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  • CrabKeyCrabKey
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    Perhaps some people feel well served by modern Bond. I am not one of them. Bond comics, Bond associated novels, and other developments have no appeal to me. I freely admit it's generational.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    I still note after CR the filmmakers planned to release Bond 22 in May 2008, just 18 months later.

    Conditions didn't permit, but it shows the possibilities are there.

    That was over 16 years ago. Attitudes have likely changed. They certainly never tried aiming for something like that ever again after QOS came out. I think they learned a hard lesson trying to push that movie out as fast as they did when it wasn’t ready. Bond 23 was only slated for a 2011 release until MGM’s financial troubles turned up. Bond 24 was only ever slated for 2015. Then there was that two year period where Craig took a break and only announced in 2017 that he signed on for one more, which was eventually announced as a 2019 release. A four year gap, but I liked the idea of Craig ending his run with the end of the 2010s. And then the creative differences and COVID pushed it back by two years which wasn’t ideal.

    I always wonder what Craig’s run would have looked like without any of these unintended delays. Maybe something like…

    CR 2006
    QOS 2008
    SF 2011
    SP 2014
    NTTD 2018

    And then Eon takes a hiatus, and who knows? Maybe then a 2022 release would have hit just on time for the 60th anniversary.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Comics and games aren't actually my thing, I appreciate my experiences in the 70s and after through the years. And no less the recent films and novels.

    Yet to be seen and while anything is possible, as the producers establish their new Bond I don't expect them to set a new standard and take longer than two years to put out the next mission.

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited July 5 Posts: 4,692
    It sounds like IFP might be moving into publishing more books on a regular basis. Based on the survey questions. I’m ok with that. Once the 3rd Double-00 is published, they might be interested in publishing Bond books on a yearly basis. So someone at IFP might be interested in what the fans want on a daily basis. I’m happy with that, I’d rather be in charge of IFP than EON! If you haven’t taken their survey yet, please do!
  • Colonel_VenusColonel_Venus
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    Barbara should try to convince Craig to come back for one final movie by offering him to direct it. Sure, Craig's Bond died in the last one, but this could be a standalone movie not connected to NTTD.
  • ColonelAdamskiColonelAdamski UK
    edited July 6 Posts: 1,085
    Colonel_Venus wrote: »
    Barbara should try to convince Craig to come back for one final movie by offering him to direct it. Sure, Craig's Bond died in the last one, but this could be a standalone movie not connected to NTTD.

    I'm thinking quite the opposite buddy. I'm very much hoping the next series of James Bond films, (if and when they arrive), will have absolutely no input from Daniel craig at all.

  • 007HallY007HallY
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    I don't see why Craig of all people would have anything to do with the next Bond films. From a simple career point of view, he's a famous and acclaimed actor - the most so in post Bond terms since Sean Connery in fact - who can now basically do projects he finds interesting/won't clash with Bond (whether that's a film by a specific director, or maybe theatre or whatever). There's no reason why EON would want to take away any publicity from the new actor by having the old one publicly hang around.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I don't see why Craig of all people would have anything to do with the next Bond films. From a simple career point of view, he's a famous and acclaimed actor - the most so in post Bond terms since Sean Connery in fact - who can now basically do projects he finds interesting/won't clash with Bond (whether that's a film by a specific director, or maybe theatre or whatever). There's no reason why EON would want to take away any publicity from the new actor by having the old one publicly hang around.

    Exactly.

    He’s not James Bond anymore. He’s taken a graceful stage left exit and is busy on:

    Wake Up Dead Man
    The promotion for what’s already receiving awards buzz: Queer.
    He and Barbara Broccoli are seemingly teaming up again, but this time doing the film version of Othello (Broccoli produced his stage version); they’ve already got some financing together.
    And then there’s that heist pic with Charlize Theron he’s attached to.

    Craig has moved on from James Bond the character (but keeps his creative relationships with some of the Bond people, but for different projects).

