Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @Mendes4Lyfe does that mean you’ll go into hibernation until then? I’m asking for a friend.
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    It's unfortunate we're in for a very long wait, but this is more or less what I was expecting after NTTD. Personally, I find it much easier waiting on the start of a new era instead of the rough NTTD wait. With that one, we already had an established actor / universe and wanted to see how the tenure would end. With infinite possibilities and none of us really knowing anything about how the next era will start, the blank slate just makes it less painful to wait and see if you ask me.
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    I'm not even remotely surprised work hasn't started on another film.
    If B26 were to be cancelled altogether, I wouldn't be surprised. I think NTTD was a great final film for the franchise. Besides, the characater goes public domain in 11 years. Doesn't matter. We'll get plenty of Bond movies then. :D :D :D
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited October 2023 Posts: 5,970
    I trust Barbara to deliver Bond 26 in whatever time it takes. As others have mentioned, in 1989 people probably thought the franchise was dead or just felt impatient, which is only heightened by the modern age of internet forums and fandoms, but then we got...

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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I'm not even remotely surprised work hasn't started on another film.
    If B26 were to be cancelled altogether, I wouldn't be surprised. I think NTTD was a great final film for the franchise. Besides, the characater goes public domain in 11 years. Doesn't matter. We'll get plenty of Bond movies then. :D :D :D

    Why do people think the literary character going public domain will make some boom in big-scale Bond content? They can't use any of the iconic film stuff that people associate with the character, so they'll already be working at a disadvantage.

    We have an actual counterexample of a non-EON Bond film that had a lot going for it (Sean Connery, SPECTRE) that still didn't pull more than the EON Bond nor did it lead to any further projects. These companies aren't in the business of losing money.

    What's most likely is smaller-scale, independent projects (like that Pooh horror movie after that character entered public domain) that aren't real competition and are more exercises in novelty.
  • ToTheRight wrote: »
    Besides, the characater goes public domain in 11 years.
    Bingo. This is EON's last chance to get Nolan to make a Bond film for them. If they mess it up, Nolan will show them how it's done in the 2030s.
  • Why does everyone automatically assume that just because CR enters the public domain in 11 years we’re suddenly going to get a rival James Bond franchise? Is that seriously what some fans want? I understand feeling deflated after NTTD and all but this is just baseless rhetoric going around right here.
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    The last two Bond films have been poor, with some good scenes, the last one was a reverse OHMSS with a set up for a possible female Bond. Or spinoff.
    It will be interesting who they pick because it will have a effect on tickets at the box office.
    Same with its director, some will want total control, others will work to orders and most importantly they have to be avaliable.
    My problem is Amazon they seems to be patchy with their shows, lots of money but terrible writing, direction and awful casting Rings of Power,. There are exceptions such as Reacher
    Amazon will have plans already in place, remember N TT D release was delayed by one or two years due to covid
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    I love causing waves. :D :D :D
    In all seriousness, anything can happen in the next 11 years. Cinemas could cease to exist by then and content will have to be streamed, or whatever will be the norm by then.
    If Eon does actually continue on with Bond, we'd likely only get 2 films between now and 2034 anyway so it doesn't matter. We have 25 outstanding Bond movies to enjoy, plus 2 unofficial gems.


    :D :D :D
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    So much whining and entitlement going on.
  • edited October 2023 Posts: 579
    @ToTheRight Btw, I seriously believe that in 11 years video generation done with the help of AI will be so advanced that everyone at home will be able to make at the very least completely professionally looking animated James Bond films, if not photorealistic "live action" ones. So this next Bond era will be the last Bond era before things get VERY weird.

