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Until each course correction/new approach gave them those hits needed. It’s not just a case of continuing to make movies but making the right ones.
Except it was released in 2021. The 2019 date was for the Danny Boyle film which never happened. Why are you trying to conflate the gap with a nonexistent film?
My attitude would be a little different if this were happening within an actor’s run. Say BOND 26 comes out, three years pass and there’s no talk of what’s next, and it’s looking like it’ll be six years between an actor’s debut and a second installment. That would be concerning. Even with the gap between SF and NTTD, we were already getting news of a Bond 25 in 2017 with Craig confirming it’s his final film and the deal with Universal, then the 2019 release date announcement.
Again, EON's own patience isn't something to be frightened of.
@Denbigh — preach. You perfectly summed up my feelings.
And I am fully aware I’m more the fool for responding. I truly am an idiot, lol. And I never feel good about responding to the negativity. I’m slowly learning, but I’m a work in progress, lol
Frankly I find it a lot easier here than on social media which is just swarmed with negativity.
True, but with James Bond, I sometimes actually find (uncharacteristically so I admit) social media more positive, especially when it comes to this current break between films or maybe I've just been lucky in what I've seen...
I have one. Aaron Taylor-Johnson will be the next Bond. ;)
In the meantime, we can discuss the endless hypothetical possibilities of, as the title says, where does Bond go after Craig? The actors, the writers, the directors, the cinematographers, the story itself. The what could be as opposed to what will be or when we'll actually get it, because it's kinda wasted until that news trickles through and we'll just go around in circles.
Genuine 😂 😂 😂
Seconded.
In addition to having their pick of Fleming novels, Cubby and Harry were operating at the end of the studio system. Studios and producers could easily control and manipulate stars, directors, and writers. That all fell apart, deservedly so, by the late '60s.
Why do you think Connery became so angry with Cubby and Harry in the first place?
He was pushing against a production system that no longer exists, and that Barbara and Michael could not replicate today, even if they wanted to.
To go back to making films annually, they’d have probably buy up the continuation novels so they have ready to adapt material and find an actor that is desperate enough to be willing to endure Bond productions year round with little opportunities in between.
Very good point about the actor. The James Bond actor needs a break from these films too, to stretch his muscles on stage or in other films.
The studio system was treacherous. And yes, Cubby and Harry were brutal to the man who made them multi-millionaires. Cubby maybe softened in his old age, but he was ruthless when it came to paying people….
Even Cubby had to relent. We saw him switch from releasing a movie every 12 months to 18 months, then finally to 24 months starting with TSWLM. He saw how things deteriorated with Connery then adapted to give Moore the space any star deserves.
The Harry Potter films were originally supposed to be released every 12 months. That method was so grueling on everyone that the studio agreed to switch to an 18 month cycle instead. Granted, the close proximity of release was primarily done to keep the actors close to the age of their characters.
And he knew his worth, which is why he got even richer with NSNA. And he should have; he was the entire draw!
Despite his problematic views on women, without Connery and his first six films, I don't think cinematic Bond would have lasted, period.
Absolutely. The way I see it (and I could be wrong), Connery was just rough, old, and unknown enough to get people excited for his Bond. Once they were hooked, they would follow his Bond for a long time. And they did. Connery's rise to stardom coincided with Bond's rise to stardom. Though it's impossible to predict what would have happened if another guy had gotten the part, I'm pretty confident that Connery's importance cannot be easily overstated. It wasn't just he alone who made Bond happen, but he played a huge part in it nevertheless. If only Cubby and Harry had been smart enough to keep him happy...
I know how you feel @peter I'm a giant work in progress as well. As I've said before, we're lucky to have a lot of Bond material outside the movies. I know a lot of fans just want Fleming's books and EON's movies, but, there are a lot of time-killers with the comics, continuation novels and video games. Some of the other characters who have all that are Sherlock Holmes, Superman, Batman and Mario. Bond will always have a future. We'll probably get more news when we least expect it (Like IFP with Double-00s and The Q Mysteries). Amazon with Bond is probably like Disney with Star Wars: they know they have a guaranteed money maker, it would sit around for long. However, EON and Amazon are possibly learning from Disney and Lucasfilm, so that they don't rush things, and fire people continually. So, I'd rather have EON and Amazon have more of a plan than the others had. We know they both can make quality productions, so let's give them a chance.
