Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Interestingly, the average fist fight per film is 3-4, and a few extra in Craig's era. I wouldn't want to see a John Wick style 10-minute combat, long fights are dated. He should be quick and deadly in close combat.

    That's why I loved the Craig Bond of QoS: ruthless, efficient, and wastes no time. The way he so quickly dispatches Slate, takes his clothes and equipment, and flees the Hotel Dessalines is brilliance.

    I'm all for longer combat sequences though if they're done well.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Interestingly, the average fist fight per film is 3-4, and a few extra in Craig's era. I wouldn't want to see a John Wick style 10-minute combat, long fights are dated. He should be quick and deadly in close combat.

    That's why I loved the Craig Bond of QoS: ruthless, efficient, and wastes no time. The way he so quickly dispatches Slate, takes his clothes and equipment, and flees the Hotel Dessalines is brilliance.

    I'm all for longer combat sequences though if they're done well.

    It's a great fight and kill. Bond uses a vase and a photo frame lol
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    To be fair Moore was better fighter in The Saint.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    And puts his hand in Slate's shoe and jabs him in the throat with it!
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    Venutius wrote: »
    And puts his hand in Slate's shoe and jabs him in the throat with it!

    Like a boxing glove. Wonder who thought of that choreo.

    There's wrist locks, arm blocks, a straight-foot lock. He is a Karate man.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    peter wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    peter wrote: »

    But going back to Moore: I think not training him properly was a missed opportunity. The man was tall and broad. He had the structure to have an incredibly fit physique.

    Seeing him fight in the belly dancer's room in TMWTGG showed a man who seemed much taller and broader than the goons. I don't know why they didn't capitalize on Moore's size, give him a basic fitness regiment to tighten his middle and chest, keep his fighting skills simple and clean, and he would have presented, when needed, a much more deadly version of himself (which wouldn't have taken away from his god given charm).

    He was one of the most striking people I've ever seen in real life: like a cartoon character come to life. I've never seen someone with such wide shoulders and comparatively short legs - he was all torso, like Johnny Bravo! :D

    Even his jaw and chin looked like it was chiselled by a comicbook artist.

    Indeed! He was the most stereotypical and cartoonish example of 'handsome man', and he had fun with that.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    mtm wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    peter wrote: »

    But going back to Moore: I think not training him properly was a missed opportunity. The man was tall and broad. He had the structure to have an incredibly fit physique.

    Seeing him fight in the belly dancer's room in TMWTGG showed a man who seemed much taller and broader than the goons. I don't know why they didn't capitalize on Moore's size, give him a basic fitness regiment to tighten his middle and chest, keep his fighting skills simple and clean, and he would have presented, when needed, a much more deadly version of himself (which wouldn't have taken away from his god given charm).

    He was one of the most striking people I've ever seen in real life: like a cartoon character come to life. I've never seen someone with such wide shoulders and comparatively short legs - he was all torso, like Johnny Bravo! :D

    Even his jaw and chin looked like it was chiselled by a comicbook artist.

    Indeed! He was the most stereotypical and cartoonish example of 'handsome man', and he had fun with that.

    Yes, absolutely. Tongue firmly planted in cheek. And his heart was in the right place as his work with Unicef would indicate. Obviously children were his main soft spot.
  • delfloria wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    If we're looking
    delfloria wrote: »
    I hope we don't get a gym guy. I never got the feeling that Fleming's or the classic film Bond was dedicated to working out. Seemed to be more about pleasure than pain.

    Yeah but it's too late for that. We are in the S. XXI. Nobody is going to believe that a skinny guy can do what Bond does.

    Not going to the gym doesn't mean skinny. I would imagine Bond does a lot of calisthenics at home: "prison workouts." There's also things like running and swimming that get you in good enough shape.

    In fact, I can't help but think that Fleming's Bond would dislike the gym and gym culture and dismiss it as a modern fad not worth participating in (and M would not hire gym-goers to MI6)

    I'm not talking about "gym culture". What I'm saying is that the new actor is going to get beefy.

