Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I'm thinking...maybe the next Bond villain should have or illegally seize something the world can't do without and put a huge price on it. Then Bond has to stop him.
    A bit like how Hugo Drax had exclusive access to columbite in the book. I don't know. Maybe the Moonraker novel has already made its way into Greene's plan in QoS. But I guess a new vision can be added to it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited September 17 Posts: 8,392
    The same people who say Bond is timeless are should never cater to specific cultural trends are the same ones who say a comedic bond film wouldn't work in this day and age because "audiences have moved on", so which is it?
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    The same people who say Bond is timeless are should never cater to specific cultural trends are the same ones who say a comedic bond film wouldn't work in this day and age because "audiences have moved on", so which is it?

    It really depends on what you mean by a comedic Bond film I suppose. I’d say Bond movies all have a mixture of the dark and the light, and Bond is essentially escapism at the end of the day.

    It’s also worth saying that jumping on a trend isn’t always the same as trying to create the best film possible for new audiences.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited September 17 Posts: 8,392
    007HallY wrote: »
    The same people who say Bond is timeless are should never cater to specific cultural trends are the same ones who say a comedic bond film wouldn't work in this day and age because "audiences have moved on", so which is it?

    It really depends on what you mean by a comedic Bond film I suppose. I’d say Bond movies all have a mixture of the dark and the light, and Bond is essentially escapism at the end of the day.

    It’s also worth saying that jumping on a trend isn’t always the same as trying to create the best film possible for new audiences.

    But "create the best film for new audiences" and appealing to Gen Z are just two different formulations with the same underlying meaning.
  • edited September 17 Posts: 1,324
    Self-parody is an option. I don't think it will happen now but it is not something that can be ruled out.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Self-parody is an option. I don't think it will happen now but it is not something that can be ruled out.

    I don't think comedic bond has to mean self-parody though. Is the underwater car emerging from the water self-parody?
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    Self-parody is an option. I don't think it will happen now but it is not something that can be ruled out.

    I don't think comedic bond has to mean self-parody though. Is the underwater car emerging from the water self-parody?

    In any case, it is still an option.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Honeychile's a polydactyl!

    I love that she's been diving for sandwiches.

    echo wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Yes, that's nice thinking. I've always disliked the TMWTGG brainwashing plot as it's a bit too silly and 60s for me, but I guess it did work for Jason Bourne to be introduced like that, and you perhaps wouldn't have to go the whole brainwashing hog but perhaps have him return in a very damaged state from a mission we don't see and has to rediscover himself in a make-or-break way.
    Hmm, but then that's Skyfall I guess, isn't it! :D
    It's tricky.

    Yes, the brainwashing is a hoary '50s-'60s trope at this point. I suppose it could appear that Bond has turned but Bond is actually a triple-agent against the Russians or whoever and he didn't even tell M for his safety (?).

    I feel like this is already turning into a Gardner plot. :-O

    Hehe! Yeah somehow it does feel wrong for Bond movies to go too 'spy', doesn't it. What I do like is that after the Craig movies it feels like they can now address him as a somewhat more realistic character and go to different places with him: he doesn't have to be the untouchable be-suited quip machine at all times. If they did do a triple agent storyline with him, or showed him joining SIS or the like, it wouldn't feel beyond the pale anymore.
    He should still exist in a world of millionaires, where you get a balcony suite overlooking the most beautiful towns in Italy, and everyone has a house on a lake in Norway or a incredible beachfront house in Jamaica: I think that's a key part of how you stay Bond. But the character himself can be put through the wringer a bit more.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    The same people who say Bond is timeless are should never cater to specific cultural trends are the same ones who say a comedic bond film wouldn't work in this day and age because "audiences have moved on", so which is it?

    It really depends on what you mean by a comedic Bond film I suppose. I’d say Bond movies all have a mixture of the dark and the light, and Bond is essentially escapism at the end of the day.