    Anything is possible, I suppose. But we have more chance of seeing aliens land on the White House’s front lawn, than we do Craig returning to EoN’s James Bond (whether as a producer, a director or as an actor)…
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
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    Hard to imagine much of an audience for a film version of Othello. Sounds like a vanity project. I liked Craig as Bond and feel he's a good actor, but not great.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    Hard to imagine much of an audience for a film version of Othello. Sounds like a vanity project. I liked Craig as Bond and feel he's a good actor, but not great.

    Beg to differ— I was front row for his MacBeth and he and Ruth Negga (as Lady M), are elite actors.

    I went with my wife and two actor friends who didn’t know why I was so “into” Craig. They left the show knowing why.

    Plus their mate was King Duncan and told us the scoop of this man and how far he goes to prep….
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 6 Posts: 16,574
    I love the idea that a Shakespeare production won't have an audience. The guy's work has done reasonably well only for the last 400 years or so. Hilarious :))
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    mtm wrote: »
    I love the idea that a Shakespeare production won't have an audience. The guy's work has done reasonably well only for the last 400 years or so. Hilarious :))

    And the supposed location is to shoot in Iraq, in an American army barrack, so it'll be contained and will be a tight budget. Were not looking at a $200 million tent pole.

    More likely a $25 million to 30 million dollar budget.
  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
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    peter wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Hard to imagine much of an audience for a film version of Othello. Sounds like a vanity project. I liked Craig as Bond and feel he's a good actor, but not great.

    Beg to differ— I was front row for his MacBeth and he and Ruth Negga (as Lady M), are elite actors.

    I went with my wife and two actor friends who didn’t know why I was so “into” Craig. They left the show knowing why.

    Plus their mate was King Duncan and told us the scoop of this man and how far he goes to prep….
    I also caught the MacBeth production on Broadway (though not from the front row) and I certainly could not imagine Moore, Lazenby or Brosnan being able to hold their own on that stage. I understand dislike for Craig’s Bond but I cannot fathom a lack of appreciation for his ability as an actor.
    I don’t think an actor needs to be at his level to play Bond but he demonstrated to me what an actor of his ability can do with the character.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    meshypushy wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Hard to imagine much of an audience for a film version of Othello. Sounds like a vanity project. I liked Craig as Bond and feel he's a good actor, but not great.

    Beg to differ— I was front row for his MacBeth and he and Ruth Negga (as Lady M), are elite actors.

    I went with my wife and two actor friends who didn’t know why I was so “into” Craig. They left the show knowing why.

    Plus their mate was King Duncan and told us the scoop of this man and how far he goes to prep….
    I also caught the MacBeth production on Broadway (though not from the front row) and I certainly could not imagine Moore, Lazenby or Brosnan being able to hold their own on that stage. I understand dislike for Craig’s Bond but I cannot fathom a lack of appreciation for his ability as an actor.
    I don’t think an actor needs to be at his level to play Bond but he demonstrated to me what an actor of his ability can do with the character.

    I agree with you, @meshypushy ... Whether one likes his Bond or not, I think there's no denying, especially after seeing him live, what his pedigree as an actor is.

    He and Ms. Negga were sorely missed at the start of ACT II-- their performances were brilliantly powerful that revealed the shortcomings of the other performers (not that they were bad ( minus Asia Kate Dillon, who was sorely miscast)).
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    With the more famous Shakespeare plays you’ve got strong name-recognition, a good story, and a film that absolutely will find an audience steadily through the years. It’s not going to be a blockbuster, but it will have long legs in terms of viewership for decades. It will probably be shown in schools, too. They keep making versions of Shakespeare’s plays precisely because they always find an audience.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    With the more famous Shakespeare plays you’ve got strong name-recognition, a good story, and a film that absolutely will find an audience steadily through the years. It’s not going to be a blockbuster, but it will have long legs in terms of viewership for decades. It will probably be shown in schools, too. They keep making versions of Shakespeare’s plays precisely because they always find an audience.

