Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Knowing the stakes are higher with a new actor stepping into the role, if I was one of the producers I’d work with the writers I’m most comfortable working with to develop outlines and then a few drafts.

    Then I’d concern myself with hiring doctors to add the layers.

    I really can understand the value that P and W has with the producers (and likely to the financiers and distributors as well; in an industry, that on the best of days, with a hundred different decisions and gambles to make, one doesn’t want a reliable pair of hands to easily escape the stable)…
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Denbigh wrote: »
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  • Posts: 724
    Villneuve or Nolan. Yes please EON.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited March 3 Posts: 5,970
    Villneuve or Nolan.
    I mean it's interesting because they are both very unique filmmakers but also, I would say, they compliment each other so I can see them fitting if one was to follow the other in creating an entry in this next era.

    I think an issue though is that when choosing directors of this calibre, whats or whose next? A question we often ask filmmakers to avoid but with Nolan or Villeneuve involved at the beginning of a new era, they're gonna shape something that's true and distinctive to them and something that more likely than not will resonate with a lot of people, general audiences and fans alike, so you kinda have to be careful when choosing other filmmakers to enter this space because you've built a pretty solid foundation, but EON aren't strangers to this process.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Best case scenario Villeneuve is this series Alfonso Cuaron, worst case scenario he's the new Rian Johnson.
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    Whomever is the next writer and director won't make a bit difference to me before I see the next Bond film. My judgment will come after. These big names that keep popping up as possible directors mean nothing to me. I don't believe anyone hired will make a bad Bond film. But a great film? That's another matter and no guarantees. IMO, the Craig series produced four good Bond films and one great one. There was opportunity after CR to make films as good or better. For me, that didn't happen. Not everyone will agree. But for those who share my view, why didn't the films equal or surpass CR?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I am willing to give anyone a chance and go in with an open mind, but if the next movie starts and there's no gunbarrel I will be p***ed. :-w
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
    edited March 3 Posts: 735
    Both Villeneuve and Nolan in discussion a few weeks back, with reference to Tenet as Nolan's Bond including Villeneuve’s wry comment as to it being a "subversive" Bond film [formally not politically, he means]. They obviously both love Bond.

  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
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    Villeneuve sounds like Hitchcock when it comes to the importance of storyboarding everything ....
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    After doing the storyboard, Hitch felt that making the actual film was a bit redundant
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    After doing the storyboard, Hitch felt that making the actual film was a bit redundant
    Yes, haha ... but with Denis I meant to emphasize it as the most enjoyable/satisfying part, or something like that.
  • Posts: 387
    Who cares about the director, Timothée Chalamet will be the next James Bond.
    In kilt of course. I warned you guys. This will come true.
  • Posts: 1,979
    It wouldn't be the first time we've seen Bond in a kilt.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,785
    Right. 1967 Casino Royale.

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited March 4 Posts: 4,619
    peter wrote: »
    Knowing the stakes are higher with a new actor stepping into the role, if I was one of the producers I’d work with the writers I’m most comfortable working with to develop outlines and then a few drafts.

    Then I’d concern myself with hiring doctors to add the layers.

    I really can understand the value that P and W has with the producers (and likely to the financiers and distributors as well; in an industry, that on the best of days, with a hundred different decisions and gambles to make, one doesn’t want a reliable pair of hands to easily escape the stable)…

    I know @peter EON definitely wants to feel comfortable. They are the modern day version of Richard Maibaum. However, Maibaum took breaks, and EON still succeeded without him. If the internet existed back in Maibaum’s time, he probably would be criticized for being used too much. And knowing Maibaum’s ego, he’d throw criticism back at the fans, as much he did his colleagues. For better or worse, one of the biggest problems with James Bond in general is reusing the same people, when it seems they’re creatively drained. Writers (both movies and books) have proven this. As someone who also works in the media, I’ve seen my fair share of people wiping out due to drained creatively.
  • edited March 4 Posts: 4,133
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Knowing the stakes are higher with a new actor stepping into the role, if I was one of the producers I’d work with the writers I’m most comfortable working with to develop outlines and then a few drafts.

    Then I’d concern myself with hiring doctors to add the layers.

