he's in a restaurant drinking his martini, or like what I've said, it could be a cigar for a more lighter approach.

    It's still one of the aspects of the character, he's not just a generic action hero like Bourne, Wick or Ethan Hunt.

    This is James Bond, he had his own characteristics, he womanize, drinks a lot like there's no tomorrow, smokes, and gamble.

    That's his distinction, whether it's negative or positive, that's him, he's not clean.

    If any, they should change James Bond entirely, remove his womanizing ways, don't have him sex with different women available in the room, reduce his drinking, booze, remove his vices.

    Changing the Bond character is no different to rewriting the Fleming books for censorship.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    If we don't get some kind of announcement by 20 April, no Bond 26 until 2038 (at the earliest!)

    Then I'm positively done with James Bond! And I'll be here every day between now and 2038 repeating why. ;-)

    I don’t think that the possibility of a prolonged gap between NTTD and Bond 26 will have much impact for the folks here. As Bond diehards, we do have 25 (or 27) films to re-screen and analyze, novels to read or re-read and numerous soundtracks to listen to. For the typical movie goer (especially here in the US, IMO), however, things may not be that simple. The expression: “Out of sight … out of mind”, comes to mind.

    While I suspect there will be a ton of media and social media buzz (a circus, if you will) over the selection of Bond #7, my fear is that it will actually overwhelm the resulting film. Again, there is no danger of that happening for Bond fans, but for the average person …. Well, we’ll see.

    The Bond series has been a legacy franchise for some time now, and as with most on-going legacies it is often taken for granted even under the best of circumstances.

    Ironically, I’ve often wondered what would have happened it the franchise had taken another year off between AVTAK and TLD in order to position Dalton as more of a clean break with the Moore era. Now, my concern is just the opposite. In short, three years or so, between films is fine, but five or six may be a bridge to far.

    Again, a lot of things can happen between now and 2026 (or 2027), so my fears may or may not pan out, and – for the record – this is really a US centric viewpoint.

    My two cents, anyway.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    It's funny. I thought Bond was going to smoke in NTTD, because of those pics on set in Jamaica.

    Yeah me too mate. So those set photos of Daniel smoking a cigar must have been off camera

    Yeah. I'm a non-smoker. But smoking does give Bond that irreverent attitude towards things and also makes him more stylish. I don't know if Connery's Bond introduction and his utterance of the famous words at the casino in Dr. No would have had the same effect, if he didn't have a cigarette in his mouth, as he said the words.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
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    Regardless of how one may feel about smoking and smokers in real life, it does look great on screen. There's a reason it's such a popular image with student filmmakers. I wanted to use them in a film I worked on which was set in the 60s, but was given a very firm 'no'.
  • edited April 2023 Posts: 2,161
    I agree. It looks good.
  • Posts: 2,022
    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    The great thing about being an original Bond fan is we were there for the beginning of it all. As has been often repeated here it was new, exciting, and hasn't been recaptured. It was a moment like The Beatles. It burned brightly for a while and the moment passed to be replaced by something else that has never felt quite as original or exciting since.

    Things often seem more exciting and world-changing when you’re a kid and less so when you’re older though.
    People your age now in ‘62 likely wouldn’t have been massively interested in Dr No then.

    But when Goldfinger arrived, it did change the world and the re-release of DN and FRWL couldn't come fast enough. Bond's influence was felt everywhere and for almost every age.

    I think that’s overstating it. I’m sure lots of folk weren’t interested at all.

    Whether some people were not interested didn't matter. Even those people could not escape the daily deluge of everything coming out of the Goldfinger inspired "Spy Craze" of the the mid '60s. Bond and his films, merchandise, lifestyle, spinoffs and send ups were EVERYWHERE. It was a part of the world culture.

    Like Everything. Everywhere. All at Once. Not the earth shaker it was heralded to be. Even Craig's Bond films. A lot of people no doubt not interested. In fact a whole lot of stuff that passes for new and trendy just isn't.

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    As a non smoker as well, I have no problem with Bond smoking because "everyday's his last".
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    The great thing about being an original Bond fan is we were there for the beginning of it all. As has been often repeated here it was new, exciting, and hasn't been recaptured. It was a moment like The Beatles. It burned brightly for a while and the moment passed to be replaced by something else that has never felt quite as original or exciting since.

    Things often seem more exciting and world-changing when you’re a kid and less so when you’re older though.
    People your age now in ‘62 likely wouldn’t have been massively interested in Dr No then.

    But when Goldfinger arrived, it did change the world and the re-release of DN and FRWL couldn't come fast enough. Bond's influence was felt everywhere and for almost every age.

    I think that’s overstating it. I’m sure lots of folk weren’t interested at all.