    💯 @sandbagger1 ... A few of my go-to Shaspeare films have been the breathtaking Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet, Zeffirelli's Hamlet (Mel Gibson, Helena Bonham Carter, Alan Bates, Ian Holm, Paul Scofield, Pete Postlewaite... What a cast!!!!), Polanski's bloody and terrifying MacBeth, Branagh's Henry V and his Hamlet... Shout outs to Fishburne's Othello with Branaugh and also Titus directed by Taymor starring Hopkins...

    The great Shakespearean adaptations are timeless, with legs that continue on over the decades.
  • BMB007BMB007
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    peter wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I don't see why Craig of all people would have anything to do with the next Bond films. From a simple career point of view, he's a famous and acclaimed actor - the most so in post Bond terms since Sean Connery in fact - who can now basically do projects he finds interesting/won't clash with Bond (whether that's a film by a specific director, or maybe theatre or whatever). There's no reason why EON would want to take away any publicity from the new actor by having the old one publicly hang around.

    Exactly.

    He’s not James Bond anymore. He’s taken a graceful stage left exit and is busy on:

    Wake Up Dead Man
    The promotion for what’s already receiving awards buzz: Queer.
    He and Barbara Broccoli are seemingly teaming up again, but this time doing the film version of Othello (Broccoli produced his stage version); they’ve already got some financing together.
    And then there’s that heist pic with Charlize Theron he’s attached to.

    Craig has moved on from James Bond the character (but keeps his creative relationships with some of the Bond people, but for different projects).

    Anything is possible, I suppose. But we have more chance of seeing aliens land on the White House’s front lawn, than we do Craig returning to EoN’s James Bond (whether as a producer, a director or as an actor)…

    I hope he and Broccoli can get that made. It sounds like such an interesting take on the material, plus the sentimentalist in me would like them making movies together again.
  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
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    peter wrote: »
    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    With the more famous Shakespeare plays you’ve got strong name-recognition, a good story, and a film that absolutely will find an audience steadily through the years. It’s not going to be a blockbuster, but it will have long legs in terms of viewership for decades. It will probably be shown in schools, too. They keep making versions of Shakespeare’s plays precisely because they always find an audience.

    💯 @sandbagger1 ... A few of my go-to Shaspeare films have been the breathtaking Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet, Zeffirelli's Hamlet (Mel Gibson, Helena Bonham Carter, Alan Bates, Ian Holm, Paul Scofield, Pete Postlewaite... What a cast!!!!), Polanski's bloody and terrifying MacBeth, Branagh's Henry V and his Hamlet... Shout outs to Fishburne's Othello with Branaugh and also Titus directed by Taymor starring Hopkins...

    The great Shakespearean adaptations are timeless, with legs that continue on over the decades.
    I also caught Ruth Negga playing the lead in Hamlet onstage (in Ireland) prior to seeing MacBeth and was particularly interested in how she and Craig would compare (I figured she might run rings around Daniel onstage but that certainly proved to not be the case!). She was exceptional as Hamlet and would be an intriguing addition to the cast of a future Bond movie.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    peter wrote: »
    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    With the more famous Shakespeare plays you’ve got strong name-recognition, a good story, and a film that absolutely will find an audience steadily through the years. It’s not going to be a blockbuster, but it will have long legs in terms of viewership for decades. It will probably be shown in schools, too. They keep making versions of Shakespeare’s plays precisely because they always find an audience.

    💯 @sandbagger1 ... A few of my go-to Shaspeare films have been the breathtaking Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet, Zeffirelli's Hamlet (Mel Gibson, Helena Bonham Carter, Alan Bates, Ian Holm, Paul Scofield, Pete Postlewaite... What a cast!!!!), Polanski's bloody and terrifying MacBeth, Branagh's Henry V and his Hamlet... Shout outs to Fishburne's Othello with Branaugh and also Titus directed by Taymor starring Hopkins...

