Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    mtm wrote: »
    Ah that's a kick in the teeth, sorry to hear that Peter.

    All good @mtm ! It’s just a short delay. I’m very lucky and count my blessings!

    Preproduction by end of Jan, for a March production. Elizabeth has hired me for another adaptation, so while the first project gets shifted, she has me busy on a new script.

    So, very happy, and continue to embrace any good fortune, and hold onto it for dear life!
  • I am sorry to hear about all these setbacks @peter, it does suck as a viewer seeing all this content being held back because the forces at play can’t seem to agree on things.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I am sorry to hear about all these setbacks @peter, it does suck as a viewer seeing all this content being held back because the forces at play can’t seem to agree on things.

    Thanks @007ClassicBondFan … the film industry really is turbulent at the best of times. The last few months have certainly seen an uptick in the chaos.

    It is a shame, and I was hoping once the writers settled, it’d be a quicker process with the actors.

    Well, there’s another one of my predictions that got flushed down the toilet!
  • I feel like we get this sob story every few pages.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Well, @DewiWynBond , there’s a strike still going on, so not much of a sob story but more of a reality check that people are out of work, and things like Bond can’t be rushed during this time.

    Sorry to bore you…
  • "A sorrow shared with a friend is halved!"
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    "A sorrow shared with a friend is halved!"

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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    There was originally a ski chase in the SP script - it involved the CIA black ops agent that Bond had been undercover with (Charlotte King?) and who turned out to have been collaborating with Blofeld. It ended with Bond giving her 'an iconic facial wound', apparently. Mendes said that Dan just said 'Well, I don't ski' and vetoed it. Ah, well.
    I still remember reading about Charlotte King. She sounded like such a cool character and would've finally provided an element I was hoping for in the Craig-era: A proper femme-fatale henchwoman who remains a villain till the end. Such a missed opportunity. I hope we get one in Bond 26. Fiona Volpe and Xenia Onatopp are two of my all time favourite characters within the franchise.
    Bond confronts SPECTRE’s leader Charlotte King - Blofeld’s daughter - in her radioactive volcano lair
    Oh I didn't even remember that. I do think the double crossing CIA agent would've been the more interesting of the two. I'm not huge fan of family stuff in James Bond, looking at you Franz Oberhauser.

    I do find it interesting that they had a few drafts with a femme-fatale henchwoman before abandoning all of them. One of the drafts even included an alternate version of Irma Bunt, who would've been the one holding Madeleine hostage at the MI6 building. If I remember correctly, Madeleine and Irma would've fallen onto the net that we saw in the film, before it breaks and Irma falls to her death.

    I like these ideas for the future and I would like Charlotte King and in particular Irma Bunt to be villains in future movies or books.
    peter wrote: »
    I am sorry to hear about all these setbacks @peter, it does suck as a viewer seeing all this content being held back because the forces at play can’t seem to agree on things.

    Thanks @007ClassicBondFan … the film industry really is turbulent at the best of times. The last few months have certainly seen an uptick in the chaos.

    It is a shame, and I was hoping once the writers settled, it’d be a quicker process with the actors.

    Well, there’s another one of my predictions that got flushed down the toilet!

    Hang in there, @peter the industry will get better. It's time that America should care for the average worker, not just the CEOs with massive pensions.

    On a plus note for us Bond fans, EON can truly start writing it. It sounds like Purvis and Wade are coming up with new ways for Bond to leave MI6. But seriously, EON can better plan a story or even a multi-film arc for the next Bond actor.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    There was originally a ski chase in the SP script - it involved the CIA black ops agent that Bond had been undercover with (Charlotte King?) and who turned out to have been collaborating with Blofeld. It ended with Bond giving her 'an iconic facial wound', apparently. Mendes said that Dan just said 'Well, I don't ski' and vetoed it. Ah, well.
    I still remember reading about Charlotte King. She sounded like such a cool character and would've finally provided an element I was hoping for in the Craig-era: A proper femme-fatale henchwoman who remains a villain till the end. Such a missed opportunity. I hope we get one in Bond 26. Fiona Volpe and Xenia Onatopp are two of my all time favourite characters within the franchise.
    Bond confronts SPECTRE’s leader Charlotte King - Blofeld’s daughter - in her radioactive volcano lair
    Oh I didn't even remember that. I do think the double crossing CIA agent would've been the more interesting of the two. I'm not huge fan of family stuff in James Bond, looking at you Franz Oberhauser.