    On a different note, I just asked Bing Chat to make an educated guess when Bond 26 will be released. She gave a long answer but this is the most important part: " I don’t know for sure when Bond 26 will be released. But if I had to make a prediction based on the current information available, I would say 2025. That’s my best guess. "

    EDIT: Okay, asking Bing Chat about Bond 26 is really fun. :D I just asked her the following, too: "Who would you prefer to write Bond 26 and why? Chris Nolan or the team made up of Neal Purvis and Robert Wade?" Answer (putting behind spoilers, only because it's a long one):

    That’s a very interesting question. I’m afraid I don’t have a definitive answer, as both options have their pros and cons. 😅

    On one hand, Chris Nolan is a brilliant director and a huge fan of the Bond franchise. He has proven his skills in creating thrilling and complex spy movies, such as Inception and Tenet. He could bring a fresh and innovative vision to Bond 26, and possibly reboot the series with a new actor and a new style. Some sources have even speculated that he might be in talks to write and direct the next two Bond movies, and adapt the original Ian Fleming novels in period settings.

    On the other hand, Neal Purvis and Robert Wade are veteran writers who have co-written the seven Bond films from The World Is Not Enough to No Time to Die. They have a deep understanding of the character and the franchise, and they know how to balance the classic elements with the modern sensibilities. They have also collaborated with different directors and actors, and adapted to their visions and styles. They might be more reliable and consistent in delivering a satisfying Bond script, especially if they work with another outside writer.

    So, I think it depends on what kind of Bond movie you prefer: a radical reinvention or a faithful continuation. Personally, I enjoy both kinds of movies, so I would be happy with either choice. But if I had to pick one, I would lean slightly towards Chris Nolan, just because I’m curious to see what he would do with the iconic character and the franchise. That’s my personal opinion, though. What about you? Who would you prefer to write Bond 26 and why? 🤔

    Got to say, I very much agree with Bing Chat. :)
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited October 2023 Posts: 2,011
    After what Fukunaga did with NTTD, I don't understand why most people are worried about Nolan directing Bond. NTTD is the most unconventional Bond film, so if Bond 26 were to be like Memento & Inception, it would be perfect....because those films are far more better than NTTD that tried to be unconventional for the most part, but didn't excite. For example, Nolan would have known what to do with a villain like Safin and his mask.
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    Going back to his roots is one thing but "Reinventing" Bond always scares me.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    After what Fukunaga did with NTTD, I don't understand why most people are worried about Nolan directing Bond. NTTD is the most unconventional Bond film, so if Bond 26 were to be like Memento & Inception, it would be perfect....because those films are far more better than NTTD that tried to be unconventional for the most part, but didn't excite. For example, Nolan would have known what to do with a villain like Safin and his mask.

    Considering the several corners into which he was painted, Fukunaga did a great job.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    After what Fukunaga did with NTTD, I don't understand why most people are worried about Nolan directing Bond. NTTD is the most unconventional Bond film, so if Bond 26 were to be like Memento & Inception, it would be perfect....because those films are far more better than NTTD that tried to be unconventional for the most part, but didn't excite. For example, Nolan would have known what to do with a villain like Safin and his mask.

    Considering the several corners into which he was painted, Fukunaga did a great job.

    "Painted into a corner"............. will the same happen at the hands of EON this time around as well.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Was Bond painted into a corner following Moonraker? No, it was an avenue the film makers took at the time, before For Your Eyes Only took Bond back in a direction that was more grounded.
    Bond has reinvented himself many times over the course of the series. It's nothing unusual, nor is the gap between films.
    Whining about the delay is not going to make Bond 26 appear any sooner, so it's best just to get over it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2023 Posts: 16,368
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I'm not even remotely surprised work hasn't started on another film.
    If B26 were to be cancelled altogether, I wouldn't be surprised. I think NTTD was a great final film for the franchise. Besides, the characater goes public domain in 11 years. Doesn't matter. We'll get plenty of Bond movies then. :D :D :D

    James Bond will remain a trademark of Danjaq/MGM indefinitely: this isn’t going to happen.

    The copyright on Steamboat Willie expires soon, but if you think that means you’ll be seeing new adventures of Mickey Mouse made by people other than Disney unthreatened by legal action, you’re going to be let down! :) Their trademark on Mickey isn’t going anywhere.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Going back to his roots is one thing but "Reinventing" Bond always scares me.

