Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Posts: 3,327
    Anyone who thinks NTTD is a good Bond movie shouldn't be allowed to write a Bond book. Ever.

    I corrected your post so it makes a bit more sense to Planet Earth in general.... ;)

    Too bad you're wrong because NTTD is an objectively good movie and anyone who studied movie making (I did) knows this, but to each one their own. Some people believe vaccines will make you autistic and some believe that homosexuality is a disease; they're objectively wrong according to science but they still believe it, so feel free to think what you want :)

    I take it you failed your movie studies course. 😜
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I just realized that the reason a lot Bond fans around the world are impatient for Bond 26 is, NTTD didn't strike the right notes for them. I think fans were still enjoying CR when QoS was about to come out and fans were still enjoying SF when SP was about to come out as well. But with NTTD, it seems after viewing it a few times, looking forward to Bond 26 immensely, was and is still the next thing. We shouldn't feel great hunger for Bond 26, if NTTD was the great lengthy film it was striving to be. Sometimes, I wonder what's in the film that makes it so long....nothing that extraordinary to be honest....just a few great scenes with Craig's Bond.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    For myself, it's because I'm hoping to see at least three more Bond films before I kark it, man! ;)
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I once knew someone who used to say "there's no such thing as good or bad when it comes to films. There are only opinions..."

    (Worth noting I hated this person's movie choices, but it's interesting to think about).

    Was it Siskel or Ebert?
  • edited May 2023 Posts: 4,139
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I once knew someone who used to say "there's no such thing as good or bad when it comes to films. There are only opinions..."

    (Worth noting I hated this person's movie choices, but it's interesting to think about).

    Was it Siskel or Ebert?

    No, interestingly not as far as I know! Worth saying beyond reading Ebert's reviews I've never seen an episode of Sickle and Ebert's show (way too before my time. I'm really only familiar with Mark Kermode's radio reviews/tv shows and some random youtube reruns of Moviedromes with Mark Cousins, and of course his brilliant Story of Film series).
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited May 2023 Posts: 682
    Anyone who thinks NTTD is a good Bond movie shouldn't be allowed to write a Bond book. Ever.

    I corrected your post so it makes a bit more sense to Planet Earth in general.... ;)

    Too bad you're wrong because NTTD is an objectively good movie and anyone who studied movie making (I did) knows this, but to each one their own. Some people believe vaccines will make you autistic and some believe that homosexuality is a disease; they're objectively wrong according to science but they still believe it, so feel free to think what you want :)

    I've always found people to be generally quite polite and measured on this forum, so it's amusing to see a comment like this one that's completely unironically bats**t. Just a reminder that this is still the internet after all.
  • Posts: 3,327
    Anyone who thinks NTTD is a good Bond movie shouldn't be allowed to write a Bond book. Ever.

    I corrected your post so it makes a bit more sense to Planet Earth in general.... ;)

    Too bad you're wrong because NTTD is an objectively good movie and anyone who studied movie making (I did) knows this, but to each one their own. Some people believe vaccines will make you autistic and some believe that homosexuality is a disease; they're objectively wrong according to science but they still believe it, so feel free to think what you want :)

    I've always found people to be generally quite polite and measured on this forum, so it's amusing to see a comment like this one that's completely unironically bats**t. Just a reminder that this is still the internet after all.

    Yep, it takes all sorts. And a reminder that there are people out there with very strange views indeed.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2023 Posts: 16,383
    Venutius wrote: »
    For myself, it's because I'm hoping to see at least three more Bond films before I kark it, man! ;)

    I can lend you my boxset... ? :D
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    Three more, @mtm, three more. New ones.

    The way things are going, I'd settle for the one, albeit a stellar one, GE/CR kind of stellar, I mean.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    mtm wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    For myself, it's because I'm hoping to see at least three more Bond films before I kark it, man! ;)

    I can lend you my boxset... ? :D

    :)) But, yes, new ones, I should've said!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2023 Posts: 16,383
    Venutius wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    For myself, it's because I'm hoping to see at least three more Bond films before I kark it, man! ;)

    I can lend you my boxset... ? :D

    :)) But, yes, new ones, I should've said!