    I really can understand the value that P and W has with the producers (and likely to the financiers and distributors as well; in an industry, that on the best of days, with a hundred different decisions and gambles to make, one doesn’t want a reliable pair of hands to easily escape the stable)…

    I know @peter EON definitely wants to feel comfortable. They are the modern day version of Richard Maibaum. However, Maibaum took breaks, and EON still succeeded without him. If the internet existed back in Maibaum’s time, he probably would be criticized for being used too much. And knowing Maibaum’s ego, he’d throw criticism back at the fans, as much he did his colleagues. For better or worse, one of the biggest problems with James Bond in general is reusing the same people, when it seems they’re creatively drained. Writers (both movies and books) have proven this. As someone who also works in the media, I’ve seen my fair share of people wiping out due to drained creatively.

    To be fair to Maibaum he pretty much worked consistently on Bond from ‘62-89, obviously with the exception of YOLT and MR (and if I’m honest, the scripts for those two films are arguably weaker without his involvement). To get the best scripts EON simply hired others to come onboard. It’s essentially what they do now. So I agree it’s what Bond has always done, but it’s not necessarily a bad thing. Both Maibaum and P&W know/knew Bond, whatever my criticisms are of them.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited March 4 Posts: 4,619
    007HallY wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Knowing the stakes are higher with a new actor stepping into the role, if I was one of the producers I’d work with the writers I’m most comfortable working with to develop outlines and then a few drafts.

    Then I’d concern myself with hiring doctors to add the layers.

    I really can understand the value that P and W has with the producers (and likely to the financiers and distributors as well; in an industry, that on the best of days, with a hundred different decisions and gambles to make, one doesn’t want a reliable pair of hands to easily escape the stable)…

    I know @peter EON definitely wants to feel comfortable. They are the modern day version of Richard Maibaum. However, Maibaum took breaks, and EON still succeeded without him. If the internet existed back in Maibaum’s time, he probably would be criticized for being used too much. And knowing Maibaum’s ego, he’d throw criticism back at the fans, as much he did his colleagues. For better or worse, one of the biggest problems with James Bond in general is reusing the same people, when it seems they’re creatively drained. Writers (both movies and books) have proven this. As someone who also works in the media, I’ve seen my fair share of people wiping out due to drained creatively.

    To be fair to Maibaum he pretty much worked consistently on Bond from ‘62-89, obviously with the exception of YOLT and MR (and if I’m honest, the scripts for those two films are arguably weaker without his involvement). To get the best scripts EON simply hired others to come onboard. It’s essentially what they do now. So I agree it’s what Bond has always done, but it’s not necessarily a bad thing. Both Maibaum and P&W know/knew Bond, whatever my criticisms are of them.

    I know, and I’m happy that we got all three of them. Also, Tom Mankiewicz was solo on LALD, and Maibaum said processing drugs in the jungle was not a Bond caper. Once again, criticizing others perhaps unfairly. In particular, when he did something arguably similar in LTK.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 2,537
    It's also worth noting that Villeneuve managed to pull off the epic scale of Dune: Part Two with a budget of $190 million. (Up from Dune: Part One's $165 million budget).

    If EON / MGM are looking to create Bond 26 on a grand scale, but keep the budget well under control, Villeneuve would be one director who could pull that off.
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    I care more about the editor and overall structure. The film doesn't need to be artistic because the character will have the flair.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    There's something believable about Villeneuve being the one to launch Bond 7. Do we know Villeneuve's favourite Bond film? Do we know his favourite Bond? It would be interesting to know though.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Knowing the stakes are higher with a new actor stepping into the role, if I was one of the producers I’d work with the writers I’m most comfortable working with to develop outlines and then a few drafts.

    Then I’d concern myself with hiring doctors to add the layers.

    I really can understand the value that P and W has with the producers (and likely to the financiers and distributors as well; in an industry, that on the best of days, with a hundred different decisions and gambles to make, one doesn’t want a reliable pair of hands to easily escape the stable)…

    I know @peter EON definitely wants to feel comfortable. They are the modern day version of Richard Maibaum. However, Maibaum took breaks, and EON still succeeded without him. If the internet existed back in Maibaum’s time, he probably would be criticized for being used too much. And knowing Maibaum’s ego, he’d throw criticism back at the fans, as much he did his colleagues. For better or worse, one of the biggest problems with James Bond in general is reusing the same people, when it seems they’re creatively drained. Writers (both movies and books) have proven this. As someone who also works in the media, I’ve seen my fair share of people wiping out due to drained creatively.

