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My reply was also supposed to be amusing. Guess that landed with a dull thud. Oh well, lol
@Mendes4Lyfe and @DEKE_RIVERS ... I hope you're not comparing Bond to a spin-off Mad Max prequel.
If so, apples and oranges, 😂
Or it might be simply that post-Covid a movie has to be both good AND hit the cultural zeitgeist, which will be a problem for everybody.
Barbie, like Bond, is an old brand with a high level of cultural penetration. Bond might be immune to the problems that films like The Fall Guy are suffering. I'm guessing Barbara Broccoli and Eon are discussing how cutting the budget for a Bond film will look bearing in mind that in the Craig era they have really sold the franchise as a prestige, money-on-the-screen film series. Can the new film turn a profit if they hire top-name people in front of and behind the camera? If they go for a smaller film with less famous names, will it hurt the perception of the brand? For that matter, are the big brands that pay the Bond franchise money for product placement still willing to pay out in this current box-office environment, especially without Daniel Craig as the star?
I'm glad I don't have to make those sort of decisions, I have no idea which way I'd jump. Big, expensive, spectacular or smaller, tighter and less spectacle driven?
The new Bond will be cheaper than Craig too, so It is not impossible to lower the budget.
Bond of course is a different beast, but yes, they’ll have to think about where to go creatively. And like I said there’s really no inherently ‘obvious’ choices this time round (we certainly don’t have something like Bourne/a rival series which is outshining Bond by filling a creative gap).
And then there's Avatar 2. Once again, stop trying to find patterns where there are none. These discussions are becoming sillier by the day.
Filming in Italy is expensive. ;) ;) ;)
And keep in mind that's also with inflated salaries of returning actors and also bringing in major new talent with Donnie Yen. With all that in mind, JW4 does not look cheap at all. Could look way more... bright and show off locations a little better in some scenarios, but that's not what the JW franchise is.
Of all the recent franchise releases, I enjoyed JW4 the most and it’s certainly a great example of how to execute a successful movie of that style on a smaller budget.
It does feel like JW is to Bond what Bourne was 20 years ago, considering that MI almost feels too similar to the Bond formula to be something that could inspire a major change in direction (not assuming that EON will feel the need to respond to competition, in the way they clearly did with CR).
I think I need a rewatch of JW4 - I am genuinely amazed that the budget for that was so low.
MI certainly isn’t an existential threat to Bond either now, agreed. The only thing I can think of that might have an influence over Bond 26 is Reeve’s Batman series (it’s obviously a film which reboots a younger version of an iconic character and his world so it makes sense that they may end up having creative similarities, similar to how CR and Batman Begins shared a reboot concept despite being very different films in many other ways).
Reeve's Batman is boring as hell.
That movie makes NTTD look like Octopussy
As for Bond, I've never had any box office doubt towards 007. It's always an event with 007. There's always frenzy whenever Bond is at the cinemas.
In your opinion. I loved it personally.
And the point still stands 🤷 I can’t think of any other rival franchise film that’s likely to have any sort of creative similarity to the next Bond. We’ll see though.
I’m honestly surprised Furiosa even got made. I know Fury Road had a great word of mouth/audience and critical reception, but even pre Covid I don’t think this would have been a massive success.
I have to say, I totally agree with you on this one: I found almost no enjoyment out of Reeves' Batman.
More importantly though it seemed to have a good reaction amongst Batman fans. For the first instalment of this new series (and considering it’s in the style of a dark neo-noir) it did great financially. And it showed you could do something fresh even with another reboot of the character. Not saying the next Bond will be a dark, part grounded part impressionistic broody neo noir though!
I had assumed that if EON were to be influenced by any contemporary ‘direction’, it would be in that domain (which I would not be opposed to).
I had a good feeling that if Fury Road was a box office disappointment, a prequel to it nine years on wasn't going to perform any better. I'm not sure what they were thinking on that one.
Yeah. Plus, Mad Max isn't exactly a franchise that's universally loved. It showed in Fury Road's box office. Even with huge names like Theron & Hardy, it wasn't a huge hit.
Exactly. Big talent like that attached along with almost near universal glowing praise for it and it still couldn't deliver in a pre-pandemic box office. They should have at least doubled down with a tighter sequel, not taken almost a decade for a prequel that's more CGI heavy and doesn't have any of the same big names returning.
Still though, it doesn’t make any sense considering Mad Max isn’t even in this one… so yeah I agree, I’m really not sure what they were expecting here, especially with its budget.
So when the new Bond does arrive, they’re not gonna gripe about how it’s been too long, because this is a new Bond, not a continuation of the same actor.
His motivations and the attack on the island were a muddled mess of logic at best. What did he want? Why did he take Matilde just let her go a moment later? Couldn't the arriving cargo ships be stopped before or after they reached the island, etc? It was more than a lack of screen time.
I've never really had a problem with that stuff. I know 'he's mad' isn't very satisfying, but he wants people to die because he is very damaged. There's a bit of a hint that he's into eugenics with the 'I want the world to evolve!' stuff, but otherwise we know he just wants to kill people.
He wants Matilde as a sort of trophy but when she turns trouble he just dumps her: he doesn't care about her either way.
As for blowing up the boats, I guess M has enough of a diplomatic situation on his hands already what with firing on a Chinese island; when they don't know whose their boats are, when they might even belong to other foreign powers, then they avoid more possible wars by destroying the island before they get there.