Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
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    We won’t really know anything until they decide to say something about it on their own volition.

    So, I’ll just wait it out. To be honest, I’ll probably only feel antsy if we reach 2026 and still get no word on what’s happening.

    I would think that the best thing for the community is to discuss the future of Bond in the interim, in the context of having what we have had to date. Things will never go back but only go forwards - I would think that is a good unifying message.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    As in how current cinema will be reflected, like how CR must have taken inspiration from Bourne and Batman Begins.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    There's been as many ghostbusters films since 2010 as there have bond films.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    There's been as many ghostbusters films since 2010 as there have bond films.

    So? They’re abysmal.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    There's been as many ghostbusters films since 2010 as there have bond films.

    So? They’re abysmal.

    Exactly.

    Quantity has nothing to do with quality. These two things have been conflated too often.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I loved Ghostbusters as a kid, but those recent movies made me feel nothing at all. Just horrible.
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    Yeah, not quite sure why studios have decided to keep going with Ghostbusters of all things. Just from a cynical business standpoint it's not a franchise with a lot of financial potential. The first film, while a classic, came out in the early 80s and only had one sequel which wasn't as successful. Even if an all female reboot or a sequel nearly 40 years after the first were a good idea creatively there's not really enough of a fan base there to carry it.

    Anyway, I think it's worth saying it's a pretty pivotal point for Bond. We're not in 1969 territory where a change in actor and an unsuccessful film is the major issue, but we are in a bit of a existential crisis for cinema, and there's not really an inherent idea of where to go creatively that will ensure the success needed not only to get a good gross at the box office (Bond should be relatively capable of that anyway) but to ensure Bond remains fresh and relevant. We obviously have a video game coming out next year and that may well be part of this strategy (I understand some members here have no interest in this and that's understandable, but many Bond fans are in fact gamers and potentially a wider audience and excitement for the franchise is to be gained from this). The fact is the UK film industry simply isn't in a great place at the moment either for various reasons. But we'll see what happens I guess...
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    Fresh and relevant. I'll keep my face in these films only. Add in some star power and more people might be tempted to visit the cinema. It will be an event!
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Yeah, not quite sure why studios have decided to keep going with Ghostbusters of all things. Just from a cynical business standpoint it's not a franchise with a lot of financial potential. The first film, while a classic, came out in the early 80s and only had one sequel which wasn't as successful. Even if an all female reboot or a sequel nearly 40 years after the first were a good idea creatively there's not really enough of a fan base there to carry it.

    Anyway, I think it's worth saying it's a pretty pivotal point for Bond. We're not in 1969 territory where a change in actor and an unsuccessful film is the major issue, but we are in a bit of a existential crisis for cinema, and there's not really an inherent idea of where to go creatively that will ensure the success needed not only to get a good gross at the box office (Bond should be relatively capable of that anyway) but to ensure Bond remains fresh and relevant. We obviously have a video game coming out next year and that may well be part of this strategy (I understand some members here have no interest in this and that's understandable, but many Bond fans are in fact gamers and potentially a wider audience and excitement for the franchise is to be gained from this). The fact is the UK film industry simply isn't in a great place at the moment either for various reasons. But we'll see what happens I guess...

    The film industry across the map is in pretty poor shape. As some know here, my little project has been shuffled and moved, and one director fell, a new one was hired, we sold pre-sales to a major studio but at a lower than expected price, so our budget was slashed (!)… we are holding on, but the challenges are coming at us every day!).

    Three years of Covid and two strikes have bunged up the works. Entire projects have been annihilated (of varying budgets), and died before one scene was shot; others have been delayed via re-casting, or re-writes, or re-shoots, and even then, they may still end up in the dumpster (like a Batgirl), or go straight to streaming.

    While three to four long years of no cinemas and/or minimal releases was taking place, the movie going public had round the clock, instant gratification with streaming, and major films being released straight there, and/or a few weeks after theatrical (still to this day we have this happening!).

    But as Bad Boys shows (I’ve not seen one of these flicks): if you don’t over-saturate the market with your IP, and then release characters and stories ppl love, they’ll come back in droves. Now the droves may not have long legs, like they did pre-Covid (especially when films go to streamers quicker than ever), but the cinema experience still has value.

    And Bond is perfectly placed to be one of these event films.
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    mtm wrote: »
    I loved Ghostbusters as a kid, but those recent movies made me feel nothing at all. Just horrible.

    Just think how the Connery Generation felt having to sit through many {not all, but many} of the Moore films.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I loved Ghostbusters as a kid, but those recent movies made me feel nothing at all. Just horrible.

    Just think how the Connery Generation felt having to sit through many {not all, but many} of the Moore films.

    Not as bad, probably! :)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I loved Ghostbusters as a kid, but those recent movies made me feel nothing at all. Just horrible.

    Just think how the Connery Generation felt having to sit through many {not all, but many} of the Moore films.

    I can imagine. The feeling that the series that was once very special is no longer feels that way.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I loved Ghostbusters as a kid, but those recent movies made me feel nothing at all. Just horrible.

    Just think how the Connery Generation felt having to sit through many {not all, but many} of the Moore films.

    I can imagine. The feeling that the series that was once very special is no longer feels that way.