    To be fair to Maibaum he pretty much worked consistently on Bond from ‘62-89, obviously with the exception of YOLT and MR (and if I’m honest, the scripts for those two films are arguably weaker without his involvement). To get the best scripts EON simply hired others to come onboard. It’s essentially what they do now. So I agree it’s what Bond has always done, but it’s not necessarily a bad thing. Both Maibaum and P&W know/knew Bond, whatever my criticisms are of them.

    I know, and I’m happy that we got all three of them. Also, Tom Mankiewicz was solo on LALD, and Maibaum said processing drugs in the jungle was not a Bond caper. Once again, criticizing others perhaps unfairly. In particular, when he did something arguably similar in LTK.

    Ah yes, that's true, I forgot about LALD. In fairness I'd also say that film makes a few script missteps too.

    And yes, Maibaum did criticise the plot unfairly I think. Not all Bond villain capers need to be grand. I would say that people often forget there's a stinger missile subplot/Sanchez threading to take down an American airliner in LTK (and honestly, it's only mentioned in dialogue and may as well have been edited out it's so weak. Even wiki didn't mention it on their plot synopsis last time I looked up the film).
  • edited March 4 Posts: 1,332
    007HallY wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Knowing the stakes are higher with a new actor stepping into the role, if I was one of the producers I’d work with the writers I’m most comfortable working with to develop outlines and then a few drafts.

    Then I’d concern myself with hiring doctors to add the layers.

    I really can understand the value that P and W has with the producers (and likely to the financiers and distributors as well; in an industry, that on the best of days, with a hundred different decisions and gambles to make, one doesn’t want a reliable pair of hands to easily escape the stable)…

    I know @peter EON definitely wants to feel comfortable. They are the modern day version of Richard Maibaum. However, Maibaum took breaks, and EON still succeeded without him. If the internet existed back in Maibaum’s time, he probably would be criticized for being used too much. And knowing Maibaum’s ego, he’d throw criticism back at the fans, as much he did his colleagues. For better or worse, one of the biggest problems with James Bond in general is reusing the same people, when it seems they’re creatively drained. Writers (both movies and books) have proven this. As someone who also works in the media, I’ve seen my fair share of people wiping out due to drained creatively.

    To be fair to Maibaum he pretty much worked consistently on Bond from ‘62-89, obviously with the exception of YOLT and MR (and if I’m honest, the scripts for those two films are arguably weaker without his involvement). To get the best scripts EON simply hired others to come onboard. It’s essentially what they do now. So I agree it’s what Bond has always done, but it’s not necessarily a bad thing. Both Maibaum and P&W know/knew Bond, whatever my criticisms are of them.

    LALD script is a weak one too.

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,619
    There's something believable about Villeneuve being the one to launch Bond 7. Do we know Villeneuve's favourite Bond film? Do we know his favourite Bond? It would be interesting to know though.

    Apparently, he is a big fan and his favorites are CR and SF, according to IMDB. I’d guess his favorite Bond actor is Craig. I’d actually be ok with Christopher Nolan directing the next Bond’s debut, with Denis Villeneuve directing the second, as he now has two great sequels to his name.
    007HallY wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Knowing the stakes are higher with a new actor stepping into the role, if I was one of the producers I’d work with the writers I’m most comfortable working with to develop outlines and then a few drafts.

    Then I’d concern myself with hiring doctors to add the layers.

    I really can understand the value that P and W has with the producers (and likely to the financiers and distributors as well; in an industry, that on the best of days, with a hundred different decisions and gambles to make, one doesn’t want a reliable pair of hands to easily escape the stable)…

    I know @peter EON definitely wants to feel comfortable. They are the modern day version of Richard Maibaum. However, Maibaum took breaks, and EON still succeeded without him. If the internet existed back in Maibaum’s time, he probably would be criticized for being used too much. And knowing Maibaum’s ego, he’d throw criticism back at the fans, as much he did his colleagues. For better or worse, one of the biggest problems with James Bond in general is reusing the same people, when it seems they’re creatively drained. Writers (both movies and books) have proven this. As someone who also works in the media, I’ve seen my fair share of people wiping out due to drained creatively.