    And that goes to my original comment................... Bond does not have to be "beefy" just fit. He should train for an assignment but not be in "Top Physical Body Building Shape" all the time. Hey, what the heck do I know................ I think he should still drink, have casual sex and..................smoke occasionally.

    No, the films do not need to include smoking anymore. They were correct to get rid of that.

    Then we get to disagree. People always on the edge of being killed in the line of duty should be given the latitude to smoke. Even Bond.

    They shouldn't bring smoking back because we shouldn't show smoking as "cool" anymore. There is a reason they got rid of it thirty years ago.

    We shouldn't show killing as "cool" either but that IS what Bond does. So why not have him smoke as well?

    +1. Why do people forget that Bond is meant to be unlikeable?

    How exactly is Bond meant to be unlikeable? And if he's unlikeable, how does he attract all the women he does in the films and novels? How does Bond being unlikable contribute to the best films

    Ask Fleming himself, man.
    https://spymovienavigator.com/video/ian-fleming-didnt-intend-james-bond-to-be-likeable/

    “I didn’t intend for Bond to be likeable. He’s a blunt instrument in the hands of the government. He’s got vices and few perceptible virtues.”

    Besides, lots of unlikeable men attract women. Women fall in love with prisoners all the time.

    I tend not to trust authors in interviews about their work (the "defecating wizards" rule). Only in Casino Royale does Bond come off as unlikeable (and it lands in his face in the end), and in the rest he is too charming to his friends and ladies to every come across that way. But Fleming especially has said many things on Bond. He has also said that Bond is a normal bloke: "uninteresing man to who things happened." The latter certainly comes through more in any media Bond is in.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Sadly some seem to see anyone with an athletic, muscular build as a” gym rat” It speaks volumes.

    That was me. What volumes would that be? Simple description to get the point across. "Last rat standing" and all that. After all, Bond is more of a Casino Rat than being a Gym Rat. This is Bond we are talking about.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    delfloria wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Sadly some seem to see anyone with an athletic, muscular build as a” gym rat” It speaks volumes.

    That was me. What volumes would that be? Simple description to get the point across. "Last rat standing" and all that. After all, Bond is more of a Casino Rat than being a Gym Rat. This is Bond we are talking about.

    Craig has set a new standard. It is laughable when some say that he was too bulked up in Casino Royale and looked like a bodybuilder; that’s ridiculous. He looked exactly how he should have looked, like someone who had just come from a special forces background.

    The only scene where he looks bigger is when he comes out of the water in the Bahamas ; that is more a result of lighting and framing than actual bulk . The Bahamas scenes were all filmed at the same time period; when he arrives at the Ocean Club he looks far from bulky. He looks athletic and lean. The same is true when he’s sitting at his computer in his room.

  • peterpeter Toronto
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    talos7 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Sadly some seem to see anyone with an athletic, muscular build as a” gym rat” It speaks volumes.

    That was me. What volumes would that be? Simple description to get the point across. "Last rat standing" and all that. After all, Bond is more of a Casino Rat than being a Gym Rat. This is Bond we are talking about.

    Craig has set a new standard. It is laughable when some say that he was too bulked up in Casino Royale and looked like a bodybuilder; that’s ridiculous. He looked exactly how he should have looked, like someone who had just come from a special forces background.

    The only scene where he looks bigger is when he comes out of the water in the Bahamas ; that is more a result of lighting and framing than actual bulk . The Bahamas scenes were all filmed at the same time period; when he arrives at the Ocean Club he looks far from bulky. He looks athletic and lean. The same is true when he’s sitting at his computer in his room.

    Yessir. He's lean and strong looking, but he's far from some gym-bro juice monkey. That's a physique that would respond when called into action.

    I really am confused by what the problem is??

  • peter wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Sadly some seem to see anyone with an athletic, muscular build as a” gym rat” It speaks volumes.

    That was me. What volumes would that be? Simple description to get the point across. "Last rat standing" and all that. After all, Bond is more of a Casino Rat than being a Gym Rat. This is Bond we are talking about.

