Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • CrabKey wrote: »
    Could it be there is nowhere to go after Craig? Been there, done that, seen it all. Anything new will be old the second time it's used. Maybe all the juice has been sucked out of this series.

    On the contrary. The Craig era has allowed a whole new plethora of creative ideas to flood the gate now for better or worse.

    Sure, that's why we are waiting for the next movie. ;)

    You would’ve had to wait either way for the next film Deke. That point bears nothing on what I’ve said.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    Could it be there is nowhere to go after Craig? Been there, done that, seen it all. Anything new will be old the second time it's used. Maybe all the juice has been sucked out of this series.

    Nope.

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    CrabKey wrote: »
    Could it be there is nowhere to go after Craig? Been there, done that, seen it all. Anything new will be old the second time it's used. Maybe all the juice has been sucked out of this series.

    On the contrary. The Craig era has allowed a whole new plethora of creative ideas to flood the gate now for better or worse.

    Overall worse in my opinion. I liked Craig as Bond but the universe they created around him fell apart way too quickly. Scooby gang, retro fitted story arch, and BroFeld to name just a few.

    Not so. I am actually waiting for the next series of films to wash away the unevenness of the Craig era.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    delfloria wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Could it be there is nowhere to go after Craig? Been there, done that, seen it all. Anything new will be old the second time it's used. Maybe all the juice has been sucked out of this series.

    On the contrary. The Craig era has allowed a whole new plethora of creative ideas to flood the gate now for better or worse.

    Overall worse in my opinion. I liked Craig as Bond but the universe they created around him fell apart way too quickly. Scooby gang, retro fitted story arch, and BroFeld to name just a few.

    Not so. I am actually waiting for the next series of films to wash away the unevenness of the Craig era.

    I agree, I think they really went into the wrong direction with Spectre, Bond 24 should've been more of a Casino Royale, stand-alone type mission. Maybe save some of the Spectre storyline for a two-film arc later.
  • edited August 15 Posts: 3,255
    Venutius wrote: »
    After Craig's success, I suspect they're going to want to keep Bond as a badass
    Bond stopped being a badass after QoS (or actually the SF PTS), but a return to formula would be great.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    QOS was certainly the last time we saw that iteration of CraigBond, no doubt.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    After Craig's success, I suspect they're going to want to keep Bond as a badass
    Bond stopped being a badass after QoS (or actually the SF PTS), but a return to formula would be great.

    QoS for me, though he has some signs of his old self in NTTD. He really doesn't do anything to impress me in the SF PTS. The Bond of QoS would've absolutely destroyed Patrice (I know, I know, it's not real, it's what the script calls for, etc., but they're two different Bonds almost in my eyes).
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    The staircase fight near the climax of NTTD is pretty badass in my opinion, gents. Bond takes a few grenades, does the gun barrel pose, kills several thugs, and just keeps going like it's nobody's business. I've rarely seen any Bond with that much stamina.
  • edited August 15 Posts: 3,255
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    After Craig's success, I suspect they're going to want to keep Bond as a badass
    Bond stopped being a badass after QoS (or actually the SF PTS), but a return to formula would be great.

    QoS for me, though he has some signs of his old self in NTTD. He really doesn't do anything to impress me in the SF PTS. The Bond of QoS would've absolutely destroyed Patrice (I know, I know, it's not real, it's what the script calls for, etc., but they're two different Bonds almost in my eyes).

    Adjusting his cufflinks after having torn the back of a moving train apart, is pretty darn close to the QoS badass vibes. :-)
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    The staircase fight near the climax of NTTD is pretty badass in my opinion, gents. I've rarely seen any Bond with that much stamina.

    In contrast to that sequence there's the scene in the Norway cabin where he's a soft and needy. Not my taste.
  • edited August 15 Posts: 3,826
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    After Craig's success, I suspect they're going to want to keep Bond as a badass
    Bond stopped being a badass after QoS (or actually the SF PTS), but a return to formula would be great.

    QoS for me, though he has some signs of his old self in NTTD. He really doesn't do anything to impress me in the SF PTS. The Bond of QoS would've absolutely destroyed Patrice (I know, I know, it's not real, it's what the script calls for, etc., but they're two different Bonds almost in my eyes).

    I feel people who say this about SF's PTS always forget that Bond has a bullet in his shoulder by the time he actually gets round to fighting Patrice. Bond even punches him flat onto the ground at one point using his wounded arm/shoulder.

    If that's not the Bond of QOS I really don't know what is! The only difference is throughout the SF PTS he's effectively worn down until he ends up 'dying'.

    That or it might just be the choreography/pace of the train fight being a bit slower to build up tension... but even then I can believe it's the same Bond who takes on the henchmen in the CR staircase fight (which is another gripping sequence).
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    The staircase fight near the climax of NTTD is pretty badass in my opinion, gents. Bond takes a few grenades, does the gun barrel pose, kills several thugs, and just keeps going like it's nobody's business. I've rarely seen any Bond with that much stamina.