    Aaaah! :P
    (I'm glad you understood the joke, unlike certain others ;)) )
  • edited May 2023 Posts: 6,709
    edited...why bother...
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I’m watching Skyfall… and I’m truly wondering, is there one actor today that could have nailed the scene with Severine at the bar in the Casino? I can watch this one scene a thousand times over and still be moved and entertained at the same time… one of the best scenes in the entire series.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    peter wrote: »
    I’m watching Skyfall… and I’m truly wondering, is there one actor today that could have nailed the scene with Severine at the bar in the Casino? I can watch this one scene a thousand times over and still be moved and entertained at the same time… one of the best scenes in the entire series.

    None, I'm afraid, again, like what I've said, maybe it's a matter of taste or subjectivity, they all felt generic to me and a copy of one another.

    And I think that particular scene was written with Craig in mind, so his style really fits in it that none of us couldn't see other actors playing that same scene.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited May 2023 Posts: 9,509
    Continuing to watch Skyfall… I’m at the hearing scene, where Bond comes to save the day: Craig, like Connery, is such a physical actor. And Craig, more so than Connery; my wife is a Masters Level Pilates and Movement Specialist ; every time she sees Craig move she always comments how he “moves with purpose; he’s always engaged, in tune. Whatever he feels, his body moves in the emotional pattern (of the nervous system)”.

    High praise, that I wholly agree with.

    Combining his physical work, with the abundance of artistic talent…. Who is ready to take over— not just the character, but Craig’s shadow?…. The next actor, beyond anything, has to be FEARLESS…
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    peter wrote: »
    I’m watching Skyfall… and I’m truly wondering, is there one actor today that could have nailed the scene with Severine at the bar in the Casino? I can watch this one scene a thousand times over and still be moved and entertained at the same time… one of the best scenes in the entire series.

    I agree. I love that scene. Newman's music is also subtle and effective in the scene.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2023 Posts: 16,383
    peter wrote: »
    Continuing to watch Skyfall… I’m at the hearing scene, where Bond comes to save the day: Craig, like Connery, is such a physical actor. And Craig, more so than Connery; my wife is a Masters Level Pilates and Movement Specialist ; every time she sees Craig move she always comments how he “moves with purpose; he’s always engaged, in tune. Whatever he feels, his body moves in the emotional pattern (of the nervous system)”.

    High praise, that I wholly agree with.

    That's a great observation: that really nails it. He is utterly superb as Bond; I'm a bit blown away every time I watch one of his. In my book there are the three main Bonds, and they are top because they give something extra above and beyond doing the lines and giving some twinkle, they can surprise you in a way that you can't take your eyes off them. Happily those three are the ones who made the most films so there's plenty to enjoy.

    Speaking of Craig's movement- I saw a clip from his London Olympics skit the other day, and one thing I love about that is in that shot of him walking down the palace corridors and dodging around corgis to go and meet the Queen, I swear he's actually taking the mick out of his own Bond walk! He's doing his usual 007 doesn't-give-a-toss swagger, but he's giving it a real exaggerated swing - I think he's having a bit of a laugh at himself there.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    In honor of Albert Finney’s birthday yesterday, I’m reminded how great his performance in SF. Warm, funny and caring. I’d like to see Kincade in more Bond origin stories.

    As for the future of James Bond, I’m thinking that at some point we might get two movies filmed back to back. It would help cement the new actor. I don’t think EON wants a drastic change like from CR and QOS. Namely keeping the same director.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited May 2023 Posts: 3,152
    peter wrote: »
    Who is ready to take over— not just the character, but Craig’s shadow?
    Said it before but, whoever he is, the new guy is almost certainly going to face criticism along the lines of 'he's not as good as Daniel Craig'. The sheer irony of that...!
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    Venutius wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Who is ready to take over— not just the character, but Craig’s shadow?
    Said it before but, whoever he is, the new guy is almost certainly going to face criticism along the lines of 'he's not as good as Daniel Craig'. The sheer irony of that...!