    Craig has set a new standard. It is laughable when some say that he was too bulked up in Casino Royale and looked like a bodybuilder; that’s ridiculous. He looked exactly how he should have looked, like someone who had just come from a special forces background.

    The only scene where he looks bigger is when he comes out of the water in the Bahamas ; that is more a result of lighting and framing than actual bulk . The Bahamas scenes were all filmed at the same time period; when he arrives at the Ocean Club he looks far from bulky. He looks athletic and lean. The same is true when he’s sitting at his computer in his room.

    Yessir. He's lean and strong looking, but he's far from some gym-bro juice monkey. That's a physique that would respond when called into action.

    I really am confused by what the problem is??

    Well in the "Honey Bond" scene it looks like he is quite the bodybuilder. He looks quite good in Quantum, but also a bit smaller.

    Anyway, there's a strong spectrum involved in doing these things: there's Bond regularly goes to a fitness centre to use machines/weights, Bond regularly does weighted training at home, or Bond does unweighted exercise at home and regular sports. Or Bond does nothing on the regular and just works to get ready for job

    I mean I personally could never see Bond going to a public fitness centre and paying for a membership. It feels overly normal and also the sort of thing that's impractical for his job.

    All that matters is that he's fit for the job though. How doesn't really matter
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    peter wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Sadly some seem to see anyone with an athletic, muscular build as a” gym rat” It speaks volumes.

    That was me. What volumes would that be? Simple description to get the point across. "Last rat standing" and all that. After all, Bond is more of a Casino Rat than being a Gym Rat. This is Bond we are talking about.

    Craig has set a new standard. It is laughable when some say that he was too bulked up in Casino Royale and looked like a bodybuilder; that’s ridiculous. He looked exactly how he should have looked, like someone who had just come from a special forces background.

    The only scene where he looks bigger is when he comes out of the water in the Bahamas ; that is more a result of lighting and framing than actual bulk . The Bahamas scenes were all filmed at the same time period; when he arrives at the Ocean Club he looks far from bulky. He looks athletic and lean. The same is true when he’s sitting at his computer in his room.

    Yessir. He's lean and strong looking, but he's far from some gym-bro juice monkey. That's a physique that would respond when called into action.

    I really am confused by what the problem is??

    Well in the "Honey Bond" scene it looks like he is quite the bodybuilder. He looks quite good in Quantum, but also a bit smaller.

    Anyway, there's a strong spectrum involved in doing these things: there's Bond regularly goes to a fitness centre to use machines/weights, Bond regularly does weighted training at home, or Bond does unweighted exercise at home and regular sports. Or Bond does nothing on the regular and just works to get ready for job

    I mean I personally could never see Bond going to a public fitness centre and paying for a membership. It feels overly normal and also the sort of thing that's impractical for his job.

    All that matters is that he's fit for the job though. How doesn't really matter

    Again, the lighting and framing have a great deal to do with his looking bulkier in that sequence. In all of the other scenes filmed in the same timeframe he does not look bulky.

    The next actor will have a physique that looks closer to Craig’s than any of the other actors who preceded him.

  • peterpeter Toronto
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    peter wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Sadly some seem to see anyone with an athletic, muscular build as a” gym rat” It speaks volumes.

    That was me. What volumes would that be? Simple description to get the point across. "Last rat standing" and all that. After all, Bond is more of a Casino Rat than being a Gym Rat. This is Bond we are talking about.

    Craig has set a new standard. It is laughable when some say that he was too bulked up in Casino Royale and looked like a bodybuilder; that’s ridiculous. He looked exactly how he should have looked, like someone who had just come from a special forces background.

    The only scene where he looks bigger is when he comes out of the water in the Bahamas ; that is more a result of lighting and framing than actual bulk . The Bahamas scenes were all filmed at the same time period; when he arrives at the Ocean Club he looks far from bulky. He looks athletic and lean. The same is true when he’s sitting at his computer in his room.

    Yessir. He's lean and strong looking, but he's far from some gym-bro juice monkey. That's a physique that would respond when called into action.

    I really am confused by what the problem is??

