Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Oh my god, can we please talk about something else? It seems what I’ve said has fallen on deaf ears.

    Has anyone given any thoughts to any cinematographers they’d like to see have a shot at James Bond? I’d quite like to see Dariusz Wolski or Adam Arkapaw get the chance, they’re both incredible artists
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Oh my god, can we please talk about something else? It seems what I’ve said has fallen on deaf ears.

    Has anyone given any thoughts to any cinematographers they’d like to see have a shot at James Bond? I’d quite like to see Dariusz Wolski or Adam Arkapaw get the chance, they’re both incredible artists

    Ok, I'm tired of this too.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Anyone arguing that they should return to how production was done in the 1960s aren’t serious people. That was a completely different time with completely different systems in place. Connery getting that salary in 1971 was considered very high back in the day, but even with inflation adjusted that doesn’t compare to what some big stars make today.

    To go back to making films annually, they’d have probably buy up the continuation novels so they have ready to adapt material and find an actor that is desperate enough to be willing to endure Bond productions year round with little opportunities in between.

    It's funny because Marvel makes movies all the time and they have the actors working a lot.

    It's not the system, it's EON. Bond may be too big for a family business.

    2 or 3 years for a sequel is not "hurrying".

    Why are you even quoting my post? What I said in that had nothing to do with your reply. At no point did Robert Downey Jr or Chris Evans had to make Iron Man and Captain America centric films annually. The closest that happens is with crossover films like the Avengers which are ensembles where they don’t have to solely carry the films, which is very different from Connery making five Bond films within five years as THE star.

    Nothing in the post you quoted says anything about never going back to 2 to 3 year gaps. I was talking about making films annually. Why are you making posts in bad faith?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Anyone arguing that they should return to how production was done in the 1960s aren’t serious people. That was a completely different time with completely different systems in place. Connery getting that salary in 1971 was considered very high back in the day, but even with inflation adjusted that doesn’t compare to what some big stars make today.

    To go back to making films annually, they’d have probably buy up the continuation novels so they have ready to adapt material and find an actor that is desperate enough to be willing to endure Bond productions year round with little opportunities in between.

    It's funny because Marvel makes movies all the time and they have the actors working a lot.

    It's not the system, it's EON. Bond may be too big for a family business.

    2 or 3 years for a sequel is not "hurrying".

    Why are you even quoting my post? What I said in that had nothing to do with your reply. At no point did Robert Downey Jr or Chris Evans had to make Iron Man and Captain America centric films annually. The closest that happens is with crossover films like the Avengers which are ensembles where they don’t have to solely carry the films, which is very different from Connery making five Bond films within five years as THE star.

    Nothing in the post you quoted says anything about never going back to 2 to 3 year gaps. I was talking about making films annually. Why are you making posts in bad faith?

    This guy belongs on one of those other threads where 24-7 they piss and moan about how BB hates Bond and, EoN is a crappy producer of the Bond films and blah blah blah. They’re obsessed and they only derive pleasure by spreading their negativity. It’s an absolute joke and a sad existence because, in the end, all they’re doing is speaking out of their rear.
  • edited October 11 Posts: 4,139
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Oh my god, can we please talk about something else? It seems what I’ve said has fallen on deaf ears.

    Has anyone given any thoughts to any cinematographers they’d like to see have a shot at James Bond? I’d quite like to see Dariusz Wolski or Adam Arkapaw get the chance, they’re both incredible artists

    Charlotte Bruus Christensen for me. Great cinematographer (her credits include Girl on the Train, Far From the Madding Crowd, A Quiet Place, and most recently Murderer at the End of the World). I’ve heard her speak at a cinematography festival before. She has a great sense of story and mood. She was actually much more interesting than hearing some of the more established/older DoP’s speak.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Oh my god, can we please talk about something else? It seems what I’ve said has fallen on deaf ears.

    Has anyone given any thoughts to any cinematographers they’d like to see have a shot at James Bond? I’d quite like to see Dariusz Wolski or Adam Arkapaw get the chance, they’re both incredible artists
    Charlotte Bruus Christensen for me. Great cinematographer (her credits include Girl on the Train, Far From the Madding Crowd, A Quiet Place, and most recently Murderer at the End of the World).
    I could see her doing a great job. I've not really heard of her before now, but now that I know, I have to say loved her work on A Murder At The End Of The World in particular. She captures an appropriate tone incredibly well.
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Oh my god, can we please talk about something else? It seems what I’ve said has fallen on deaf ears.

