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They worked around that with editing of 007 escaping on foot in the airport scene of LALD. And the use of the stairs in FYEO.
I always say I feel a bit sorry for Moore in this area. I get the sense he himself wasn’t very athletic compared to the other Bond actors, and I think he was just one of those people who suffered from various health issues his whole life (I know kidney stones was a problem for him during points in his Bond tenure).
I think the stunt doubles and the lack of believability is only really prominent during AVTAK, and I’d argue it’s worst during the PTS. I actually think that OP does a good job of blending Moore and his stunt men during action sequences, and it doesn’t seem like what he’s doing defies his physical abilities as Bond. I’d even say the fight scene in the dance club in TMWTGG is pretty believable.
In Octopussy you can see the suntmen everywhere.
True, but TMWTGG doesn’t have a lot of Bond in action. Roger Moore could pull it off, in that time.
Yeah I think that's his best fight scene, maybe up alongside the fight in Octopussy's bedroom- there's some good choreography there and he's actually acting his way through it pretty well. In the OP fight he looks quite professional and even a touch angry.
What always makes me laugh is that I agree that he wasn't the most athletically gifted, but when it comes to fight scenes he probably took part in at least double the amount of fight scenes of all of the other Bond actors combined: what with hundreds of episodes of his various TV shows like Ivanhoe, Maverick, The Saint, The Persuaders etc., each of which invariably had about two fight scenes an episode, on average!
You said they "never" had to run, which is hyperbolic.
Personally I want an action hero who exerts himself; it seems kind of contrary to the point to have a lazy one. The idea that CraigBond didn't steal any cars or bikes or planes or JCBs to get around is kind of ludicrous, as is the idea that he wasn't clever about solving problems. The CR car valet/alarm bit for example is a classic bit of Bond thinking.
Did he? I don't remember that at all.
He snarled a little, but I don't remember grunts.
Roger Moore’s ‘ooofs’ during his fight scenes, however….
Guilty of being hyperbolic. I guess I still don't think of Bond as a "action hero" but as a "gentleman spy".
Totally agree @delfloria
When I think action hero I think John Wick, John McClaine, etc.
James Bond is a spy and for the most part a gentleman. It’s his Britishness and snobbery that keeps him from being an action hero.
That’s his disguise; he’s not really a gentleman. TMWTGG is probably the best example of that, with Goodnight seeing through his attempts to get her into bed and then shoving her into a cupboard so he can shag Andrea instead. Or accepting Tracy’s payment of her body for helping her out in the casino etc.
I see him as someone who knows how to use good manners etc. to his advantage, but gleefully turns any situation so he can win and we vicariously enjoy the often quite outrageous things he does.
He’s not even really a spy…
They’re all action adventure films. He runs, he shoots, he jumps, he fights, and he always has. To complain about that seems odd to me.
Not to mention killing unarmed men. Now that's certainly not cricket!
I don’t think anyone is complaining about it @mtm
You seem to be the only one making something out of nothing.
Yeah, he shoots men in cold blood when they’ve “had their six”! :D And then makes callous jokes about someone having died! He’s not a gentleman, he’s a selfish bastard who we find very charming, and who happens to be on the side of the angels. And that’s how it was right from Dr No, and it’s certainly why I enjoy him.
I definitely want more `badass Bond' in the next film. Craig smiling when the bomber blows himself up at the airport, Moore knocking someone off to their death by swiping his tie, Connery's `you've had your six', Dalton's `you earned it, you keep it, old buddy', etc.
I do love the "old buddy" retort. I guess that's why he has a license to kill. He gets to decide who lives and who dies.
Bond as revenge fantasy. Discuss.
Licence To Kill has its limits.
It could've been revoked if it's used in wrong and bad intentions.
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But anyway, it won't just be what the Craig era did or didn't do that will factor into EON's thinking. It's been an oft-maligned element of many big blockbusters since Marvel came knocking that humour was shoehorned in for the sake of it and ruining dramatic stakes. Meanwhile other films go the other route and become too dour and dark for the sake of it, too.
Funnily enough, the Craig era would probably land somewhere in the middle ground of those two notions for me. And, save for a handful of misjudged moments, I'd argue the Brosnan era wouldn't be too far off that middle ground either. They weren't as light and silly as many claim them to be.
I really don't think the tone is the issue - the writing of consistently good scripts is.
If only that were true. :-<
It's perfectly true, CraigMooreOHMSS is completely correct.
If there's anything, at least for me that he's lacking (though, as I've felt, personally), it's the charisma and sophistication), I personally don't think he's sophisticated like the past Bond actors, he's hard all the time (I know he had the style, but the way Craig carried them, it's a bit hard, no doubt many people are comparing him to Red Grant, because he lacked that particular sophistication), and yes, charisma, I also personally don't think he has charisma, he's not charismatic, because again of his hard personality, I know what they're trying to play with Craig, but those are lacking, really.
I don't see him as a debonair like the past Bond actors, he's like a hard rock being glamoured.