Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited November 2023 Posts: 1,646
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Perhaps too much of a wish, but I'd like to see a Bond film that doesn't remind me of something else I've seen: the rogue, the resignation, the missing file with the name of every agent on it, the ticking bomb, the infiltrator of the agency, the end of the world plot, etc.

    James Bond is tasked to join the UK's Olympic swim team as a backup to infiltrate the games and interrupt a plot to kidnap an attending royal, but when players start to go missing just hours before the competition kicks off and under a strict order not to raise the alarm unless the royals are at risk, it's up to Bond to save the day, both in sport and in duty, from up on the HIGH DIVE (2026).
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Perhaps too much of a wish, but I'd like to see a Bond film that doesn't remind me of something else I've seen: the rogue, the resignation, the missing file with the name of every agent on it, the ticking bomb, the infiltrator of the agency, the end of the world plot, etc.

    James Bond is tasked to join the UK's Olympic swim team as a backup to infiltrate the games and interrupt a plot to kidnap an attending royal, but when players start to go missing just hours before the competition kicks off and under a strict order not to raise the alarm unless the royals are at risk, it's up to Bond to save the day, both in sport and in duty, from up on the HIGH DIVE (2026).

    Sounds Benson-inspired. Hopefully a womens' team would feature as well on screen and in the plot. That kind of infiltration and intrigue works fine for Bond. Needs a Bond actor in Craig-level shape.

    Alternate title maybe.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    Perhaps too much of a wish, but I'd like to see a Bond film that doesn't remind me of something else I've seen: the rogue, the resignation, the missing file with the name of every agent on it, the ticking bomb, the infiltrator of the agency, the end of the world plot, etc.

    I wish for that too, but one wonders what else the Bonds can do that hasn't already been done. All the big and small spy tropes seem to have been used, half of them originating from the Bonds themselves. I keep looking for something new that Bond can do without breaking too far out of his natural habitat. Perhaps I'm just lacking creativity. 😉😉
  • I love a ticking time bomb. How about another round of golf or Muay Thai/MMA spectating again. I like diving idea!
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    Perhaps too much of a wish, but I'd like to see a Bond film that doesn't remind me of something else I've seen: the rogue, the resignation, the missing file with the name of every agent on it, the ticking bomb, the infiltrator of the agency, the end of the world plot, etc.

    At this point it will be next to impossible to do something that isn’t similar, in one way or another, to something that has already been done. No matter how well made the next film is it will be compared to something that has come before.
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Perhaps too much of a wish, but I'd like to see a Bond film that doesn't remind me of something else I've seen: the rogue, the resignation, the missing file with the name of every agent on it, the ticking bomb, the infiltrator of the agency, the end of the world plot, etc.

    James Bond is tasked to join the UK's Olympic swim team as a backup to infiltrate the games and interrupt a plot to kidnap an attending royal, but when players start to go missing just hours before the competition kicks off and under a strict order not to raise the alarm unless the royals are at risk, it's up to Bond to save the day, both in sport and in duty, from up on the HIGH DIVE (2026).

    No one cares about royalty.

    Anyway, Bond should be international.
  • LucknFate wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Perhaps too much of a wish, but I'd like to see a Bond film that doesn't remind me of something else I've seen: the rogue, the resignation, the missing file with the name of every agent on it, the ticking bomb, the infiltrator of the agency, the end of the world plot, etc.

    James Bond is tasked to join the UK's Olympic swim team as a backup to infiltrate the games and interrupt a plot to kidnap an attending royal, but when players start to go missing just hours before the competition kicks off and under a strict order not to raise the alarm unless the royals are at risk, it's up to Bond to save the day, both in sport and in duty, from up on the HIGH DIVE (2026).

    No one cares about royalty.

    Anyway, Bond should be international.

    That would be a foreign threat to the UK, and that's his job. Games could be in L.A. for example.

    The time bomb can be under a pool tile in the deep end. Bond has to dive to it with a mini tool kit and mini breathing rig, all while taking part in the diving competition. And this is just the PTS.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Perhaps too much of a wish, but I'd like to see a Bond film that doesn't remind me of something else I've seen: the rogue, the resignation, the missing file with the name of every agent on it, the ticking bomb, the infiltrator of the agency, the end of the world plot, etc.