    Well in the "Honey Bond" scene it looks like he is quite the bodybuilder. He looks quite good in Quantum, but also a bit smaller.

    Anyway, there's a strong spectrum involved in doing these things: there's Bond regularly goes to a fitness centre to use machines/weights, Bond regularly does weighted training at home, or Bond does unweighted exercise at home and regular sports. Or Bond does nothing on the regular and just works to get ready for job

    I mean I personally could never see Bond going to a public fitness centre and paying for a membership. It feels overly normal and also the sort of thing that's impractical for his job.

    All that matters is that he's fit for the job though. How doesn't really matter

    Oh I don’t see Bond going to a fitness center. Just as there is a shooting range in the basement of Mi6, there must be regular unarmed combat training, functional strength with instructors and so on.

    It’s a daily requirement (three days weights/swimming/sprints with ruck sacks, two days of MMA and functional training (gymnastic style training, combined with flipping tires, sledgehammers, sled pushes and pulls etc (VO2 max work that is better than “cardio”). Weekends are left for Bond to go to private gambling saloons and sleeping with one of his married lady friends…
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    Of course, the training facilities at the HQ!! He's had years of military training and now he keeps on top of his fitness and strength. As long as he looks buff there'll no questions asked.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I think there would also be a certain level of competitiveness between the 00s, and that would contribute to them keeping themselves in top shape.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I think there would also be a certain level of competitiveness between the 00s, and that would contribute to them keeping themselves in top shape.

    I was thinking the same! A group of alphas ? There'd be a few bloody noses and bruised egos at the end of each week!
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    @peter As you know, I am a professional Firefighter who has been in service for thirty two years; for numerous reasons, staying in shape is a priority. Giving this line of conversation a bit more thought, I absolutely think that in the year 2024, an agent would more than likely belong to a gym or some type of fitness facility. I absolutely love physical training, but I also love the social aspect of a gym. Where I train, it is a very popular facility with people from all backgrounds, including police, fire FBI, DEA, and more. I have no difficulty believing that a Bond, in this day and age. would belong to one. This isn’t the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s or even early 2000’s.

    Also, there are a lot of great looking women who are also interested in physical fitness; Bond would not be unaware…
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    Keep 007 Strong/Fit but not too much to the point where he can obliterate any obstacle coming his way. For all the faults I have with Hinx, it was nice seeing someone bigger than Craig tossing him around in SP.
  • edited May 31 Posts: 4,273
    mtm wrote: »
    peter wrote: »

    But going back to Moore: I think not training him properly was a missed opportunity. The man was tall and broad. He had the structure to have an incredibly fit physique.

    Seeing him fight in the belly dancer's room in TMWTGG showed a man who seemed much taller and broader than the goons. I don't know why they didn't capitalize on Moore's size, give him a basic fitness regiment to tighten his middle and chest, keep his fighting skills simple and clean, and he would have presented, when needed, a much more deadly version of himself (which wouldn't have taken away from his god given charm).

    He was one of the most striking people I've ever seen in real life: like a cartoon character come to life. I've never seen someone with such wide shoulders and comparatively short legs - he was all torso, like Johnny Bravo! :D

    The funny thing I always think about Roger and his relatively unconvincing fight scenes (!) is that he probably had about twice the amount of screen fights of all of the other Bonds combined, what with his various long-running TV shows where there would be the requisite two fights per episode.

    I actually think Moore's natural physique benefited him onscreen. I don't think he was naturally as athletic as the other Bonds (he seemed to have various health issues his whole life, although for what it's worth I think he worked out a bit for the role) but the wide shoulders and broad chest in his earlier films especially make him look quite lean. Helps when you have closer shots which don't show his small legs I guess! And he likely gained weight when he was older which pronounced it.