    My favorite action sequence of the film right there. Damn impressive stuff.

    And yeah, the cufflink-adjustment is really great, but I don't know that it's "badass." It certainly looks cool.

    @007HallY, you are right, he was injured by that point, so I guess that adds to it. I've personally never cared for the fight choreography in SF though. QoS spoiled me on the action front for the rest of the Craig era.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    The staircase fight near the climax of NTTD is pretty badass in my opinion, gents. Bond takes a few grenades, does the gun barrel pose, kills several thugs, and just keeps going like it's nobody's business. I've rarely seen any Bond with that much stamina.

    My favorite action sequence of the film right there. Damn impressive stuff.

    And yeah, the cufflink-adjustment is really great, but I don't know that it's "badass." It certainly looks cool.

    @007HallY, you are right, he was injured by that point, so I guess that adds to it. I've personally never cared for the fight choreography in SF though. QoS spoiled me on the action front for the rest of the Craig era.

    Fair enough, to each their own. I personally like Bond fights to feel a bit gritty/even a bit realistic while having something uniquely Bondian about them (ie. they take place in an unusual location or involve weapons you wouldn't ordinarily see used. The SF fight atop the train is very much that for me).

    For me, sometimes the fights in QOS feel gritty, but not necessarily realistic. The Slate fight has really good sound effects (you can hear the crack as Bond butts him in the head or breaks Slate's fingers, which is cool and evocative) but the choreography itself is just a wee bit too fast to feel natural. It doesn't feel like a genuine scuffle like the staircase fight in CR or the train one in SF, but something rehearsed. Almost like they're doing some sort of dance.

    I much prefer it to the fights in NTTD though.
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    Could it be there is nowhere to go after Craig? Been there, done that, seen it all. Anything new will be old the second time it's used. Maybe all the juice has been sucked out of this series.

    On the contrary. The Craig era has allowed a whole new plethora of creative ideas to flood the gate now for better or worse.

    Maybe that's why it's taking so long to get the next film going. So many choices, where does one start? Actually, I don't believe there are many options.
  • CrabKey wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Could it be there is nowhere to go after Craig? Been there, done that, seen it all. Anything new will be old the second time it's used. Maybe all the juice has been sucked out of this series.

    On the contrary. The Craig era has allowed a whole new plethora of creative ideas to flood the gate now for better or worse.

    Maybe that's why it's taking so long to get the next film going. So many choices, where does one start? Actually, I don't believe there are many options.

    Just because we don’t like the rate of progress on Bond 26 does not mean EON has officially ran out of steam. Considering they’ve been making these movies for over 60 years, I think it’s fair to say thinking otherwise comes across as a bit naive. Unless I hear it straight from the horses mouth, there are still new creative avenues.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @007ClassicBondFan , bang-on!

    It's storytelling. There are an infinite number of avenues they can take for the next era (that will be making moves in 2026, for a 2027 release).
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    James Bond will return. That has never been a lie, in film, novel and videogame Bond media. Let's keep patience, we are lucky to have so much Bond media readily available to us. As I said before, we are one of the luckiest fandoms in the world.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    B26 opening: "that last mission.... nearly killed me"

    Ok maybe that's a bad idea.
  • Posts: 1,842
    CrabKey wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Could it be there is nowhere to go after Craig? Been there, done that, seen it all. Anything new will be old the second time it's used. Maybe all the juice has been sucked out of this series.

    On the contrary. The Craig era has allowed a whole new plethora of creative ideas to flood the gate now for better or worse.

    Maybe that's why it's taking so long to get the next film going. So many choices, where does one start? Actually, I don't believe there are many options.

    Just because we don’t like the rate of progress on Bond 26 does not mean EON has officially ran out of steam. Considering they’ve been making these movies for over 60 years, I think it’s fair to say thinking otherwise comes across as a bit naive. Unless I hear it straight from the horses mouth, there are still new creative avenues.

    THEY have not been making these films for the last 60 years. From Cubby/Harry to Barbara/Michael, there have been different regimes at the helm.
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    I've been thinking about a new approach. I'd like to introduce a more philosophical edge to compliment his charm, wit and action. It would make for some wise musings during his missions and would add an extra layer of mystery and depth.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited August 16 Posts: 3,112
    007HallY wrote: »
    the fight in QOS...doesn't feel like a genuine scuffle like the staircase fight in CR or the train one in SF, but something rehearsed.
    According to the bloke who played Slate in QOS, the script for the fight with Bond said 'A fight ensues' - that was it! They worked it all out themselves with Gary Powell.
    One thing I struggled with re. the NTTD fights was the idea that Ash could fight Craig's Bond to a standstill. I know he was older and he'd been out of the game for five years, but...nah. Stairwell sequences is great, though - 'I've just shown someone your watch'. Classic.
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    Venutius wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    the fight in QOS...doesn't feel like a genuine scuffle like the staircase fight in CR or the train one in SF, but something rehearsed.
    According to the bloke who played Slate in QOS, the script for the fight with Bond said 'A fight ensues' - that was it! They worked it all out themselves with Gary Powell.
    One thing I struggled with re. the NTTD fights was the idea that Ash could fight Craig's Bond to a standstill. I know he was older and he'd been out of the game for five years, but...nah. Stairwell sequences is great, though - 'I've just shown someone your watch'. Classic.