    I do find it interesting that they had a few drafts with a femme-fatale henchwoman before abandoning all of them. One of the drafts even included an alternate version of Irma Bunt, who would've been the one holding Madeleine hostage at the MI6 building. If I remember correctly, Madeleine and Irma would've fallen onto the net that we saw in the film, before it breaks and Irma falls to her death.

    I like these ideas for the future and I would like Charlotte King and in particular Irma Bunt to be villains in future movies or books.
    peter wrote: »
    I am sorry to hear about all these setbacks @peter, it does suck as a viewer seeing all this content being held back because the forces at play can’t seem to agree on things.

    Thanks @007ClassicBondFan … the film industry really is turbulent at the best of times. The last few months have certainly seen an uptick in the chaos.

    It is a shame, and I was hoping once the writers settled, it’d be a quicker process with the actors.

    Well, there’s another one of my predictions that got flushed down the toilet!

    Hang in there, @peter the industry will get better. It's time that America should care for the average worker, not just the CEOs with massive pensions.

    On a plus note for us Bond fans, EON can truly start writing it. It sounds like Purvis and Wade are coming up with new ways for Bond to leave MI6. But seriously, EON can better plan a story or even a multi-film arc for the next Bond actor.

    I agree, @MaxCasino ... The automakers have also gone on strike, and for the first time in a long time, the average American sides with the unions.

    The pendulum has seemingly swung too far in one direction, and after covid, wars and inflation, it's harder and harder to keep a roof over their heads.

    The "trickle down economy" got stuck somewhere at the top of the peak,didn't it??

    Anyways, onwards and upwards (hopefully!!)

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Oh do your lot go on about ‘trickle down’ too? Yes we get sold that line.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    peter wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    There was originally a ski chase in the SP script - it involved the CIA black ops agent that Bond had been undercover with (Charlotte King?) and who turned out to have been collaborating with Blofeld. It ended with Bond giving her 'an iconic facial wound', apparently. Mendes said that Dan just said 'Well, I don't ski' and vetoed it. Ah, well.
    I still remember reading about Charlotte King. She sounded like such a cool character and would've finally provided an element I was hoping for in the Craig-era: A proper femme-fatale henchwoman who remains a villain till the end. Such a missed opportunity. I hope we get one in Bond 26. Fiona Volpe and Xenia Onatopp are two of my all time favourite characters within the franchise.
    Bond confronts SPECTRE’s leader Charlotte King - Blofeld’s daughter - in her radioactive volcano lair
    Oh I didn't even remember that. I do think the double crossing CIA agent would've been the more interesting of the two. I'm not huge fan of family stuff in James Bond, looking at you Franz Oberhauser.

    I do find it interesting that they had a few drafts with a femme-fatale henchwoman before abandoning all of them. One of the drafts even included an alternate version of Irma Bunt, who would've been the one holding Madeleine hostage at the MI6 building. If I remember correctly, Madeleine and Irma would've fallen onto the net that we saw in the film, before it breaks and Irma falls to her death.

    I like these ideas for the future and I would like Charlotte King and in particular Irma Bunt to be villains in future movies or books.
    peter wrote: »
    I am sorry to hear about all these setbacks @peter, it does suck as a viewer seeing all this content being held back because the forces at play can’t seem to agree on things.

    Thanks @007ClassicBondFan … the film industry really is turbulent at the best of times. The last few months have certainly seen an uptick in the chaos.

    It is a shame, and I was hoping once the writers settled, it’d be a quicker process with the actors.

    Well, there’s another one of my predictions that got flushed down the toilet!

    Hang in there, @peter the industry will get better. It's time that America should care for the average worker, not just the CEOs with massive pensions.

    On a plus note for us Bond fans, EON can truly start writing it. It sounds like Purvis and Wade are coming up with new ways for Bond to leave MI6. But seriously, EON can better plan a story or even a multi-film arc for the next Bond actor.

    I agree, @MaxCasino ... The automakers have also gone on strike, and for the first time in a long time, the average American sides with the unions.

    The pendulum has seemingly swung too far in one direction, and after covid, wars and inflation, it's harder and harder to keep a roof over their heads.

    The "trickle down economy" got stuck somewhere at the top of the peak,didn't it??

