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Well, GE stole everything from NSNA.
I remember as a kid I didn't think it was a proper Bond film; I thought it was a knock-off like CR'67.
And it's more explicit than ever before, it felt like a direct sequel to OHMSS with Blofeld being even based off on Savalas' version of Blofeld, just odd especially given the history.
Sure, introducing the new Bond actor (even though Moore still remained in the role), but again, they could've chose something from the Connery Era to remind people that this is still the same Bond, and what's more odd was it remained, when Moore decided to stay, like why to reference OHMSS given its reputation at the time among the Public? And also after the Producers' efforts of forgetting that film for so many years?
For sure when the people saw it at the time, people hated it because it reminded them of OHMSS, which for many didn't felt like a proper Bond film at the time.
When you're a child, @mtm, how'd you felt about that FYEO PTS? Like it reminded you of OHMSS, and for you, it didn't felt like a proper Bond film at the time, so seeing it referenced there, what have you felt at the time?
This should be good. Very well, I'll bite. Kindle do explain what GE stole from NSNA.
IMO it has nothing to do with that. Plenty of Fleming fans loved NTTD, even though that movie took some bold directions that differed from Fleming (mainly killing Bond, something Fleming toyed with but never actually did).
I think making Bond and Blofeld forster brothers was way too convoluted, and the way it was played in the movie it didn't seem to affect Bond at all.
As far as I know even non-Bond fans found that the plot twist didn't really add anything to the movie.
New M, Fatima Blush, outdated Bond...even the laser watch. :))
Bruce Feirstein, I know what you did. ;)
Many fans saw GE first and they didn't care but It is time to put the record straight.
Yes that is a good point: it is lore without really being story on Bond's side. Bond doesn't really care (he doesn't even really seem to care about Oberhauser which does seem a bit of a missed opportunity). Blofeld basically becomes a stalker, but the problem is that the audience know when they're being played.
The Craig era also expanded on many of NSNA's ideas: Bond coming out of retirement, again having to deal with a new M, this time a male M who is younger than Bond, no opening gunbarrel, no Bond theme music (well.....until the end credits), and an older Bond having to get back into shape before returning to duty.
All we needed was for Craig's Bond to play a video game at some point and we'd be set. :D :D
That said, GE did a marvelous job of stealing from NSNA and making it look original. :D
Even if that were true (which it isn’t), GE is still 10x a better film than that turd NSNA.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
If that is the same as "GE stole everything from NSNA", then every Bond film stole "everything" from pretty much every other Bond film.
Sure, but that doesn't make any difference to what I said. I think we're all comfortable enough to admit that Bond films have been a bit sexist and guilty of a touch of misogyny here and there in the past, aren't we?
Yeah, we can say TSWLM is a YOLT's remake.
And we can say NSNA has more Fleming than the Brosnan's movies and GE stole a lot
from NSNA.
I'm quite confident that if GE had, indeed, stolen "everything" or even "a lot" from NSNA, McClory would have sued EON up the wazoo.
Even if NSNA has the benefit of working directly from a Fleming novel, without all the elements that make a Bond film special, NSNA is just a shallow and boring film. A movie made out of spite and jealousy towards EON.
NSNA and GE shouldn’t even be in the same conversation.
Why not?
Because Goldeneye is actually good ;)
Not really. It's boring and unoriginal. ;)
The safest movie since TSWLM but in a boring way.
If you think that way fine, I don’t.
Also I find it hilarious calling GE “safe and unoriginal” when you’re singing the praises of NSNA, a remake.
Yeah, It's crazy but NSNA was more fresh than GE.
Fresh like Bond's urine?
Yeah, no, NSNA is a total failure. McClory's one big move against EON is a stinker worthy of Sunday afternoon TV programming.
I think that after the long hiatus and general uncertainty about Bond's appeal in the nineties, they wanted to play things safe by giving us, indeed, just another Bond film.
And yet, I have always seen GE as a truly modern Bond film, in image and sound.
Agreed.
Besides, Octopussy introduced a new M and that came out in the same year as NSNA. I don't really see how that's "GE copying NSNA".
Also jumping back a bit, conceptually merging the Octopussy story with Blofeld I don't necessarily have a problem with but if you're gonna have him be a foster brother to Bond, it would've helped if he was the younger one in that relationship. Basically Scott should've been Blofeld and not Waltz, I'm sure he's lovely but I don't think he was right for the part.
Kinda makes sense, since Craig's Bond is actually a separate one from the first 20 films, so his Blofeld was different from the previous Blofelds, that whatever decisions happened in his era was just in his era and not affecting the Classic Bond Era.
Probably it's really set in stone, hence, why the Craig Era was made as a reboot, instead of continuing from where DAD left off, I mean the tone transition happened before with Dalton from Moore, so they could've done it, but they didn't.
Yes, I kinda agree with you, but again, Oberhauser was meant to be more older than Bond, because Bond was an orphan, and there's the angle of a son killing his own father, so would've made sense that he's a little bit grown up.
What I didn't liked in there was how all of Bond's previous missions were all made by him? I wish it didn't happened, that made that foster brother angle more worse.
Like he made Le Chiffre, Quantum, Silva and all because he's jealous of Bond? That's kinda shallow of a reasoning.
Maybe, yes. I hope they don't go that way next time though; I'd like something a little more. When I think back to CR, that really was thrilling.
I think AVTAK was influenced by NSNA though, in terms of its villains at least.
That might have been interesting. I can't decide whether that would have been stronger or possibly slightly silly (shades of Woody Allen's Jimmy Bond with his chip on his shoulder?), but certainly a good thought.
I do wonder if Oberhauser Jr should have been a different character who Blofeld had located and hired in order to mess with Bond. But then to be honest I can imagine streamlining that into one character in the script process.