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Counterpoints to example 1: (a) TMWTGG, LTK; (b) TSWLM, OP, GE. Also: Covid.
Counterpoints to example 2: "Brofeld" was Michael G. Wilson's idea. Other directors given a lot of control include Young and Hunt.
It's funny to say this a couple of months after it was announced she's getting the greatest award a Hollywood film producer can receive.
Look, I LOVE NSNA. What I'm saying is that there are no rules anymore. There may never have been any. You are worshiping capricious gods. If Bond is bigger than an actor, he is also bigger than any producer.
I think I can understand his reasoning. Up till DAD, the Bond films followed certain constants, (the same actor portraying the same character, Bond always escaping and being mostly triumphant). Now they've re-booted Bond in a new 'timeline' and killed him off, anything is possible going forward. And as the saying goes, "when anything is possible, nothing matters". I have the feeling of 'now they've done that, they can do anything!'.
I've never felt so none-plussed over forthcoming Bond films. It's changed from what I grew up with, and probably had to, to stay relevant, to be fair. Cinema has changed, and people are used to different 'timelines' within movie series and stuff like that. I struggle with the idea that the new approach is "the next actor to play the next James Bond character". rather than the "next actor to play James Bond".
I probably lack imagination in that respect.
Yes. I was trying to say this earlier. It's the new approach we should be gearing up for, not necessarily the next Bond actor. We're going to see lots of new things in Bond in the next era. Some would resonate with fans, some wouldn't. The hope is, it should be more of the former. I don't envy EON at all. I think the delay might also be them looking for ways to get Gen Z interested in James Bond, without offending Gen X. Such a tough job!
Enjoy them while you can. No one knows what the future holds.
True, and we’ll see.
But for better or for worse they helm this franchise at the moment, and Bond films are EON films. It seems it’s even being passed on to a third generation. It’s their work that created the cinematic character (it certainly wasn’t, was never, and arguably could never have been a straightforward adaptation of Fleming, even though that DNA is very much alive in there even today, which is something I’m grateful for). Take them completely out of the equation with all that they’ve added to this character (even if it’s just the Bond theme) and it’s not the same. And yes, you can apply that to the recent films as well as the classic ones. I’m not sure if some fans realise this. They are a film company at the end of the day, prone to mistakes, some weird creative decisions, having to deal with behind the scenes issues, not putting stuff out quick enough for fans, or indeed in another time putting stuff out too quickly and of variable quality. But I just don’t see any alternative to them that would give us better (in fact in the current climate I can imagine other owners tanking the series, even if just in the short term). We all want to wave a magic wand and have Bond films we like (not necessarily that others would like, which is another thing I don’t think all fans understand) under ‘perfect’ owners, but it’ll never happen like that.
But anyway, I feel we’ve all been talking a bit too seriously about all this 😉
Bond will have been away so long it'll be tough to match or succeed unrealistic expectations.
A lot of those are Cubby's films.
I don’t think many people think about Bond as much as we do. If a new film is announced and from there comes along in good time people will respond to it. Short of a Covid type delay I don’t think that’ll be an issue.
It won’t matter too much with us fans either. The brutal truth is they’ll never satisfy all of us, and this has always been the case I suspect.
For most people it is James Bond…. So yes.
I mean, anything different than a catch 22.
With the might of Amazon behind them EON can afford to sit on their hands for as long as they wish, if Denis is the man they want.
But I don't.
He's likable and can at least act, but he lacks a certain something that you need to be Bond. I don't believe in him. He doesn't look like he could handle himself in a fight, I don't buy that ladies would give him a second look (and I know who he's dating)
He seems like he's really good at the co-star part, but to take the lead and take the full spotlight. I just don't see that with Turner.
Depends on the director.
I think the problem with all those things is that they're impossible to convey, and anything approaching those criteria won't be known until a screen-test (if then). It's a bit of an arbitrary criteria in that sense.
But I kinda get what you're saying. I like Callum Turner a lot, but at the same time I do think to myself (for Bond anyway) is he better than, say, Harris Dickinson, or Jack Bannon, or Some Dirisu? He could be incidentally. But I don't know.
Indeed. Brosnan looked pretty unBondian at his during the Goldeneye conference too.
I do legit remember my feelings about Craig when he was first announced though. I remember seeing some awful hard lit headshot of him, which wasn't the best introduction. The photos from the press conference wasn't much help (not that I watched it). I saw another colour photo where his eyes stood out though (they genuinely reminded me of how Fleming described Bond's which interested me). By the time I'd seen his other stuff and heard his voice in the trailer for CR I was settled. I even remember going to see the film for the first time ages back and by the PTS completely forgetting Brosnan as I thought he was that impressive. As it should be with every Bond I guess.
No problem at all. I've worked with several women directors and they treat story, casting and action the same way their male counter parts do.
Same here. Plus, doesn’t Barbara Broccoli technically co-direct these movies, anyway? Just a joke, everyone. I’d like to see a female director for Bond, the same way I want a female writer to write an ACTUAL adult Bond book. There are a few names I have in mind for both jobs.
Final wrap was five years ago. I envy the patience from other members. Other brands and franchises, Star Wars, Marvel etc, try to keep the fire burning between huge productions. Games, spin-offs, toys, anything to wet the appetite. EON has given us nothing and there's not a single piece of news that promises anything in the future. This is the first time in Bond history I have seen this. Even after LTK they were eager to go.