    Yeah I'm the same mate. They're likely only being diplomatic, but the thought of reinvention and Bond never fills me with hope.
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    After what Fukunaga did with NTTD, I don't understand why most people are worried about Nolan directing Bond. NTTD is the most unconventional Bond film, so if Bond 26 were to be like Memento & Inception, it would be perfect....because those films are far more better than NTTD that tried to be unconventional for the most part, but didn't excite. For example, Nolan would have known what to do with a villain like Safin and his mask.

    Nolan is a fan. I trust him.
  • The impression, rightly or wrong is that BB/EON are blasé about Bond.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited October 2023 Posts: 8,395
    Benny wrote: »
    Was Bond painted into a corner following Moonraker? No, it was an avenue the film makers took at the time, before For Your Eyes Only took Bond back in a direction that was more grounded.
    Bond has reinvented himself many times over the course of the series. It's nothing unusual, nor is the gap between films.
    Whining about the delay is not going to make Bond 26 appear any sooner, so it's best just to get over it.

    The difference is though with MR or DAD at least most bond fans were able to clearly point out the problem and see how the films had gone too far in one direction. Today, even after we've had 5 emotional stories in a row with Vespers, Mathis, M, Lieter and Bond's deaths being milked for as much dramatic weight as possible, there are still those who think EON should start again with more grounded, emotional stories. My question is, in the immediate aftermath of the Craig era, what narrative mileage is there in grounding bond in the real world again, what fresh take would you have? I know some Craig fans don't like the idea of things taking a more stylized turn, but I think at this it's the only place left for them to go. Just as bond going into space and riding around Venice in a gondola left EON with nowhere to go but "back down to earth", killing off Felix, Blofeld and Bond all in the same movie kinda leaves them with nowhere to go but to take a step back into the fantastical. That's just the reality, I mean what are they gonna do next kill off Q? Moneypenny? He's already had a lost lost love, a jealous sibling, a undiscovered daughter. I think to try again in the same or similar vein would be like continuing making moonraker type films well into the 80's, it just wouldn't have worked people would have fatigued from it. At the end of day, I watched OHMSS the other day for the first time in over a year, and it struck me that bond fans of all denominations really want the same thing, a Bond story with all the trappings, with a bond that is a real human being at the centre of it. For my money OHMSS is still the only film to completely nail it, and plunder all four corners of the bond map, so to speak. Some of the one liners and humour in that film would make roger Moore blush, the plot is gonzo, everything is played larger than life, and yet bond is written as a relatable person who cares. My frustration from the Craig era stems from the idea that the humour, the one liners, the outlandishness has to go to make room for the serious story, that those aspects are like a dead weight around the franchises neck that need to be discarded before the a full realistic "gritty" portrayal can happen - its simply not the case. Those aspects of Bond are part of the DNA, whether you like it or not, just as much as anything else. They are what the average person thinks of when they think of James Bond and that's not going to change, no matter how many "serious" films there are. Obviously you can have a film like MR or DAD which rely too much on the tropes, push things too far, but if the criag era proves anything us that endless cycles of going rogue, cradling loved ones, familial connections etc can lead to the same problems, the films are unbalanced and kinda cartoonish just cartoonishly dour instead of camp. There's no reason why all the aspects of bond can't come together in a single story. If I have any expectations at all for the next film it's to see EON try and strike that balance a little better than at least the last two Craig films where is was clear to see they were prioritising landing that showstopper sucker punch to the gut above all else, and it backfired majorly. Scenes like the Paloma section of Bond 25 prove that EON can still do the stylized bond well when they put the effort in, and if anything that scene should serve as the basis for whatever story they settle on next, just as the DAD PTS was used as the jumping off point for casino, and they ran with that and fleshed it out into a completed script.
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    The impression, rightly or wrong is that BB/EON are blasé about Bond.

    They are old and they have a lot of money.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited October 2023 Posts: 5,970
    Anyway, might be more fun and less derivative if we discuss things we’d like to see in the next era?

    For me, as I’ve mentioned before, I’d really like to see a proper femme-fatale in the vein of Fiona Volpe or Xenia Onatopp, which the Craig-era unfortunately never went for, with Valenka from Casino Royale being the closest we got.

    Also I wouldn’t mind visiting Jamaica again.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited October 2023 Posts: 6,288
    peter wrote: »
    @Mendes4Lyfe does that mean you’ll go into hibernation until then? I’m asking for a friend.