    To be fair to Maibaum he pretty much worked consistently on Bond from ‘62-89, obviously with the exception of YOLT and MR (and if I’m honest, the scripts for those two films are arguably weaker without his involvement). To get the best scripts EON simply hired others to come onboard. It’s essentially what they do now. So I agree it’s what Bond has always done, but it’s not necessarily a bad thing. Both Maibaum and P&W know/knew Bond, whatever my criticisms are of them.

    I know, and I’m happy that we got all three of them. Also, Tom Mankiewicz was solo on LALD, and Maibaum said processing drugs in the jungle was not a Bond caper. Once again, criticizing others perhaps unfairly. In particular, when he did something arguably similar in LTK.

    Ah yes, that's true, I forgot about LALD. In fairness I'd also say that film makes a few script missteps too.

    And yes, Maibaum did criticise the plot unfairly I think. Not all Bond villain capers need to be grand. I would say that people often forget there's a stinger missile subplot/Sanchez threading to take down an American airliner in LTK (and honestly, it's only mentioned in dialogue and may as well have been edited out it's so weak. Even wiki didn't mention it on their plot synopsis last time I looked up the film).

    I agree, LALD’s script is definitely flawed. The boat chase alone is proof of that, with or without Sheriff JW Pepper. While it’s not his fault due to time constraints, remember Maibaum was the one who introduced the Solex in TMWTGG. Mankiewicz’s script was originally written with Bond and Scaramanga as equals. I blame Guy Hamilton though for most of the flaws of TMWTGG. So at least Purvis and Wade can disagree with others while being respectful. As for the future writers, I still stand my ground with EON being as fresh as possible.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    There's something believable about Villeneuve being the one to launch Bond 7. Do we know Villeneuve's favourite Bond film? Do we know his favourite Bond? It would be interesting to know though.

    He returns to Casino Royale and Skyfall a lot, he says. https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/denis-villeneuve-names-his-favourite-james-bond-movie/#:~:text=More specifically, Villeneuve names Casino,Chiffre, played by Mads Mikkelsen.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    There's something believable about Villeneuve being the one to launch Bond 7. Do we know Villeneuve's favourite Bond film? Do we know his favourite Bond? It would be interesting to know though.

    Apparently, he is a big fan and his favorites are CR and SF, according to IMDB. I’d guess his favorite Bond actor is Craig. I’d actually be ok with Christopher Nolan directing the next Bond’s debut, with Denis Villeneuve directing the second, as he now has two great sequels to his name.
    007HallY wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Knowing the stakes are higher with a new actor stepping into the role, if I was one of the producers I’d work with the writers I’m most comfortable working with to develop outlines and then a few drafts.

    Then I’d concern myself with hiring doctors to add the layers.

    I really can understand the value that P and W has with the producers (and likely to the financiers and distributors as well; in an industry, that on the best of days, with a hundred different decisions and gambles to make, one doesn’t want a reliable pair of hands to easily escape the stable)…

    I know @peter EON definitely wants to feel comfortable. They are the modern day version of Richard Maibaum. However, Maibaum took breaks, and EON still succeeded without him. If the internet existed back in Maibaum’s time, he probably would be criticized for being used too much. And knowing Maibaum’s ego, he’d throw criticism back at the fans, as much he did his colleagues. For better or worse, one of the biggest problems with James Bond in general is reusing the same people, when it seems they’re creatively drained. Writers (both movies and books) have proven this. As someone who also works in the media, I’ve seen my fair share of people wiping out due to drained creatively.

    To be fair to Maibaum he pretty much worked consistently on Bond from ‘62-89, obviously with the exception of YOLT and MR (and if I’m honest, the scripts for those two films are arguably weaker without his involvement). To get the best scripts EON simply hired others to come onboard. It’s essentially what they do now. So I agree it’s what Bond has always done, but it’s not necessarily a bad thing. Both Maibaum and P&W know/knew Bond, whatever my criticisms are of them.