    Anyways, onwards and upwards (hopefully!!)
    mtm wrote: »
    Oh do your lot go on about ‘trickle down’ too? Yes we get sold that line.

    Ronald Reagan: more like a real Bond villain than people realize. Now his party is just like Agent of Spectre: unsatisfied with the leadership, they take out the leaders and install themselves. But enough of me rambling about politics. James Bond is escapism for all.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    peter wrote: »
    "A sorrow shared with a friend is halved!"

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  • “ Bond, like other big projects are in a holding pattern”

    They can decide the direction of the franchise. They can talk to writers. They can get a screenplay written. They can talk to directors. They can hire a director.

    EON can do a lot of work on Bond 26 before the end of the SAG strike.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I think it all comes down to whether November 2025 is a priority or not. 4 years is usually ample to start off the new era of Bond, and if EON and partners are determined to hit that date then it probably means the likelihood them returning to Martin Campbell or (heaven forbid) Mendes much much higher. If EON are happy to watch the 2025 release window pass them by and take longer than 4 years between films for the second time in a row, then the sky is the limit. With enough time and creative freedom they could probably get anyone to direct the next film. I never would have said it but if November 2025 is seen as THE deadline for EON, then I think there is distinct chance Campbell is back to complete his trilogy. I think EON will know he is a safe pair of hand and do a solid job without kicking up a fuss creatively and causing issues. They can never be sure of that with a big name like Nolan. EON are in a bit of a tricky situation now, because they've dealt themselves in to the pool of prestige directors, but at the same time they have a reputation for liking to keep a tight creative control over the films. Sam Mendes looked completely out of it on the set SPECTRE and he barely did any press for that film compared to Skyfall. He looked like he just wanted to set off his pyrotechnics and go home. Boyle also went brisky out the door, I'm sure there's a story to be told there one day. I think if EON are desperate for a film before 2026 then they are likely to go with someone experienced and reliable, and if they can't win Mendes back on side then that means bringing back Campbell and completely the trifecta. Ofcourse, it could be that they couldn't care less about 2025 and are willing to wait as long as it takes for things to fall into place. If that's the case they could technically get any director on the planet, it doesn't even bare speculating about although you'd probably have to say nolan is the slight frontrunner at this stage.
  • edited October 2023 Posts: 1,330
    Mission:Impossible-Dead Reckoning flopped. We need Nolan more than ever.
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    Mission:Impossible-Dead Reckoning flopped. We need Nolan more than ever.

    I don’t think MI will mean anything for a future Bond film. MI went against two films that just caught the zeitgeist and couldn’t hold its own. Even when Bond has been in a similar situation (ie. LTK going against an unprecedented number of franchises and OHMSS coming out in the same year as some heavy hitters) they’ve always turned a profit. It’s in large part due to the name recognition, the franchise’s ability to update itself, and I suspect a stronger fan base than MI (that’s not to say viewers like us, but simply loyal viewers who will go and see it). So really I don’t think any single director matters all that much in the grand scheme of things. They just need to find someone they think can help deliver the best film possible.
  • edited October 2023 Posts: 1,330
    This "someone" is Nolan.

    Nolan is the safest bet right now.

    (Indiana Jones flopped too, nothing is impossible)
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    Mission:Impossible-Dead Reckoning flopped. We need Nolan more than ever.

    No Time To Die didn't flop though, I imagine that's more relevant.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    If the release date is November 2025 it won't be nolan or any "big name" director - that's the bottom line.

    It'll be a reliable, safe pair of hands such as Campbell or Mendes who won't be a diva and quit months into development.
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    This "someone" is Nolan.

    Nolan is the safest bet right now.

    (Indiana Jones flopped too, nothing is impossible)

    I think unless any of us have an insight into Bond 26 we can’t possibly say one way or the other who the ‘safe bet’ is. Like I said little if any financial increase will come from the director of a Bond film. It’s what they’ll bring creatively that matters.

    Indy’s another one that doesn’t mean much. The last film of the series to bring back an older version of the character isn’t well regarded anyway, even if the first three are considered classics. The series has its fans (but even that’s arguably a smaller pool than MI and certainly compared to Bond), but I don’t get the sense there was much widespread desire to see another Indiana Jones flick. A new Bond film is so unlikely to be a box office bomb. The only exceptions would come if a) the film was objectively badly made in terms of filmmaking (which is unlikely to happen) or b) the concept of the film goes so badly off the rails that it becomes unrecognisable to the casual viewer (and honestly, we’re more likely to get that with a period piece Nolan Bond film than anything else).
  • edited October 2023 Posts: 1,330
    007HallY wrote: »
    This "someone" is Nolan.