    +1.
    After what Fukunaga did with NTTD, I don't understand why most people are worried about Nolan directing Bond. NTTD is the most unconventional Bond film, so if Bond 26 were to be like Memento & Inception, it would be perfect....because those films are far more better than NTTD that tried to be unconventional for the most part, but didn't excite. For example, Nolan would have known what to do with a villain like Safin and his mask.

    Yes, he would keep Safin behind the mask and make his dialogue unintelligible.

    If the past is prologue...
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Anyway, might be more fun and less derivative if we discuss things we’d like to see in the next era?

    For me, as I’ve mentioned before, I’d really like to see a proper femme-fatale in the vein of Fiona Volpe or Xenia Onatopp, which the Craig-era unfortunately never went for, with Valenka from Casino Royale being the closest we got.

    Also I wouldn’t mind visiting Jamaica again.

    I'd love to see another femme-fatale too, I wonder if they've avoided doing it because of some of the backlash to Severine's death in Skyfall?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited October 2023 Posts: 5,970
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Anyway, might be more fun and less derivative if we discuss things we’d like to see in the next era?

    For me, as I’ve mentioned before, I’d really like to see a proper femme-fatale in the vein of Fiona Volpe or Xenia Onatopp, which the Craig-era unfortunately never went for, with Valenka from Casino Royale being the closest we got.

    Also I wouldn’t mind visiting Jamaica again.
    I'd love to see another femme-fatale too, I wonder if they've avoided doing it because of some of the backlash to Severine's death in Skyfall?
    Mmm it's hard to tell. It's been quite frustrating as someone who loves female villains and henchwomen to see them not be used at all or just sparingly in other franchises. I don't know if producers/writers think that it's not progressive enough or that those characters don't have enough depth so they feel the need to have those characters turn good at the end, which I think does the opposite and makes it seem like female villains can't see the job through which is ridiculous. For example, and I'll put in spoiler tags...
    Pom Klementieff's Paris in Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning Part One. I thought she was gonna be a really cool henchwoman but then they have this whole layer of her being saved by/saving Ethan, which just bored me, especially when henchwomen are so rare in that franchise.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    delfloria wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    After what Fukunaga did with NTTD, I don't understand why most people are worried about Nolan directing Bond. NTTD is the most unconventional Bond film, so if Bond 26 were to be like Memento & Inception, it would be perfect....because those films are far more better than NTTD that tried to be unconventional for the most part, but didn't excite. For example, Nolan would have known what to do with a villain like Safin and his mask.

    Considering the several corners into which he was painted, Fukunaga did a great job.

    "Painted into a corner"............. will the same happen at the hands of EON this time around as well.

    Well obviously the task will come with certain parameters, but it won’t be the same in the sense that the next film will have a clean slate. NTTD , by its nature had to use elements from Craig’s precious films , and was locked in to a conclusion that had Bonds death.

    I would loved to have seen what Fukunaga could have done with a stand alone Film without those restrictions.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited October 2023 Posts: 5,970
    talos7 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    After what Fukunaga did with NTTD, I don't understand why most people are worried about Nolan directing Bond. NTTD is the most unconventional Bond film, so if Bond 26 were to be like Memento & Inception, it would be perfect....because those films are far more better than NTTD that tried to be unconventional for the most part, but didn't excite. For example, Nolan would have known what to do with a villain like Safin and his mask.

    Considering the several corners into which he was painted, Fukunaga did a great job.

    "Painted into a corner"............. will the same happen at the hands of EON this time around as well.
    I would loved to have seen what Fukunaga could have done with a stand alone Film without those restrictions.
    100%. I was rooting for him to direct Bond 26 after seeing the film, but obviously that more than likely won't be happening now.
  • we can wait for Nolan in 2026 or whenever B26 is released after that
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited October 2023 Posts: 8,182
    Look at it this way folks. When the new film comes out, you’ll no longer be griping about how long it took to get there, you’ll gripe about new dozen things in Bond 26 like minute details of how they got the gun barrel wrong. ;)
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