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You're not understanding. I have said Brosnan isn't my favourite Bond, but he was the right man at the right time, Deke.
You really look at things as black or white, eh?
You do realize that two things can be true at the same time, yes?
And, just FYI, there are a few more Bonds than Craig and Brosnan. I think I've expressed my enjoyment for ALL of the Bonds. But ,someone has to come last, and, yes, that's Brosnan, for me. I'm not asking for you to agree or disagree. But, I can still enjoy some of Brosnan's performances, most notably in TND, Goldeneye, and parts throughout DAD and TWINE.
It's nuance Deke. As I posted before: do I love everything about the series and think it's perfect. No. But I do believe it is the best and highest quality series ever to hit the screens, especially after 62 years. No one can boast this kind of longevity, period. And to think it's not just quantity in output, it IS quality (whether I respond to a particular actor/film or not (that's on me and my tastes, but I can still see the elevated experience the series has given worldwide audiences).
As you say, it is not black and white.
Did you read the posts @DEKE_RIVERS ? Did you read them? I was having discussions with a few members about people (not unlike you), that mostly complain about the series; who write articles and do podcasts, hating on the series and the producers, and; who don’t speak too highly about EoN or where Bond is moving (as if they know. Like you, they presume the worst— as you continually do (you’re not hoping for the best, Deke; according to your own posts, there are no signs of hope or optimism (you don’t expect another good film from EoN?!! Okay….)).
These aren’t constructive conversations.
They’re angry and miserable. And it lacks in any positivity or expressing love for the series they (you) are supposedly fans of.
But don’t worry, Deke, you’ll still have the classic, NSNA.
Anyways, I’d suggest you read posts properly before accusing anyone of anything.
Or better yet, you and me are oil and water. I disagree with practically every thing you post (if I can even understand what point you’re attempting to make), and I’m sure you feel the exact same way about me. Every day it takes me great effort not to reply to everything you write, and I often fail. So, why don’t we be as good as we possibly can: stop replying or sticking your nose in my posts and I’ll do the same. It only ends badly and it’s not a good look for me or you. I likely won’t ever agree with anything you say. And I’ll make the same assumption about you agreeing with me (the difference is: I don’t care whether you agree or disagree). I think you’re negative and a very good sh!t-disturber. So, with that, let’s virtually shake hands, offer each other the best, then steer clear of each other. You may feed off of negativity. I don’t. Makes me queasy.
Good luck 👍🏻 Deke.
But to be honest, from what I've seen/read, there is definitely a minority of Bond 'fans' who likely haven't really loved these film since the 70s (if that, seeing how many don't actually like the Moore era). I don't think they're on these forums incidentally.
I do think one of the great things about the Bond films are that they've gone through so many different interpretations. And everyone gravitates towards different ones. On and off these forums I know people who really dig Brosnan and Dalton's Bond movies. I know plenty who gravitate towards Moore over any of the others too. I love that it's not a given for everyone that, say, Sean Connery is the best Bond or that his era was perfect/definitive. Or that Daniel Craig is the only Bond actor whose films are worth watching (or indeed on the flip side of that that his films are horrid instalments past CR, and are antithetical to what Bond is). There are so many different opinions and interests when it comes to this franchise. Heck, there are so many different ages of fans on this forum alone who have different experiences of these movies/being introduced to them, and often I don't think any of us understand how cool that is. I dunno, I'm not opposed to complaining about things I don't like, but after a point I think it's also worth looking at what I do enjoy and get out of from these films (even if they aren't my favourite Bond instillments). Personally, if I wasn't bothered with Bond films anymore or truly enjoyed them anymore I likely wouldn't watch them in the cinemas or really keep up to date with it as I do. I wouldn't see the point.
I'd say let those who feel the need to complain about Bond... well, complain. This franchise is much larger than I think some people realise in terms of its fans, and quite a few got as lot out of the recent films.
I want another Casino Royale but for some reason it's hard for them to get to that level.
I don't think anyone's asking for unconditional love. And for me they did surpass CR in the Craig era, namely with SF. By quite a bit actually. Some would disagree with me, but it's not an uncommon opinion either.
Anyway, we'll never have another CR. Just like we'll never have another FRWL or GE, or whichever Bond movie you can think of.
Agreed @007HallY , disagreements and criticisms are healthy and educating. I’ve had some of my most rigid perspectives changed by having really constructive disagreements with some of our members. But I kept myself open to the disagreement and in the process have seen certain opinions of mine radically altered.
I never was the biggest Moore fan (a very strong bias was handed down to me via my father (a die hard Connery fan). Discussions with mtm were enlightening and Moore’s solidly locked as my third favourite Bond.
Most of us here are pretty fair. We like what we like. We don’t like what we don’t like. We discuss and debate. And most conversations are supremely interesting and, reading through them, I get new ideas from you guys and, even if I don’t agree, I can respect these wildly different perspectives.
I even pop into the video game thread. I don’t play these games. I tried with my son, and I suck at them. But I go on the thread anyways and read what the gamers are saying.