    Has anyone given any thoughts to any cinematographers they’d like to see have a shot at James Bond? I’d quite like to see Dariusz Wolski or Adam Arkapaw get the chance, they’re both incredible artists
    Charlotte Bruus Christensen for me. Great cinematographer (her credits include Girl on the Train, Far From the Madding Crowd, A Quiet Place, and most recently Murderer at the End of the World).
    I could see her doing a great job. I've not really heard of her before now, but now that I know, I have to say loved her work on A Murder At The End Of The World in particular. She captures an appropriate tone incredibly well.

    She’s great. I can imagine her doing something really interesting with a Bond film. She’s brought a lot to thrillers she’s worked on in particular, so I think that’s a good sign.

    Maybe James Friend? He did All Quiet on The Western Front and a bunch of higher end tv (including the new Star Wars show). Definitely on the earlier side of his career but one to keep an eye out for.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Oh my god, can we please talk about something else? It seems what I’ve said has fallen on deaf ears.

    Has anyone given any thoughts to any cinematographers they’d like to see have a shot at James Bond? I’d quite like to see Dariusz Wolski or Adam Arkapaw get the chance, they’re both incredible artists
    I know you suggested Greig Fraser in the cinematography thread, and I thought his work on The Batman was amazing (I have rewatched it several times at least partly for that cinematography), so I’d be down for that. I’m a big fan of Christopher Doyle, but as has been pointed out, a flakey alcoholic probably isn’t the best fit for Eon! Great cinematographer, though.
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    Haris Zambarloukos, Kenneth Branagh's director of photography.

    He worked in Beetlejuice Beetlejuice too.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Oh my god, can we please talk about something else? It seems what I’ve said has fallen on deaf ears.

    Has anyone given any thoughts to any cinematographers they’d like to see have a shot at James Bond? I’d quite like to see Dariusz Wolski or Adam Arkapaw get the chance, they’re both incredible artists
    I know you suggested Greig Fraser in the cinematography thread, and I thought his work on The Batman was amazing (I have rewatched it several times at least partly for that cinematography), so I’d be down for that.
    Yeah, Greig is incredible and in many ways is the ideal choice for me as well, although with him probably doing The Batman Part 2 and Dune Part 3, I don't know if he'll have the time which would be a real shame, but also I wouldn't want anyone else to do The Batman or Dune so it's a tricky one...
    Haris Zambarloukos, Kenneth Branagh's director of photography.
    I'll always remember him for his work on Locke. A simple film in many ways but still beautiful in my opinion.
    007HallY wrote: »
    Maybe James Friend? He did All Quiet on The Western Front and a bunch of higher end tv (including the new Star Wars show). Definitely on the earlier side of his career but one to keep an eye out for.
    James is so interesting because his work on film and TV is so different. The fact he does All Quiet as well as Willow and The Acolyte.
  • edited October 11 Posts: 4,139
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Oh my god, can we please talk about something else? It seems what I’ve said has fallen on deaf ears.

    Has anyone given any thoughts to any cinematographers they’d like to see have a shot at James Bond? I’d quite like to see Dariusz Wolski or Adam Arkapaw get the chance, they’re both incredible artists
    I know you suggested Greig Fraser in the cinematography thread, and I thought his work on The Batman was amazing (I have rewatched it several times at least partly for that cinematography), so I’d be down for that. I’m a big fan of Christopher Doyle, but as has been pointed out, a flakey alcoholic probably isn’t the best fit for Eon! Great cinematographer, though.

    I feel Doyle needs a good splash of chaos/improvisation on a lot of films he works on. It’s why he works so well with Wong Kar-wai, who often shoots without a script. It’s probably not always ideal for a Bond film though! I’ve run into him/heard him speak too. Fascinating man (very heavy drinker though, yes, but it’s probably a part of what makes him interesting/has led him to live the life he has) and absolutely a great cinematographer.

    Fraser’s great, but I think he’ll be busy with Batman.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Haris Zambarloukos, Kenneth Branagh's director of photography.

    He worked in Beetlejuice Beetlejuice too.

    So you’re just gonna ignore my reply huh @DEKE_RIVERS?
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Yes, because everyone else wants the fighting to stop. Please let it go and suggest a cinematographer.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Wally Pfister
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    Wally Pfister

    I’m not sure he does feature films anymore. I remember hearing he wanted to spend more time with his family/wanted to direct so was concentrating on adverts and tv rather than films. He’s a great DoP though.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Yeah, good choice, I certainly think that’s the kind of calibre Eon aim for now.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I think Jarin Blaschke is worth mentioning. If you don't already know, he's the cinematographer most known for working with Robert Eggers (The Witch, The Lighthouse, The Northman, and the upcoming Nosferatu).
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    As someone who didn’t go to film school, can anyone tell me how I judge what to attribute to the director, and what to attribute to the cinematographer (or even sometimes set-designer) when I see a film with great visuals?
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    As someone who didn’t go to film school, can anyone tell me how I judge what to attribute to the director, and what to attribute to the cinematographer (or even sometimes set-designer) when I see a film with great visuals?