    James Bond is tasked to join the UK's Olympic swim team as a backup to infiltrate the games and interrupt a plot to kidnap an attending royal, but when players start to go missing just hours before the competition kicks off and under a strict order not to raise the alarm unless the royals are at risk, it's up to Bond to save the day, both in sport and in duty, from up on the HIGH DIVE (2026).

    No one cares about royalty.

    Anyway, Bond should be international.

    Pretty rude and dismissive reply.

    @LucknFate is really making an effort to look at situations where a spy like Bond could find himself in, and I'll tell you something @DEKE_RIVERS, introducing Bond in this way, with a smart ticking time bomb, I actually see a lot of promise in his idea.

    The concept would have to be layered with Bondisms, of course, but, yeah, I'm digging this idea as a jumping off point.

    Nicely done Luck...
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited November 2023 Posts: 1,646
    peter wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Perhaps too much of a wish, but I'd like to see a Bond film that doesn't remind me of something else I've seen: the rogue, the resignation, the missing file with the name of every agent on it, the ticking bomb, the infiltrator of the agency, the end of the world plot, etc.

    James Bond is tasked to join the UK's Olympic swim team as a backup to infiltrate the games and interrupt a plot to kidnap an attending royal, but when players start to go missing just hours before the competition kicks off and under a strict order not to raise the alarm unless the royals are at risk, it's up to Bond to save the day, both in sport and in duty, from up on the HIGH DIVE (2026).

    No one cares about royalty.

    Anyway, Bond should be international.

    Pretty rude and dismissive reply.

    @LucknFate is really making an effort to look at situations where a spy like Bond could find himself in, and I'll tell you something @DEKE_RIVERS, introducing Bond in this way, with a smart ticking time bomb, I actually see a lot of promise in his idea.

    The concept would have to be layered with Bondisms, of course, but, yeah, I'm digging this idea as a jumping off point.

    Nicely done Luck...

    Thanks! And in response to the "no one cares about royalty" ... I'm aware.. so lean into! Maybe Bond doesn't either. That adds a layer of intrigue to his commitment to the job in the end, and is very in character. As for international... it's the Olympics. It could be set anywhere in the world, with any cast of characters from anywhere. It's truly a sandbox setting for something like Bond.

    To further develop my little Olympics plot.. the idea is subtle subversions. Bond is at first a backup player, just along for the ride, then thrust into spotlight to compete when some of his teammates go missing. Then he's also managing the clock between investigating and actually competing for added pressure, and it can be almost comical if he maybe he doesn't have a care in the world for how he performs in the diving. (I laugh at the thought of a disgruntled M. on call to Bond after low marks: "You know... it wouldn't hurt if you actually scored well ... for appearances!"

    Again, he's under orders only to raise alarm if royals are in direct threat, and he wants to know what's going on first, so he goes along with it. Perhaps another later twist is that some of the players are in on the plot, to Bond's surprise, and obviously quite physical threats to him.

    I'm wary of a literal ticking bomb, but I support the idea nonetheless. I was really genuinely trying to avoid it, hence the subversions that it's a kidnap plot, not a terrorist bomb threat etc. They would just cancel the games or postpone etc. so not very fun. You need a situation Bond needs to play along with.

    As for villains, it could ultimately be Olympic committee conspiracy of some sort to drive interest to the games if you want to be bleak about capitalism and the modern state of the olympics, it could be an eco-terror plot because of the profound local impact the Olympic construction often costs a community that hosts the games and see the royals as suitable imperialist targets to disrupt the games, or it could be a real or made-up nation attempting to use the games to stoke global tensions, like the poisonings and dopings at the Russia-hosted winter Olympics, etc.
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 2,163


    BB: These films are of their time, arent they?
    MGW: Exactly, we are always of our time.

    Does this rule out the period piece idea?
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited November 2023 Posts: 1,646
    ^ Good to hear.


    Also, another random fun plot idea I came up with today while daydreaming at work:

    Title: Ian Fleming's James Bond 007 returns in THE BEST MAN.
    Plot: An established politician, businessman, celebrity, and/or royal gentleman is deathly afraid he will be assassinated on his wedding day. The groom is in such a position to flex his might on the government and/or M. to appoint him security, but even that he says is not enough. He wants ... THE BEST MAN for the job, to literally be his best man so he has protection even throughout the ceremony right by his side.