Terence Young certainly didn’t play down how important Connery was. He’d be asked what it was that made DN become the hit it did and he said “I can give you three reasons: 1. Sean Connery. 2. Sean Connery. 3. Sean Connery.” Of course the filmmakers shouldn’t be discounted, but Connery and his undeniable magnetism was the secret weapon.
Same could be said of Daniel Craig, an actor doesn’t look like your conventional movie star. I remember my mom was skeptical of the guy, even going as far as to say “there’s no such thing as a blond James Bond”. 20 mins into the movie my mom is in love with Craig’s Bond, by the end of it he’s the best Bond ever.
The CraigNotBond folks like to crack about how Barbara was in love with Craig, but there’s no denying that Craig was an immensely popular Bond and arguably redefine the character for a new generation. I wouldn’t blame her for taking this hiatus if it was to help distance Craig from whoever the guy is.
And no less it's what they give the Bond character to do. That's really what carries the day and the film, even over the latest actor in the role. Beyond that the filmmakers read the current state, and coming out of pandemic conditions they managed it pretty masterfully. Now the pretty erratic successes of film releases are something that rightly give pause. And assessment. And alignment of conditions warranting start of production as the producers have weathered in the past.
Unusually sunny this week here outside DC.
It's funny because Marvel makes movies all the time and they have the actors working a lot.
It's not the system, it's EON. Bond may be too big for a family business.
2 or 3 years for a sequel is not "hurrying".
Spewing out movies on a regular basis.But at a cost. I’m trying to think of a recent movie from Marvel that has been a hit, outside of Avengers, Spider-Man or Guardians Of The Galaxy.
At least with EON being a family business, they actually care about what happens. Sure they’re a business and are in it to make money. But they don’t just put a movie out for the sake of it.
Unlike Marvel, no Bond film has ever been a flop.
Some might take longer to recoup there money, but never a flop.
I think Bond remains in very good hands at EON.
The film was intended to be released in October 2019. The film was delayed due to script changes and Boyle replaced. It went from October 25th 2019 to February 14th 2020 then moved a few times then delayed to September 30th 2021 due to Covid. The film was fully complete by early 2020 because it was going to be released in February of that year. If Bond 26 is in 2026 it's a six year gap (from NTTD being fully made at the start of 2020) or a seven year gap if Bond 26 is in 2027.
I recall Cary Joji Fukunaga saying no reshoots were done during the long covid delay. The film was complete by early 2020. February 14th is Valentine's Day so it was a memorable date to release a Bond film. 😉
I don't know...but I don't think you profoundly understand what @MakeshiftPython & @peter have been saying. Also, have you noticed that Marvel films aren't guaranteed box office draws anymore? Because like Disney - Star Wars, they kept releasing films after films, until people got tired. Surely @DEKE_RIVERS as a Bond fan, that isn't something you would want for James Bond.
I don't want Marvel system. My point is 2 or 3 years gaps are not "something of the past"
No, that's not true. It's EON. They've gone from being the fastest producers in the business to being the slowest. ;)
Maybe they are tired. Maybe they need a change.
It was only the first four films that were released annually.
So your argument kind of falls flat @DEKE_RIVERS
But then you do like to stir up a storm don’t you.
A better comparison would be something like the MI series, which since 2011 has had 3, but more often 4 + year gaps. The next Batman film will be out four years after the previous one, and even if it hadn’t been pushed back by DC it still would have had a three year gap. Even John Wick had a three year gap between the first one, and a four year gap between the third and fourth ones. EON’s output during the Craig era was fine in that sense.
I think one of the good things about Bond is that it is helmed by very specific people. It’s the old phrase used to describe EON that it operates like an independent film company which makes multi-milllion dollar movies. I don’t think you can take that away without sacrificing something with Bond. I think an alternative is very much a ‘be careful what you wish for’ thing.
The writer/actor strike would have delayed them if they’d started straight after NTTD anyway. As it is it’s seemingly a conscious decision to not go straight into production.
As I’ve said, it does seem there’s a long term plan there with them being involved more in the video game etc.
Who do we blame for what?
For having the 3 longest years in History.
;)