    Nolan is the safest bet right now.

    (Indiana Jones flopped too, nothing is impossible)

    I think unless any of us have an insight into Bond 26 we can’t possibly say one way or the other who the ‘safe bet’ is. Like I said little if any financial increase will come from the director of a Bond film. It’s what they’ll bring creatively that matters.

    Indy’s another one that doesn’t mean much. The last film of the series to bring back an older version of the character isn’t well regarded anyway, even if the first three are considered classics. The series has its fans (but even that’s arguably a smaller pool than MI and certainly compared to Bond), but I don’t get the sense there was much widespread desire to see another Indiana Jones flick. A new Bond film is so unlikely to be a box office bomb. The only exceptions would come if a) the film was objectively badly made in terms of filmmaking (which is unlikely to happen) or b) the concept of the film goes so badly off the rails that it becomes unrecognisable to the casual viewer (and honestly, we’re more likely to get that with a period piece Nolan Bond film than anything else).

    It will bomb if young people don't care.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
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    To make maximum profit (and that's what it's all about) the next Bond installment has to match with the audience. All parties involved with Bond 26 will watch carefully the box office trends as well as the zeitgeist and keep an eye on the younger or even next generation of viewers. This will influence who will star as James Bond for the next decade or so and of course who will helm the next film. That's why I don't think the director will be one of those "dinosaurs" named in this thread.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited October 2023 Posts: 8,395
    Bond is very much equivalent to indiana jones in terms of trajectory, just about 20 years behind. Indiana Jones was phenomenally popular with Gen X and older millennial generations, the problem is that indy didn't stay in the public consciousness throught the 90's and most of the 00's, essentially resulting in younger people having no connection to the character except for some dusty 80's movies. Gen Z doesn't give a hoot about indiana jones and why would they when only film to be released in their livetimes is the much ridiculed Crystal Skull? Bond faces a similar uphill struggle, as the last truly well received bond film was released in 2012 when many Zoomer were still learning their times table. Not only that but the newer bond films have been more adult skewing which is great in the short term and it appears the films are more popular with the 40 plus crowd than ever, it does cause problems down the line as we see Jones 5. I Nolan biggest selling point to EON is that he DOES get younger people excited to see his films. I've never seen so many teens hyped to go and see a 3 hour courtroom drama before OPPENHIEMER, the film was an outright phenomenon and much of that down to the under 25 demographic turning out in droves.
  • Posts: 4,122
    007HallY wrote: »
    This "someone" is Nolan.

    Nolan is the safest bet right now.

    (Indiana Jones flopped too, nothing is impossible)

    I think unless any of us have an insight into Bond 26 we can’t possibly say one way or the other who the ‘safe bet’ is. Like I said little if any financial increase will come from the director of a Bond film. It’s what they’ll bring creatively that matters.

    Indy’s another one that doesn’t mean much. The last film of the series to bring back an older version of the character isn’t well regarded anyway, even if the first three are considered classics. The series has its fans (but even that’s arguably a smaller pool than MI and certainly compared to Bond), but I don’t get the sense there was much widespread desire to see another Indiana Jones flick. A new Bond film is so unlikely to be a box office bomb. The only exceptions would come if a) the film was objectively badly made in terms of filmmaking (which is unlikely to happen) or b) the concept of the film goes so badly off the rails that it becomes unrecognisable to the casual viewer (and honestly, we’re more likely to get that with a period piece Nolan Bond film than anything else).

    It will bomb if young people don't care.