    At least Roger Moore's bond never stayed with the villain as a small boy.

    In my book that's far worse than doing a tarzan yell whilst swinging on a vine for 2 seconds, just saying. :-??
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’ll take SPECTRE over the last three GHOSTBUSTERS any day.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://deadline.com/2024/06/oscars-quincy-jones-juliet-taylor-richard-curtis-barbara-broccoli-amp-michael-wilson-receive-academys-governors-awards-1235971585/

    Proof that they are still active. Congratulations to them!
    I’ll take SPECTRE over the last three GHOSTBUSTERS any day.

    I'd take ANY Bond over the last 3 Ghostbusters any day. And I've generally enjoyed the last two.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    MaxCasino wrote: »

    Oh boy, I can see a select amount of fans get over upset.

    “Award them for what?? Killing my childhood hero?! :((
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Better than female ghostbusters is a very low bar.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Ghostbusters is filled with low bars after the original film, what is your point then?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 12 Posts: 16,382
    Ghostbusters is filled with low bars after the original film, what is your point then?

    Craid bad, Barbara bad... something something... foster brothers.
    I can't wait to read the same thing over and again.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    Ghostbusters is filled with low bars after the original film, what is your point then?

    Craid bad, Barbara bad... something something... foster brothers.
    I can't wait to read the same thing over and again.

    Don't mention release dates or how many films we are entitled to per decade.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited June 12 Posts: 9,509
    Better than female ghostbusters is a very low bar.

    Weren't you the person who brought up Ghostbusters in the first place??

    Give it a rest, Mendes...

    Come up with something new to complain about, please.

    EDIT: I’ll just leave this here for @Mendes4Lyfe and @DEKE_RIVERS … I’ve said time and again that the producers of the Bond films are extremely admired and respected amongst their peers, and I’ve been criticized, especially by Deke, and others, for saying that what they’ve accomplished is quite unheard of, so…., certain awards are the real deal and represents the truly great (perhaps why they’ve moved awards like this off the Oscar telecast- which is a well funded popularity contest):

    “The selection of Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli (for the Thalberg Award), is a testament to their success as producers of the fan-favorite Bond series and their contribution to the industry’s theatrical landscape," the academy said in a statement.
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    @mtm - I can't wait to read the same thing over and again.

    @Peter - I’ve said time and again......



  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Maybe being presented with this honor will light a fire under them and inspire forging ahead with the next incarnation of Bond. 🤞🏻
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited June 13 Posts: 9,509
    CrabKey wrote: »
    @mtm - I can't wait to read the same thing over and again.

    @Peter - I’ve said time and again......



    😂

    But, @CrabKey would you care to elaborate?











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    Nothing personal. Though you are both referencing different things, the comments posted close together amused me.
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    Well this thread has certainly inspired me to avoid the more recent GHOSTBUSTERS movies.
    Congrats to Barbara and Michael. Well deserved award.
    Getting back to B26, I don't think it's too complicated to reboot after Craig. I'm sure Barbara and Michael have examined every angle and possibility in terms of tone, approach, and where to take the character next. The Craig era was a bold and brave risk that paid off.
    IMO, create a great villain, an excellent caper, romance, and several interesting characters for Bond to be entangled with a long the way, and I'm happy. The spectacle, locations and stunts will take care of themselves. I've never been concerned about quality control in the Bond films. I've never been let down in that regard. Bond is always first class.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited June 13 Posts: 8,183
    talos7 wrote: »
    Maybe being presented with this honor will light a fire under them and inspire forging ahead with the next incarnation of Bond. 🤞🏻

    Maybe.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited June 13 Posts: 8,395
    When The Force Awakens released they benefitted from there only being 3 STAR WARS films (4 if you count CLONE WARS) in the past 30 years, and the film was a runaway success. Do you think Bond 26 could benefit and become more successful because there's only been 5 new Bond films since 2003?

    I think in some respects time is relative. We don't see a new Bond film for 4 years, and it feels like something is wrong, but then it's been 4 years since the last Bad Boys movie, and that feels almost like they came out back to back.
  • edited June 13 Posts: 1,340
    When The Force Awakens released they benefitted from there only being 3 STAR WARS films (4 if you count CLONE WARS) in the past 30 years, and the film was a runaway success. Do you think Bond 26 could benefit and become more successful because there's only been 5 new Bond films since 2003?

    I think in some respects time is relative. We don't see a new Bond film for 4 years, and it feels like something is wrong, but then it's been 4 years since the last Bad Boys movie, and that feels almost like they came out back to back.

    I think we have fewer movies because they are more successful.


    I think the gap is a double-edged sword.

    Furiosa flopped. Nobody cared after 9 years.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    When The Force Awakens released they benefitted from there only being 3 STAR WARS films (4 if you count CLONE WARS) in the past 30 years, and the film was a runaway success. Do you think Bond 26 could benefit and become more successful because there's only been 5 new Bond films since 2003?

    I think in some respects time is relative. We don't see a new Bond film for 4 years, and it feels like something is wrong, but then it's been 4 years since the last Bad Boys movie, and that feels almost like they came out back to back.

    I think we have fewer movies because they are more successful.


    I think it's a double-edged sword.

    Furiosa flopped. Nobody cared after 9 years.

    Good point.
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