    The great Shakespearean adaptations are timeless, with legs that continue on over the decades.

    Zeffirelli’s Romeo and Juliet is just beautiful, one of my favourites, too. I also love Mankiewicz’s Julius Caesar, it’s not perhaps one of the most staged of the plays, but it keeps me gripped. Coincidentally I was planning a first watch of Polanski’s Macbeth this weekend, so I’ve really got my hopes up now for something special.

    I don’t know if you’ve seen it but I think Ralph Fiennes’ Coriolanus is worth catching. I was not not familiar with the story, and I won’t argue it’s in the same league as some of the versions you’ve mentioned, but it’s Ralph Fiennes, Gerald Butler, and Brian Cox doing Shakespeare on screen in a contemporary setting, it’s worth seeing once.

  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited July 6 Posts: 9,511
    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    With the more famous Shakespeare plays you’ve got strong name-recognition, a good story, and a film that absolutely will find an audience steadily through the years. It’s not going to be a blockbuster, but it will have long legs in terms of viewership for decades. It will probably be shown in schools, too. They keep making versions of Shakespeare’s plays precisely because they always find an audience.

    💯 @sandbagger1 ... A few of my go-to Shaspeare films have been the breathtaking Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet, Zeffirelli's Hamlet (Mel Gibson, Helena Bonham Carter, Alan Bates, Ian Holm, Paul Scofield, Pete Postlewaite... What a cast!!!!), Polanski's bloody and terrifying MacBeth, Branagh's Henry V and his Hamlet... Shout outs to Fishburne's Othello with Branaugh and also Titus directed by Taymor starring Hopkins...

    The great Shakespearean adaptations are timeless, with legs that continue on over the decades.

    Zeffirelli’s Romeo and Juliet is just beautiful, one of my favourites, too. I also love Mankiewicz’s Julius Caesar, it’s not perhaps one of the most staged of the plays, but it keeps me gripped. Coincidentally I was planning a first watch of Polanski’s Macbeth this weekend, so I’ve really got my hopes up now for something special.

    I don’t know if you’ve seen it but I think Ralph Fiennes’ Coriolanus is worth catching. I was not not familiar with the story, and I won’t argue it’s in the same league as some of the versions you’ve mentioned, but it’s Ralph Fiennes, Gerald Butler, and Brian Cox doing Shakespeare on screen in a contemporary setting, it’s worth seeing once.

    Ha! Enjoy MacBeth and I hope you can take a second to give your feedback. I won’t say anymore, and wish you the best viewing experience.

    I actually haven’t seen Fiennes in Coriolanus , but have always wanted to. It’s on the watch list now (intrigued to see how Gerard Butler handles himself(?))!

    EDIT @BMB007 … you and I share the same sentimentality! As far as I’m concerned they made five exceptional Bond films and two (?) successful plays. Let their partnership continue on these projects!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Speaking of Bond alumni doing Shakespeare, if you ever get the chance to see Michael Kitchen’s delicious turn as Edmund I recommend it, he really relishes it!
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @meshypushy , man I'd love to see Ruth Negga as Hamlet!!! She's quite an actor, and she and Craig were just so damn fun together. Genuine laughs-- especially when she, as Lady M was trying to deflect her husband's utter lunacy during the banquet/dinner scene.

    One other thing about the production: incredible effects!!!

    @mtm I'll have to check it out. King Lear has been a play I've struggled with-- and I quite honestly don't know why.

    Maybe now that I'm a little older, it may have more bite for me.

    So, you've now forced me into a reappraisal!!!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah I think it was Michael Hordern as Lear, a BBC version I think.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Colonel_Venus wrote: »
    Barbara should try to convince Craig to come back for one final movie by offering him to direct it. Sure, Craig's Bond died in the last one, but this could be a standalone movie not connected to NTTD.