    I know, and I’m happy that we got all three of them. Also, Tom Mankiewicz was solo on LALD, and Maibaum said processing drugs in the jungle was not a Bond caper. Once again, criticizing others perhaps unfairly. In particular, when he did something arguably similar in LTK.

    Ah yes, that's true, I forgot about LALD. In fairness I'd also say that film makes a few script missteps too.

    And yes, Maibaum did criticise the plot unfairly I think. Not all Bond villain capers need to be grand. I would say that people often forget there's a stinger missile subplot/Sanchez threading to take down an American airliner in LTK (and honestly, it's only mentioned in dialogue and may as well have been edited out it's so weak. Even wiki didn't mention it on their plot synopsis last time I looked up the film).

    I agree, LALD’s script is definitely flawed. The boat chase alone is proof of that, with or without Sheriff JW Pepper. While it’s not his fault due to time constraints, remember Maibaum was the one who introduced the Solex in TMWTGG. Mankiewicz’s script was originally written with Bond and Scaramanga as equals. I blame Guy Hamilton though for most of the flaws of TMWTGG. So at least Purvis and Wade can disagree with others while being respectful. As for the future writers, I still stand my ground with EON being as fresh as possible.

    LALD didn't quite play to Moore's strengths. You get bizarre scenes such as Bond tricking Solitare into sleeping with him by using trick cards (I honestly maintain that even Connery would have come across badly if his Bond had been made to do that). These problems only got worse by TMWTGG.

    I do agree that Guy Hamilton was a flawed Bond director. DAF especially has some atrocious filmmaking (ie. dialogue portions that have been seemingly sped up by accident, bad and unnatural fight choreography, odd editing choices etc.) They have a sort of cheap 'televisual' quality to them compared to the efforts of Gilbert, Hunt, and even Young. The humour is often just a bit too ironic and outlandish. I know Hunt had complaints about his directing choices on GF and was unhappy with some of the footage.

    I think the most interesting Bond films are written when you have at least one party who really understand Bond, and preferably Fleming. It just keeps a good balance that the films have maintained. So I think P&W have their place.
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    There's something believable about Villeneuve being the one to launch Bond 7. Do we know Villeneuve's favourite Bond film? Do we know his favourite Bond? It would be interesting to know though.

    He returns to Casino Royale and Skyfall a lot, he says. https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/denis-villeneuve-names-his-favourite-james-bond-movie/#:~:text=More specifically, Villeneuve names Casino,Chiffre, played by Mads Mikkelsen.

    Always a good sign, those choices. Just like CN preferring OHMSS. These guys know their stuff.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited March 4 Posts: 8,395
    Personally I don't think EON will make Bond 26 for less than 200 million dollars. They're whole mission statement is to make Bond feel like a huge event that only comes around once in a while, and the last time they didn't spend at least 200 million on a Bond film was Casino Royale.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited March 4 Posts: 1,645
    Personally I don't think EON will make Bond 26 for less than 200 million dollars. They're whole mission statement is to make Bond feel like a huge event that only comes around once in a while, and the last time they didn't spend at least 200 million on a Bond film was Casino Royale.

    Might depend on the cast. If they go big for the supporting characters, they'll have to pay out. But Dune has shown you can make a big blockbuster with high talent for less than $200 mil. It's doable, and probably should be a soft goal for the first film.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    007HallY wrote: »

    LALD didn't quite play to Moore's strengths. You get bizarre scenes such as Bond tricking Solitare into sleeping with him by using trick cards (I honestly maintain that even Connery would have come across badly if his Bond had been made to do that). These problems only got worse by TMWTGG.

    It's an odd scene, but The Lovers card had already been drawn quite genuinely earlier in the film, so Solitaire already believes it's going to happen. The film is strange because it runs on dream logic anyway, with Bond asking her to use her powers to get him important tactical information, only to completely accept her word that now that she has taken a lover she can no longer see the future. You'd think he'd at least ask her to try and see - I see psychic ability as something Bond might be open to believing in, but gods and magic I can't imagine him buying into - however he doesn't ask her to test it just in case, despite the fact it puts them both in more danger to be flying blind.
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