    It’s also worth saying that jumping on a trend isn’t always the same as trying to create the best film possible for new audiences.

    But "create the best film for new audiences" and appealing to Gen Z are just two different formulations with the same underlying meaning.

    Again, it depends on what you mean.

    I don’t think younger audiences would respond very well to something they see as insincerely trying to appeal to them. It would generally have to stick out and be a bit egregious in a Bond film to the point it’d be a bit weird (I dunno, could be a bit of modern slang a character like Bond wouldn’t use or something along those lines). What we call pandering I guess.

    If you mean a ‘comedic’ Bond film in the sense it’s more along the lines of something like MR (ie. Bit of an illogical plot, self referential humour, but big on spectacle) it depends as well. I don’t think a subsequent Bond film will ever be exactly like any of the others that came before it. Every Bond is unique in its own way. Roger Moore era esque humour was there in both SP and NTTD but those are quite dark films in their own way. I think for a new actor’s first outing they’ll want to play it a bit more straight with a slightly more hardboiled story, albeit with a good bit of Bondian humour (witty lines, a few visual gags etc. I can’t see the next film going into ‘Bond riding in a gondola to classical music’ levels of outrageousness or Tarzan yells or whatever).

    It just comes down to what story they want to tell and how best to tell it.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited September 17 Posts: 6,279
    mtm wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Honeychile's a polydactyl!

    I love that she's been diving for sandwiches.

    echo wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Yes, that's nice thinking. I've always disliked the TMWTGG brainwashing plot as it's a bit too silly and 60s for me, but I guess it did work for Jason Bourne to be introduced like that, and you perhaps wouldn't have to go the whole brainwashing hog but perhaps have him return in a very damaged state from a mission we don't see and has to rediscover himself in a make-or-break way.
    Hmm, but then that's Skyfall I guess, isn't it! :D
    It's tricky.

    Yes, the brainwashing is a hoary '50s-'60s trope at this point. I suppose it could appear that Bond has turned but Bond is actually a triple-agent against the Russians or whoever and he didn't even tell M for his safety (?).

    I feel like this is already turning into a Gardner plot. :-O

    Hehe! Yeah somehow it does feel wrong for Bond movies to go too 'spy', doesn't it. What I do like is that after the Craig movies it feels like they can now address him as a somewhat more realistic character and go to different places with him: he doesn't have to be the untouchable be-suited quip machine at all times. If they did do a triple agent storyline with him, or showed him joining SIS or the like, it wouldn't feel beyond the pale anymore.
    He should still exist in a world of millionaires, where you get a balcony suite overlooking the most beautiful towns in Italy, and everyone has a house on a lake in Norway or a incredible beachfront house in Jamaica: I think that's a key part of how you stay Bond. But the character himself can be put through the wringer a bit more.

    I quite like the different setup of Icebreaker, with the four countries' spies in an uneasy and shifting alliance. But it might be a little too real-world, not to mention if they draw in the neo-Nazis. And I also think Finland is an underused location.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 17 Posts: 16,344
    Agree on Finland; politically and geographically it's in a very interesting spot. Billion Dollar Brain makes good use of it.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I’ll third the Finland location. Sounds good to me.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Today's rumor of the day: Damien Chazelle supposedly having met with Broccoli to direct the next installment.

    https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/9/17/rumor-damien-chazelle-met-with-james-bond-producers
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,344
    I think World of Reel aren't supposed to be very reliable, but that does sound left field enough to be believable. Even if it weren't to be him, if they were meeting with directors that would be positive.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    He would be welcome to bring along Justin Hurwitz

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I wouldn't be opposed to a Damien Chazzelle directed Bond film. I think he's a very good director, who has what it takes to deliver some great films.
    He also seems to work with actors very well, so could be good at initiating the next actors era.
  • edited September 17 Posts: 4,109
    I'm sceptical about it being wholly true (or at the very least who we'll end up with), but I must admit it's difficult to say what kind of Bond film Chazzelle would hypothetically make. I really like Whiplash though.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Eventually a rumor will turn out to be true.
  • If EON are still chasing prestige then they should just give the obvious choice a call.
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    If EON are still chasing prestige then they should just give the obvious choice a call.