    And that's how you get Bond in a suit at a party with comical and tense setups, and rich weddings can be hosted anywhere, so location is not a problem. Car chase in the surrounding hills somehow, maybe a drone swarm attack on the rehearsal, Bond the detective looking for clues and suspicious of everyone, there could be a helicopter involved, or it could be on a shore so boating is at play. I do have a big action set piece involving a superyacht, helipad, helicopter, and an eventual Bond-induced mishap concept I've been kicking around, so maybe the final setup takes place out at sea on the superyacht. All this to say I'm not quite sure how to make a wedding story blow up somehow to be "big" enough for Bond on screen ultimately, but I'll explore.

    Just picture a tense scene: Bond up next to the couple at the alter, a nightmare for a spy who might be in danger, to be up on stage in front of everyone instead of hiding in the shadows from the side; make Bond uncomfortable! Up there managing his heart rate, scanning the deathly silent crowd for any hint of danger, would they dare actually strike at the this moment? Have the officiant be painfully slow to read, make the seconds really stretch out. Could play it silent or really ramp things up with like, an ungodly choir ringing in his ears, as if he feels the presence of god's hand about to sweep the moment.
  • If Nolan is the next director I'd like him to try to get Gary Oldman involved. Gary Oldman as M or a mentor figure to Bond?
  • A movie taking place in the past can be very modern and say something about the present day world.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 2023 Posts: 16,374
    Mallory wrote: »
    BB: These films are of their time, arent they?
    MGW: Exactly, we are always of our time.

    Does this rule out the period piece idea?

    They've explicitly ruled it out when asked that question in interviews before.
    LucknFate wrote: »
    ^ Good to hear.


    Also, another random fun plot idea I came up with today while daydreaming at work:

    Title: Ian Fleming's James Bond 007 returns in THE BEST MAN.
    Plot: An established politician, businessman, celebrity, and/or royal gentleman is deathly afraid he will be assassinated on his wedding day. The groom is in such a position to flex his might on the government and/or M. to appoint him security, but even that he says is not enough. He wants ... THE BEST MAN for the job, to literally be his best man so he has protection even throughout the ceremony right by his side.

    It's fun!

    I've had May The Best Man Live on my list of titles for a while- how about that? :)
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited November 2023 Posts: 1,646
    It's a perfect title, I love it. Let's go with that.

    The movie ends with one of the ladies catching the bouquet, she looks up and smiles at Bond, Bond smiles back... cut to end card: James Bond will return in... NEVER SEND FLOWERS.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    If Nolan is the next director I'd like him to try to get Gary Oldman involved. Gary Oldman as M or a mentor figure to Bond?

    Yes and yes. I'd personally go with Oldman as a villain, though. I still think knowing his ego a bit, he'd want to re-adapt a classic villain, particularly Blofeld.
    A movie taking place in the past can be very modern and say something about the present day world.

    True, Anthony Horowitz kind of did it in his three books.
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    Where do I send the whiskey?
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Where do I send the whiskey?

    Exactly what I was thinking about.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited November 2023 Posts: 3,787
    I'm not sure if this is off topic, but I'm watching the Bond Macallan Advert from the Official Facebook page of James Bond, and Barbara Broccoli was telling some Bond facts.

    So let me ask this, do they all know about Bond, I mean do they know James Bond better than us? Or there are somethings that we know better than them?

    I'm wondering if there's something that the Producers didn't know about Bond that us fans know?

    Because we fans tend to research every corner of information regarding all things Bond, of course, Cubby knows it all better than us (he's the second father of Bond other than Fleming himself), but what about Barbara?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think it's unlikely to be honest: BB for example has been living with 007 since she was a baby.
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    They know more than us but money is money.
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    Depends. Fans tend to know vague pieces of trivia and are easily able to sprout out dates etc.

    But BB and MGW have lived through/were involved in a good chunk of the early films. And they know how to make them now. So I suspect they do know Bond better than us. It’s their lives after all.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 2023 Posts: 16,374
    Plus of course they know so much about it that we'll never know which has never been made public; stuff about the production of the films, what certain people really thought about this and that, and various could-have-beens; as well as probably having access to Fleming stuff which wasn't published etc. They certainly talk about Fleming much more knowledgeably than I ever remember hearing Cubby talk.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    mtm wrote: »
    Plus of course they know so much about it that we'll never know which has never been made public; stuff about the production of the films, what certain people really thought about this and that, and various could-have-beens; as well as probably having access to Fleming stuff which wasn't published etc. They certainly talk about Fleming much more knowledgeably than I ever remember hearing Cubby talk.