I’m not a fan of the continuation novels and stopped reading them some time ago, but I read through those posts and learn what’s going on
In short, this little site can be very educational about all things James Bond and I am deeply impressed and indebted to a vast number of you (smart, intelligent thoughts, most being dosed with plenty of humour)… This really is an awesome community (and perhaps why my patience for hearing negativity repeated over and over, eventually grates (criticism and negativity are vastly different things).
Oh, I don't mean the same movie. I want them to improve their game.
I'm not a fan of Sam Mendes but at least they tried with him.
Fair. But there'll always be those who think they have surpassed CR (or whichever film you can think of). And I suspect they always try and improve their game with each film anyway.
This seems to be a phenomenon on the internet since the mid-2010s, which is why ragebait is such a big thing. That there are folks who get something out of feeling indignant, because it makes them feel righteous to a degree. It’s why we see the term “objective opinion”, to assess an art you don’t like but articulate it in a way that makes it sound factual, therefore the filmmakers are objectively at fault. Because its not enough to have a personal opinion, it has to all be on the makers.
You nailed it. I guess I’m so out of it, and lacking in interest of this craziness, that i don’t think I’ve ever heard the term rage-bait, lol. If I have, it never stuck. But I won’t forget it now!
Sounds like you're describing all debate, online or not, anybody who participates in it, subconscious or not, enjoys the feeling of self-righteousness that comes with it. The difference is I'm not going to get up on my high horse and pretend that's not the case with me.
I still struggle to think of what Nolan would bring that hasn’t already been introduced in the Craig era. Now is the time for drastic reinvention and I don’t think Nolan was going to deliver that.
Yeah. Correct. Although, if it were him, I would have still looked forward to the film. But yeah, Maybe EON might be thinking they already have a Nolan-esque Bond film in Skyfall.
Oh, I can't really pinpoint to be honest. But I just felt it wasn't going to be Nolan. Maybe because EON had just finished the very sombre era of Craig...a style Nolan is also known for. Plus, Nolan is a big name. So he might clash with Barbara like Danny Boyle.
On a more general note though, I do often feel like, along with actors (looking at you Henry Cavill and Aidan Turner), when someone does something that's vaguely akin to 007, they have to direct a James Bond film or be James Bond himself? Is it possible that it's a subconscious way to anticipate success and be comforted, rather than having to wait and be surprised by the outcome?
As someone who is a BIG Superman fan, I could never get into Smallville. It just went on WAY TOO LONG, as you said. Plus, some of the comments Tom Welling said about it just being a job, and intentionally NOT wanting to ever wear the Superman suit, is unforgivable. At least Supergirl has some range, and a more passionate lead actress, in this case. That's my controversial opinion of the day!
I agree @peter Bond is a tough love situation for me. I'm mostly happy with the previous 71 years of Bond; books, comics, movies and video games. But as is typical fandom, I do have the right to have minor criticisms from time to time. Yes, Cubby should have let Connery have more creative control. Cubby was a businessman first, and some people view him as flawless in his Bond direction. Barbara Broccoli gave Daniel Craig, Judi Dench and Purvis and Wade too much creative control and love, honestly. But at the same time, she was always fighting an uphill battle with MGM's money troubles. And nobody could have been a better guide for that time for Bond. Meanwhile, Richard Maibaum thought he was the only person who could write a Bond story. While he always tried to put Fleming in his stories, he tended to think his material was the best. And we all know better. Blame him for the Solex in TMWTGG. He criticized LALD for its drug plot when he did the same thing in LTK. All the multiple Bond actors have a generally mixed bag of movies at the heart of the series. So, no one was a GOD when making these films. They always just set out to make the best movie (or book or video game) as possible. Generally, all three formats succeeded.
Yes, there are fair points for patience and wanting new material as soon as possible. But, we all know that James Bond will return. As for now, there's always new Bond material from literary, cinematic and gaming that many people forget about. Plus, Baby Boomers have hurt my generation in more ways than one!
All the debt! (I'm Gen X.)
Maibaum was amazing. As integral to establishing the '60s Bond as Connery, Barry, Cubby, Harry, Hunt, Young, and yes, Hamilton. He may have made some unkind comments over his career, but didn't Connery as well?
Also I feel like if EON REALLY wanted Nolan, they would’ve had him LONG ago…
HA! I was waiting for someone to say it.
Yep, I'm a Millennial. All the debt from the same politicians (on both sides) getting reelected, and voted in by and from the Baby Boomers generation! I'm sorry to make it personal, but you asked! Some real life Bond villains from that generation in (mainly) American politics!
As for Maibaum, I'll always be grateful that he worked on the series. Same with Purvis and Wade. But as I said above, it's a tough love situation. And Maibaum knew how to fight back! So, thankfully, not every idea is always great!
As for Nolan @007ClassicBondFan sometimes even fans don't want to take part in the creative process with their favorites. I think Nolan wants to watch a Bond movie again before making one, honestly.
And no shortage of real life Bond villains today who aren't boomers. Musk, Zuck, and Bozos doing anything to help?