    And thats just from Babs :))
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    In honor of Albert Finney’s birthday yesterday, I’m reminded how great his performance in SF. Warm, funny and caring. I’d like to see Kincade in more Bond origin stories.

    As for the future of James Bond, I’m thinking that at some point we might get two movies filmed back to back. It would help cement the new actor. I don’t think EON wants a drastic change like from CR and QOS. Namely keeping the same director.

    I like the idea, but can they carry the costs for two films back-to-back?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    In honor of Albert Finney’s birthday yesterday, I’m reminded how great his performance in SF. Warm, funny and caring. I’d like to see Kincade in more Bond origin stories.

    As for the future of James Bond, I’m thinking that at some point we might get two movies filmed back to back. It would help cement the new actor. I don’t think EON wants a drastic change like from CR and QOS. Namely keeping the same director.

    I like the idea, but can they carry the costs for two films back-to-back?

    With Amazon having the money, maybe. And a less expensive Bond actor.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    In honor of Albert Finney’s birthday yesterday, I’m reminded how great his performance in SF. Warm, funny and caring. I’d like to see Kincade in more Bond origin stories.

    As for the future of James Bond, I’m thinking that at some point we might get two movies filmed back to back. It would help cement the new actor. I don’t think EON wants a drastic change like from CR and QOS. Namely keeping the same director.

    I like the idea, but can they carry the costs for two films back-to-back?

    With Amazon having the money, maybe. And a less expensive Bond actor.

    You are right. And filming back-to-back doesn't necessitate full costs from day 1, I presume. Either way, I wouldn't mind the Bonds being a tad less expensive, but I also don't want them cheap. The indulgence of high technical quality is part of the fun. ;-)

    Let's see what M:I does. Perhaps EON can take notes.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited May 2023 Posts: 3,152
    Mallory wrote: »
    And thats just from Babs :))
    Excellent! But you know what? Whoever it is actually won't be as good as Dan, so it'll be fair comment! Funny old world...
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I wouldn't mind the Bonds being a tad less expensive, but I also don't want them cheap. The indulgence of high technical quality is part of the fun. ;-)
    It certainly is. It's also odd to think that there were gripes at the time that SF was being made on the cheap. Well, you'd never know to look at it, right? So yes, they could cut some costs and still get a great-looking film. Hey, if it gives them a reason to re-hire Deakins...
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    *takes notes on how to gracefully respond to criticism*
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    And thats just from Babs :))
    Excellent! But you know what? Whoever it is actually won't be as good as Dan, so it'll be fair comment! Funny old world... It's also odd to think that there were gripes at the time that SF was being made on the cheap. Well, you'd never know to look at it, right?

    I don't recall that, is that right? Was it actually cheaper?
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited May 2023 Posts: 3,152
    There were lots of gripes that several of SF's planned overseas location shoots had been scrapped to save money and the production was mocking-up scenes in Bognor instead - much tabloid mickey-taking too. Well, it didn't work out too badly, really, eh?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Oh okay, I've completely forgotten that. It's funny how the crappy newspapers always make up some story about Bond being in crisis and yet it's all forgotten once the film came out (remember all the rubbish about Craig and Fukunaga having arguments, Craig being horribly injured, the explosion on set etc. with NTTD?).
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited May 2023 Posts: 3,152
    Yes, the British tabs really went to town on the NTTD production, didn't they? How many 'cursed movie' and 'failing film' yarns did they concoct? Dunno, but too damn many, that's for sure. There was at least one a month for a while. Then the film came out and they were all sucking up for access. UK press has got to be among the worst there is.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2023 Posts: 16,383
    The Mail was obsessed with making it sound like all the women in a five mile radius were slobbering over Craig's stunt double but ignoring him. Quite unhinged.
    And then they captioned a photo of Craig talking with Ms Broccoli as being 'Daniel Craig and an assistant'. They really know nothing.

    It's good in a way because if people are interested enough to read about something, they will try and attack it to make people read it. They just exploit people caring about something: which is good because it means people care about 007. But it can do harm if the attacks stick in the mind.
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