    Whether some people were not interested didn't matter. Even those people could not escape the daily deluge of everything coming out of the Goldfinger inspired "Spy Craze" of the the mid '60s. Bond and his films, merchandise, lifestyle, spinoffs and send ups were EVERYWHERE. It was a part of the world culture.

    Like Everything. Everywhere. All at Once. Not the earth shaker it was heralded to be. Even Craig's Bond films. A lot of people no doubt not interested. In fact a whole lot of stuff that passes for new and trendy just isn't.

    I’d say the jury is out on that film. It’ll either be forgotten in a few years or be to millennials what MIDNIGHT COWBOY was to boomers, completely changing preconceptions of what an Oscar winning film is. At least in my theater the audience was engaged in a way I don’t typically see in award winning films. At least not for awhile.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 2023 Posts: 16,574
    It's funny. I thought Bond was going to smoke in NTTD, because of those pics on set in Jamaica.

    I'm sure he was going to as in those photos he was skinning a fish to feed a cat: that would have been a scene to show Bond's life. Much like the stuff with the harpoon gun, it didn't make it to the film. Maybe showing him smoking a cigar confused the discovery of Felix's cigar- we would have just thought it was one of Bond's and the reason for his shock would be unclear.

    A cigar would be fine, I don't want him smoking cigarettes. I think it would make him look weak today. Cigarettes are more cinematic shorthand for desperation and lack of willpower nowadays than they were: characters could look cool but it doesn't really work now. I must admit when I watch the scenes in Blayden in TLD with Tim puffing away during a meeting, it's hard not to look at it with today's mindset of 'couldn't he just wait for ten minutes? Is he that desperate?'.
    delfloria wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    The great thing about being an original Bond fan is we were there for the beginning of it all. As has been often repeated here it was new, exciting, and hasn't been recaptured. It was a moment like The Beatles. It burned brightly for a while and the moment passed to be replaced by something else that has never felt quite as original or exciting since.

    Things often seem more exciting and world-changing when you’re a kid and less so when you’re older though.
    People your age now in ‘62 likely wouldn’t have been massively interested in Dr No then.

    But when Goldfinger arrived, it did change the world and the re-release of DN and FRWL couldn't come fast enough. Bond's influence was felt everywhere and for almost every age.

    Sure, in the context of the time it came out. But those old films don’t play the same way they do today for newer generations. I’m sure CASINO ROYALE will not seem all that novel to new viewers in the 2060s.

    But that is the point I am making. At the time Goldfinger was released no one had ever seen a film like that. It was a worldwide game changer. Yes, the same cannot be said of the eras that followed including CR.


    It's not unlike North By Northwest. It was an evolution.
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    mtm wrote: »
    It's funny. I thought Bond was going to smoke in NTTD, because of those pics on set in Jamaica.

    I'm sure he was going to as in those photos he was skinning a fish to feed a cat: that would have been a scene to show Bond's life. Much like the stuff with the harpoon gun, it didn't make it to the film. Maybe showing him smoking a cigar confused the discovery of Felix's cigar- we would have just thought it was one of Bond's and the reason for his shock would be unclear.

    A cigar would be fine, I don't want him smoking cigarettes. I think it would make him look weak today. Cigarettes are more cinematic shorthand for desperation and lack of willpower nowadays than they were: characters could look cool but it doesn't really work now. I must admit when I watch the scenes in Blayden in TLD with Tim puffing away during a meeting, it's hard not to look at it with today's mindset of 'couldn't he just wait for ten minutes? Is he that desperate?'.

    I'd be happy seeing Bond with a cigar for the next one. Moore smoked them frequently, and Brozza had one in DAD. I think they can look cool in the right occasion. I don't think they have the same connotations as cigarettes.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 2023 Posts: 16,574
    Yep, same here. They're more an occasional luxury item you'll see a character relaxing with. That CraigBond would have been smoking one after fishing in Jamaica seems fine: it would have shown that he's at rest and content. I don't want him smoking one all the time though.
    Moore only had them in the Hamilton films, didn't he?
  • Posts: 3,327
    mtm wrote: »
    Yep, same here. They're more an occasional luxury item you'll see a character relaxing with. That CraigBond would have been smoking one after fishing in Jamaica seems fine: it would have shown that he's at rest and content. I don't want him smoking one all the time though.
    Moore only had them in the Hamilton films, didn't he?

    Yes, I can't recall any after that.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    The actors are so much more physical today that watching them puff on a cigarette would take me out of the film entirely.

    If Craig was going to get in the shape he needed to be in, to play his version of Bond, the first thing his trainer made him do was to quit smoking.

    Same with the character. I would never believe a smoker would be able to do half the things that Bond does.

    It’s a terrible habit and makes one look desperate and weak mentally (as well as physically), as @mtm mentioned earlier.

    I could go with smoking a leisurely cigar in downtime. But that’s about it.

    And thankfully I don’t think we will see James Bond smoke ever again.l (RIP).
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