    Well, Bond’s audience is generally older anyway (late 20’s and beyond as a majority) but I’d argue it has a larger younger fan base than MI. My younger cousin often jokes it’s a series for older folks who still want Bond films from the 60s. Perhaps unfair, but I think a new actor and a fresh era will bring in some younger viewers.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Bond is very much equivalent to indiana jones in terms of trajectory, just about 20 years behind. Indiana Jones was phenomenally popular with Gen X and older millennial generations, the problem is that indy didn't stay in the public consciousness throught the 90's and most of the 00's, essentially resulting in younger people having no connection to the character except for some dusty 80's movies. Gen Z doesn't give a hoot about indiana jones and why would they when only film to be released in their livetimes is the much ridiculed Crystal Skull? Bond faces a similar uphill struggle, as the last truly well received bond film was released in 2012 when many Zoomer were still learning their times table. Not only that but the newer bond films have been more adult skewing which is great in the short term and it appears the films are more popular with the 40 plus crowd than ever, it does cause problems down the line as we see Jones 5. I Nolan biggest selling point to EON is that he DOES get younger people excited to see his films. I've never seen so many teens hyped to go and see a 3 hour courtroom drama before OPPENHIEMER, the film was an outright phenomenon and much of that down to the under 25 demographic turning out in droves.

    Whilst I don't totally disagree with you on this, I do wonder then why MI:DR failed to hit the spot for many audiences. The previous films had been hits for the most part. Cruise and McQ are still very popular.
    Despite the popularity of Nolan, I don't think his directing Bond 26 would be a guarantee of box office success.
  • edited October 2023 Posts: 12,837
    I Nolan biggest selling point to EON is that he DOES get younger people excited to see his films. I've never seen so many teens hyped to go and see a 3 hour courtroom drama before OPPENHIEMER, the film was an outright phenomenon and much of that down to the under 25 demographic turning out in droves.

    That one was lucky enough to benefit from Barbie and all the memes though, which wasn’t anything Nolan did. He just makes the films he wants to make and that one was lucky enough to catch lightning in a bottle.
  • edited October 2023 Posts: 4,122
    I do think some people here are underestimating both Gen Z’s level of access to older films (obviously it’s much easier nowadays to watch the older Indy or Bond films, and this is a generation born with the idea these are ‘classics’) and the level of nostalgia for the Craig era Bond and indeed the Bond series in general. CR and SF are, for many, just as much classics for the 16-24 year old range as any other Bond adventure.

    Indy isn’t a series that reinvents itself, has several iterations throughout 60 years, and anywhere near as many films behind it. Bond will be fine.
    I Nolan biggest selling point to EON is that he DOES get younger people excited to see his films. I've never seen so many teens hyped to go and see a 3 hour courtroom drama before OPPENHIEMER, the film was an outright phenomenon and much of that down to the under 25 demographic turning out in droves.

    That one was lucky enough to benefit from Barbie and all the memes though, which wasn’t anything Nolan did. He just makes the films he wants to make and that one was lucky enough to catch lightning in a bottle.

    Pretty much, yeah. Honestly, I think Barbie came out better in terms of what people thought of both films after.

    Tenet, probably a better representation of Nolan doing a Bond film, didn’t come out well in terms of who enjoyed it. To be honest I think that’s a bigger mark against him than Oppenheimer’s success.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I do think some people here are underestimating both Gen Z’s level of access to older films (obviously it’s much easier nowadays to watch the older Indy or Bond films, and this is a generation born with the idea these are ‘classics’) and the level of nostalgia for the Craig era Bond and indeed the Bond series in general. CR and SF are, for many, just as much classics for the 16-24 year old range as any other Bond adventure.

    Indy isn’t a series that reinvents itself, has several iterations throughout 60 years, and anywhere near as many films behind it. Bond will be fine.


    When you have 26 movies at home you don't need another one.

    I think MI flopped for that reason.
  • edited October 2023 Posts: 4,122
    007HallY wrote: »
    I do think some people here are underestimating both Gen Z’s level of access to older films (obviously it’s much easier nowadays to watch the older Indy or Bond films, and this is a generation born with the idea these are ‘classics’) and the level of nostalgia for the Craig era Bond and indeed the Bond series in general. CR and SF are, for many, just as much classics for the 16-24 year old range as any other Bond adventure.

    Indy isn’t a series that reinvents itself, has several iterations throughout 60 years, and anywhere near as many films behind it. Bond will be fine.


    When you have 26 movies at home you don't need another one.

    I think MI flopped for that reason.

    I wouldn’t put it like that. I think it just got sidelined over Barbie and Oppenheimer and because its fan base is quite soft (compared to Bond’s) people just thought, ‘meh, I’ll catch it at home, there’s another part anyway.’

    Not gonna lie, even I’ve not seen it yet.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Well you're just a joy to be around aren't you @DEKE_RIVERS
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