    I enjoy how everyone knows you mean Nolan, Christopher Nolan.
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    Even if one of his films were NOT entitled "The Prestige"
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Mmm. I was thinking Tarantino.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited September 18 Posts: 3,787
    If EON are still chasing prestige then they should just give the obvious choice a call.

    Give me Denis Villeneuve, if he could turn a very difficult book (Dune) into a great film, and sure he knows how to understand a book/literary character like Paul Atreides, then sure it would work for Bond, balancing the literary world that Fleming created and the bombastic (opposite) world that EON created, he knows how to bring out the complexities in a character.

    I could see him being a Martin Campbell type of Bond director.
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    I would much rather wonder about the complexities of the Bond character than see them explored. I feel like this is what we got with Craig. I don't want to know what moral dilemmas Bond struggles with. I want a Bond who can coolly and dispassionately take out a Professor Dent and then shag his accomplice. If that offends, then maybe Johnny English is a better fit.
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    Damien, of all people. He lives three doors down from me. We cross paths while walking dogs on regular basis. Don't think I can pry anything out of him but I'll let you know if I turn anything up. This same thing happen with Denis several years ago when he was approached on Bond. We run into each other occasionally at one of the local restaurants. I will say that both directors are very kind gentleman and would be great for Bond.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Damien, of all people. He lives three doors down from me. We cross paths while walking dogs on regular basis. Don't think I can pry anything out of him but I'll let you know if I turn anything up. This same thing happen with Denis several years ago when he was approached on Bond. We run into each other occasionally at one of the local restaurants. I will say that both directors are very kind gentleman and would be great for Bond.

    You really did? Then how lucky are you to mee those people! :)
  • edited September 18 Posts: 559
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Today's rumor of the day: Damien Chazelle supposedly having met with Broccoli to direct the next installment.

    https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/9/17/rumor-damien-chazelle-met-with-james-bond-producers

    I don't think Chazelle does it, but of the "prestige" names (Nolan, Villeneuve, etc) his always seemed the most realistic to me for a couple reasons:
    • He could use a commercial hit after "Babylon" (and to a lesser extent "First Man") to bolster his image to finance other projects
    • Tom Cross (his editor) and Linus Sandgren's (his cinematographer) involvement in "No Time to Die"
    • He's done gun-for-hire work before as a director ("First Man") in addition to multiple projects as a writer and doesn't have the necessary clout to only do his own work yet


    Though, I could be biased as he is probably my favorite "young" American director working today so the prospects of him doing Bond make my ears perk up even if Ruimy is (as always) making things up.
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    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    Damien, of all people. He lives three doors down from me. We cross paths while walking dogs on regular basis. Don't think I can pry anything out of him but I'll let you know if I turn anything up. This same thing happen with Denis several years ago when he was approached on Bond. We run into each other occasionally at one of the local restaurants. I will say that both directors are very kind gentleman and would be great for Bond.

    You really did? Then how lucky are you to mee those people! :)

    Thanks. I know it sounds far fetched but sometime life is strange.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I just don't understand why every Bond film now needs a prestige filmmaker at the helm nowadays. Sam Mendes, then Danny Boyle was intended for B25, now Chazelle? It just seems strange for a series about a spy in a tuxedo saving the world from a superweapon.
  • edited September 18 Posts: 1,324
    I just don't understand why every Bond film now needs a prestige filmmaker at the helm nowadays. Sam Mendes, then Danny Boyle was intended for B25, now Chazelle? It just seems strange for a series about a spy in a tuxedo saving the world from a superweapon.

    Because it is the second unit that does the action. And these directors are better than Michael Apted.
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