    Yes, theirs would be interesting autobiographies.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Fans generally have a more solid vision of a character than that of the author(s), because the author always has a whole range of possibilities that they kill by making solid decisions, and that is always a difficult aspect of creation that can carry some regret. Authors are often open to (intelligent) changes in their work when adapting to the screen because they remember when things were not set in stone and other possibilities were considered, so a new adaptation offers the chance to go back and do things differently, to explore paths that were regretfully abandoned as the story and character took shape; fans, on the other hand, tend to want their hero's reality to be very solid, to reinforce the feeling that it's basically real. To this extent the two parties are at odds, imo.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    And quite simply, they know how to assemble all the elements to make successful Bond films (whether it’s to your tastes, or not), and we, definitely, do not.
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 1,336
    peter wrote: »
    And quite simply, they know how to assemble all the elements to make successful Bond films (whether it’s to your tastes, or not), and we, definitely, do not.

    Till now. Franchise fatigue is possible. It happened before with Cubby.

  • peterpeter Toronto
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    They’ve always been successful @DEKE_RIVERS , although, by the end of the 80s, Cubby’s product was on shaky ground.

    But they’ve never lost money, they’ve always made profit, and amazingly they’re always able to reinvent.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited November 2023 Posts: 5,970
    But even with franchise fatigue, EON are in the best possible place right now and have been for a while. They are about to reboot, reinvent and rejuvenate things. That’s the issue that Marvel and other franchises are facing really, is that everything is built up to such extent with so many characters and so many storylines and types of media, that general audiences struggle to keep up so don’t show up for everything, and Marvel specifically can’t do what EON do because it would work against everything they’ve built, the same with Star Wars. DC is about try and gets away with it sometimes, in the case of The Batman and Joker, because they’re their own movies and exist within their own space. They don’t require the homework of watching other things.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Fans generally have a more solid vision of a character than that of the author(s), because the author always has a whole range of possibilities that they kill by making solid decisions, and that is always a difficult aspect of creation that can carry some regret. Authors are often open to (intelligent) changes in their work when adapting to the screen because they remember when things were not set in stone and other possibilities were considered, so a new adaptation offers the chance to go back and do things differently, to explore paths that were regretfully abandoned as the story and character took shape; fans, on the other hand, tend to want their hero's reality to be very solid, to reinforce the feeling that it's basically real. To this extent the two parties are at odds, imo.

    That’s why I feel that we are too hard on Bond continuation novel authors. We have to realize that it’s not Fleming, just his characters and someone else’s viewpoints, to tell a story. Bond knows how to reinvent itself. I’m just grateful that we still get Bond stories.
    Denbigh wrote: »
    But even with franchise fatigue, EON are in the best possible place right now and have been for a while. They are about to reboot, reinvent and rejuvenate things. That’s the issue that Marvel and other franchises are facing really, is that everything is built up to such extent with so many characters and so many storylines and types of media, that general audiences struggle to keep up so don’t show up for everything, and Marvel specifically can’t do what EON do because it would work against everything they’ve built, the same with Star Wars. DC is about try and gets away with it sometimes, in the case of The Batman and Joker, because they’re their own movies and exist within their own space. They don’t require the homework of watching other things.

    This is true. The MCU is demanding (often unfairly) people watch this show to understand that movie. It’s kind of a turn off. Plus, they are characters that are predictable, and it’s starting to show. At least Star Wars knew to take a break. Regardless what you think of Kathleen Kennedy, at least they realize they need to refocus. This is where Bond should be right now. And yes, I prefer Joker and The Batman to anything that the DCEU offered in the last 10 years. Particularly, because they were stand alone. If WB really wanted a successful shared universe, they shouldn’t have hired Zack Snyder to begin with. Considering how controversial and polarizing his movies (directing or not) can be. If EON is refocusing, some things that they should consider are dropping the artsy Oscar wannabe directors, and Purvis and Wade. Purvis and Wade have literally have Bond resigning or leaving MI6 right after the pre-title sequence! It’s time for fresh writers, even Richard Maibaum wasn’t perfect. For now, EON will study other things, and build it into the future.
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