    The Daniel Craig era is over, mate. No matter how much we liked him, it's over. Craig is now a part of the legacy of Bond, not of its future.
  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
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    peter wrote: »
    @meshypushy , man I'd love to see Ruth Negga as Hamlet!!! She's quite an actor, and she and Craig were just so damn fun together. Genuine laughs-- especially when she, as Lady M was trying to deflect her husband's utter lunacy during the banquet/dinner scene.

    One other thing about the production: incredible effects!!!
    A family member of mine was in Sam Gold’s Lear, so I should have had some idea of what to expect but the production still surprised - a very fresh take on the text. I wish I had the opportunity to have seen it a second time! I travelled over just to see it but it was worth it.
  • Colonel_VenusColonel_Venus
    edited July 6 Posts: 580
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Colonel_Venus wrote: »
    Barbara should try to convince Craig to come back for one final movie by offering him to direct it. Sure, Craig's Bond died in the last one, but this could be a standalone movie not connected to NTTD.

    The Daniel Craig era is over, mate. No matter how much we liked him, it's over. Craig is now a part of the legacy of Bond, not of its future.
    I know. 😔 I am just thinking that if BB is considering directors such as Michod, Berger and Marcel, I would prefer if they just went back to Craig for one more movie.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    meshypushy wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    @meshypushy , man I'd love to see Ruth Negga as Hamlet!!! She's quite an actor, and she and Craig were just so damn fun together. Genuine laughs-- especially when she, as Lady M was trying to deflect her husband's utter lunacy during the banquet/dinner scene.

    One other thing about the production: incredible effects!!!
    A family member of mine was in Sam Gold’s Lear, so I should have had some idea of what to expect but the production still surprised - a very fresh take on the text. I wish I had the opportunity to have seen it a second time! I travelled over just to see it but it was worth it.

    I think Sam Gold was also the director of Othello.

    I wonder if this gets off the ground that we might see a return of both the director and David Oyelowo?

    I only flew in from Toronto to see MacBeth (just over an hour), so you’re a real champ, @meshypushy .

    We caught the show on its final Friday performance. Were you there closer to the start of the run (it was quite dodgy with COVID, and Craig cancelled a couple of performances when he got hit with it— thankfully you and I dodged that bullet. I would have bawled, 😂)
  • delfloriadelfloria
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    For those of you who grew up with social media, imagine it did not exist and that all you had regarding Bond was a Bond film every two years and perhaps a new Fleming novel and then later continuation novels like Colonel Sun. Also, no video tapes or DVDs. The early Bond fans had a very high degree of commitment. The same goes for them having to schedule their TV watching around very specific network scheduling and.........................no reruns.
  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
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    peter wrote: »
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    I think Sam Gold was also the director of Othello.

    I wonder if this gets off the ground that we might see a return of both the director and David Oyelowo?

    I only flew in from Toronto to see MacBeth (just over an hour), so you’re a real champ, @meshypushy .

    We caught the show on its final Friday performance. Were you there closer to the start of the run (it was quite dodgy with COVID, and Craig cancelled a couple of performances when he got hit with it— thankfully you and I dodged that bullet. I would have bawled, 😂)
    We attended the performance on 5th May. I had actually forgotten about the COVID thing - we came over not knowing if it was going to go ahead or whether we would be allowed enter the theatre. I think a few of the cast dropped out and others had to fill in.
    It was a similar situation with the NTTD premiere in London - we got tickets but literally flew over not knowing whether we’d actually get into the Royal Albert Hall.
    Apologies for boring the arse off everyone else here but other than myself and my wife, I don’t know anyone else who attended MacBeth on Broadway!
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
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    mtm wrote: »
    I love the idea that a Shakespeare production won't have an audience. The guy's work has done reasonably well only for the last 400 years or so. Hilarious :))

    That over 400 years later Shakespeare's works continue to be produced has nothing to do with my comment in which I did not say the proposed Craig won't have an audience, but not much of an audience.

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