    As for fight scenes, I think when his films leaned into a more gritty/'realistic' aesthetic it worked best. The club fight in TMWTGG is genuinely one of my favourite Bond fights (the part when Bond starts smashing the guy's head against the wall affected me so much when I was younger. It's probably in part the sound effects/screams, but it's such a startling moment). I actually find it more gripping than some of Craig's later fight scenes as it genuinely looks less rehearsed/choreographed.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    talos7 wrote: »
    @peter As you know, I am a professional Firefighter who has been in service for thirty two years; for numerous reasons, staying in shape is a priority. Giving this line of conversation a bit more thought, I absolutely think that in the year 2024, an agent would more than likely belong to a gym or some type of fitness facility. I absolutely love physical training, but I also love the social aspect of a gym. Where I train, it is a very popular facility with people from all backgrounds, including police, fire FBI, DEA, and more. I have no difficulty believing that a Bond, in this day and age. would belong to one. This isn’t the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s or even early 2000’s.

    Also, there are a lot of great looking women who are also interested in physical fitness; Bond would not be unaware…

    Yeah, @talos7 , you're definitely someone I admire. You've reaped and amassed all the benefits of fitness and training; you look a good fifteen to twenty years younger. That's dedication and hard work, and countless hours.

    I started training for real by age twenty and have never stopped. Climbing to almost 30 years later, I eyeball that prize of slowing down aging that you've succeeded at accomplishing (I've shown a couple ppl on here my deadlift is at 330 lbs at the moment, after rehabbing a nasty case of patella tendinitis).

    As for Mr. Bond, in real life, yep, I can see almost everyone of various backgrounds being a member of a gym.

    But in this fictitious world of British spies with a license to kill, I love the exclusive secrecy and mystique of a state of the art training facility in the basement of MI6 HQ. Double-0s training and competing at the start of each day before they go up to their offices to await their next mission. I could even see a few scenes down here ... Similar to SKYFALL, but higher end and more state of the art, more functional, with instructors and cameras watching and grading and analyzing...

    A real life gym, no matter how beautiful could never be cinematic enough for Mr. Bond (or at least in my imagination, 😂)!!
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    What attracts me to Bond is his life and style are not the same as mine. I like that fantasy for a couple of hours every few years. If I need lessons on how to behave in today's world and what is right and proper, I'll turn to Miss Manners.

    A general comment about Bond not smoking or behaving in certain ways.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    talos7 wrote: »
    @peter As you know, I am a professional Firefighter who has been in service for thirty two years; for numerous reasons, staying in shape is a priority. Giving this line of conversation a bit more thought, I absolutely think that in the year 2024, an agent would more than likely belong to a gym or some type of fitness facility. I absolutely love physical training, but I also love the social aspect of a gym. Where I train, it is a very popular facility with people from all backgrounds, including police, fire FBI, DEA, and more. I have no difficulty believing that a Bond, in this day and age. would belong to one. This isn’t the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s or even early 2000’s.

    Also, there are a lot of great looking women who are also interested in physical fitness; Bond would not be unaware…

    Yeah, we've even seen Bond working out in Skyfall, and it didn't seem out of place at all to me- he was training in a way which looked suitable to how a proper military superfit guy would. (And NSNA I guess, but it was slightly less convincing there!)
    007HallY wrote: »
    As for fight scenes, I think when his films leaned into a more gritty/'realistic' aesthetic it worked best. The club fight in TMWTGG is genuinely one of my favourite Bond fights (the part when Bond starts smashing the guy's head against the wall affected me so much when I was younger. It's probably in part the sound effects/screams, but it's such a startling moment). I actually find it more gripping than some of Craig's later fight scenes as it genuinely looks less rehearsed/choreographed.

    Yeah I think that's Roger's best fight, maybe the one in Octopussy's bedroom comes a close second as he actually seems a bit pissed off and yet professional in that one. They give him a nice little combo where he guards against multiple blows from a guy and uses it against him, that's quite sweet.
  • I don't really think Bond would work-out on the job: after all, he does have quite a bit of paperwork going on a lot of the time. I suppose there's the sort of shooting, workout and fighting courses that happens, but I'd imagine that Bond has to do a lot of work by himself. That means he'd be doing simpler things with kettlebells and dumbbells, as well as body weight exercises. Those sorts of things are easier to practice with limited equipment, in a hotel room etc.