    Makes sense. It’s good choreography, but it’s like the fights from Bourne for me. It looks as if both men know where exactly each other’s arms/fists are going to go to the point they’re blocking each other very quickly, so we get this smoothness to it which doesn’t quite look like a real scuffle. Again, almost dance-like. The other thing that annoys me about it is the camera keeps getting placed in unnecessary wider positions (it literally cuts to a high angle shot behind the fan. That’s not an easy shot to set up, and yet it adds nothing and makes us feel detached from the fight. I think the camera should have stayed close to the fight, much more claustrophobic).

    That said, I think it’s better than most of the fights from Bourne. The sound effects are very evocative which helps.

    I do agree about the Ash fight in NTTD. That film also has this rehearsed quality to the fights which doesn’t always feel real to me either (why both Ash and Bond stop in the middle of the scuffle is a bit random).
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    a more philosophical edge to compliment his charm, wit and action.
    After CR: "fair enough, this was a reboot, now give us a proper Bond film."
    How I long for those days were Bond movies were just a huge fun spectacle with setpieces, glamour, and a Bond who kicked a... and where he didn't have to deal with inner demons and family issues.
    If I want philosophy, character development and a script that would make the likes of Aaron Sorkin go "wow", I'll visit the other part of the library.
    I know it's probably just me, but to each his own.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I've been thinking about a new approach. I'd like to introduce a more philosophical edge to compliment his charm, wit and action. It would make for some wise musings during his missions and would add an extra layer of mystery and depth.

    Oh, you want Christopher Nolan?
  • edited August 16 Posts: 3,826
    Depends on what you mean by philosophical. I like moments when Bond has to talk about his job, albeit in his own distant way. It can be a great moment in even an otherwise more lighthearted Bond adventure.

    I'm thinking of something along the lines of GE when Bond is on the beach and he states to Natalya that his attitude to his job is 'what keeps him alive'. Or in TSWLM when Bond has to admit to Anya that he killed her boyfriend by saying 'it was either him or me'. Or in CR when he's talking to Vesper over dinner and he says he wouldn't be good at his job if killing bothered him on a deep level. It's there as well in SF when he's looking out at the Scottish landscape and M is trying to press him about his past (Bond never openly talks about it either). For me, all that sort of stuff is very much James Bond. He's a man who understands the realities of his job, and even puts up a front about it (even if it's something as simple as giving a humorous quip after killing someone).

    As long as the script, director, and actor handle it in that Bondian, minimal way as they've done throughout the series, it'll work. Those sorts of things humanise Bond. I like how in CR, for example, Bond is a bit of an arrogant b*stard to Vesper up until the shower scene (again, very simple scene and quite minimally done, nothing overdramatic about it). A little moment like that could do the same thing for a younger, more reckless/brash version of Bond.
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    A sort of zenlike persona. His lines would be philosophical making him otherworldly as well as calm and collected.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    A sort of zenlike persona. His lines would be philosophical making him otherworldly as well as calm and collected.

    @SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ sure why not
    @007HallY exactly. Very nice

    Oh, I want Nolan too @DewiWynBond but it's looking like it's not going to happen. We don't really know that, though. But I think once Nolan announce his next film, we would know better.
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    Oh, I want Nolan too @DewiWynBond but it's looking like it's not going to happen. We don't really know that, though. But I think once Nolan announce his next film, we would know better.

    Yeah just see this https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/8/14/rumor-christopher-nolans-next-film-set-for-july-17-2026-release
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    The rumor I read was Nolan announcing his next film on or around September 14th, so we should (hopefully) definitively know about his involvement, or lack thereof, in less than a month's time.
  • edited August 16 Posts: 3,826
    I'd be very surprised if we got some sort of Bond announcement, at least without rumblings of it from EON directly. Nolan's next project is likely The Prisoner or something.

    And to be honest, I think he's better off doing that than Bond. I think it may even actually be quite good. Never been keen on a Nolan directed Bond.

    Would love if Daniel Craig starred in the lead role though! Don't know how suited he'd be to it (the extent of my knowledge about the The Prisoner is that episode of The Simpsons that parodied it).
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Yeah, my money's on The Prisoner. He's been working on that script for so long, even reportedly having issues cracking it still late last year, so maybe he finally got through it and is immediately ready to make it his next project.

    He also seems to jump back and forth between sci-fi/action and historical projects, and with Oppenheimer being his last release, it makes sense he'd go with something like that for his next film.
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