    I see Bond as a private investigator for Britain with an added licence to kill, so I while I obviously see why he should be "buff," I'd prefer a build more like Sean Connery's early films, or even Dalton in LTK.

    And of course there's running and swimming that he'd do.

    A propos to Bond going to a fitness centre, I don't see him doing it because it is the sort of fad that I believe Fleming would have disliked (maybe because he was so unhealthy). Bond disliking it feels similar to Bond disliking tea.

    It also feels like too much of a community. Even though you could go with earbuds in and not speak to anybody, it feels too uniting for Bond.

    I suppose the movie world is different from the literary one, so this musing might not work well on screen
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    I suppose an element of it is that Bond is an underdog of sorts. It's not that he's the strongest, smartest, the most dedicated to going to the gym etc. If anything he does fall into bad habits and sometimes has a less than satisfactory standard of health but overcomes this. It's more about his endurance, his dedication when the situation requires it.

    It doesn't really matter regardless - I don't think we're going to see Bond going to the gym in a film anytime soon, and I agree beyond training/swimming and perhaps running alone I don't think the character in his fictional world would bother with it.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I don't really think Bond would work-out on the job: after all, he does have quite a bit of paperwork going on a lot of the time. I suppose there's the sort of shooting, workout and fighting courses that happens, but I'd imagine that Bond has to do a lot of work by himself. That means he'd be doing simpler things with kettlebells and dumbbells, as well as body weight exercises. Those sorts of things are easier to practice with limited equipment, in a hotel room etc.

    I see Bond as a private investigator for Britain with an added licence to kill, so I while I obviously see why he should be "buff," I'd prefer a build more like Sean Connery's early films, or even Dalton in LTK.

    And of course there's running and swimming that he'd do.

    A propos to Bond going to a fitness centre, I don't see him doing it because it is the sort of fad that I believe Fleming would have disliked (maybe because he was so unhealthy). Bond disliking it feels similar to Bond disliking tea.

    It also feels like too much of a community. Even though you could go with earbuds in and not speak to anybody, it feels too uniting for Bond.

    I suppose the movie world is different from the literary one, so this musing might not work well on screen

    Fitness centers and gyms are in no way a fad; they are an intrinsic part of contemporary culture.
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    I'm just thinking an assassin wouldn't really mix with civilians. Isn't he a lone wolf, no real friends, that type of personal life.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
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    A public gym is too ordinary. It’d be like Bond going to the supermarket.

    In my head, I imagined it as similar to being in the Reserve Forces. One weekend per month, the 00s would be sent off to some remote military-style training camp, like Dartmoor, but with more of an emphasis on spycraft, and be put through their paces.

    But I think I like @peter's suggestion more.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I don't really think Bond would work-out on the job: after all, he does have quite a bit of paperwork going on a lot of the time. I suppose there's the sort of shooting, workout and fighting courses that happens, but I'd imagine that Bond has to do a lot of work by himself. That means he'd be doing simpler things with kettlebells and dumbbells, as well as body weight exercises. Those sorts of things are easier to practice with limited equipment, in a hotel room etc.

    I see Bond as a private investigator for Britain with an added licence to kill, so I while I obviously see why he should be "buff," I'd prefer a build more like Sean Connery's early films, or even Dalton in LTK.

    And of course there's running and swimming that he'd do.

    A propos to Bond going to a fitness centre, I don't see him doing it because it is the sort of fad that I believe Fleming would have disliked (maybe because he was so unhealthy). Bond disliking it feels similar to Bond disliking tea.

    It also feels like too much of a community. Even though you could go with earbuds in and not speak to anybody, it feels too uniting for Bond.

    I suppose the movie world is different from the literary one, so this musing might not work well on screen

    Fitness centers and gyms are in no way a fad; they are an intrinsic part of contemporary culture.

    Bond is not exactly part of real world culture. And as stated above Fleming would have probably eschewed the idea of Bond going to a gym had they been popular during his time in the same way he did tea.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Time for me to disengage from this conversation.
    I find some I’ve the views so detached from reality and, to be blunt, so pompous, that to continue would simply be an exercise in frustration.
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