    The cinematographer and the director (perhaps even producers) work together early on to come up with the visual strategy and go through pre-production - ie. what kind of look/feel they want from the cinematography, shot lists, test shots etc. Ultimately on set though it’s the DoP who heads up the camera and lighting team and gets the shots needed.

    Basically it’s the head of a specific department. Ultimately the look of the film - the lighting, shots, camera movement etc - is on them and what they’re credited for. The nature of a director is they oversee the work as a whole and work with the heads of all those departments in one form or another (for example, a lot of directors sit with their editors throughout the editing process, and even those who are more hands off at this stage will watch their work after and give notes/suggestions). The set designer similarly liaises with the director, producers, location managers and even DoP at times to design the sets.

    Not that I’ve ever been to film school mind, haha. But that’s my experience.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Thank you, that’s very informative and makes a lot of sense. For example, sometimes when I watch a Gilliam film (deep staging, very detailed set design crammed with visual information) I look and think it must be a combination of talents to get that effect, but the style tends to be fairly consistent across all his films.
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    Thank you, that’s very informative and makes a lot of sense. For example, sometimes when I watch a Gilliam film (deep staging, very detailed set design crammed with visual information) I look and think it must be a combination of talents to get that effect, but the style tends to be fairly consistent across all his films.

    Yeah good point. Basically it’s a very collaborative medium, and it’s why a director has to know a bit about a lot of different things in filmmaking.
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    The Director will also direct the actors in shot. Do it this way/don't do it like that. We know Barbara used to tell Craig to close his mouth.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    echo wrote: »
    Connery was a serious actor. He wanted to work with Hitchcock, so he figured out a way. He wanted artistic films, so he cut a deal to do that in exchange for doing DAF.

    And he knew his worth, which is why he got even richer with NSNA. And he should have; he was the entire draw!

    Despite his problematic views on women, without Connery and his first six films, I don't think cinematic Bond would have lasted, period.

    Tell me more about Connery's problematic views on women, O enlightened one. Let's see if the ladies preferred Connery or the kind of man you like more. Should we listen to pantsuit gestapo Barbara Walters or the ladies who actually know Connery?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    echo wrote: »
    Connery was a serious actor. He wanted to work with Hitchcock, so he figured out a way. He wanted artistic films, so he cut a deal to do that in exchange for doing DAF.

    And he knew his worth, which is why he got even richer with NSNA. And he should have; he was the entire draw!

    Despite his problematic views on women, without Connery and his first six films, I don't think cinematic Bond would have lasted, period.

    Tell me more about Connery's problematic views on women, O enlightened one. Let's see if the ladies preferred Connery or the kind of man you like more. Should we listen to pantsuit gestapo Barbara Walters or the ladies who actually know Connery?

    Like Connery’s first wife??

    We know Barbara used to tell Craig to close his mouth.

    This was the greatest line of the day. Perfect. Out of left field. And imprinted an immediate image.

    Thank you @DewiWynBond . That was priceless!

  • JustJamesJustJames London
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    As someone who didn’t go to film school, can anyone tell me how I judge what to attribute to the director, and what to attribute to the cinematographer (or even sometimes set-designer) when I see a film with great visuals?

    Short version (and not cast iron because there’s different approaches) is the director shows you *what* you’re looking at, and the cinematographer makes it look *how* it looks.
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    I would put it this way, the cinematographer knows how to do what the director wants.
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    peter wrote: »
    This was the greatest line of the day. Perfect. Out of left field. And imprinted an immediate image.

    Thank you @DewiWynBond . That was priceless!
    You're welcome. She is also the director and knows the character's persona and how he should carry himself.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    echo wrote: »
    Connery was a serious actor. He wanted to work with Hitchcock, so he figured out a way. He wanted artistic films, so he cut a deal to do that in exchange for doing DAF.

    And he knew his worth, which is why he got even richer with NSNA. And he should have; he was the entire draw!

    Despite his problematic views on women, without Connery and his first six films, I don't think cinematic Bond would have lasted, period.

    Tell me more about Connery's problematic views on women, O enlightened one. Let's see if the ladies preferred Connery or the kind of man you like more. Should we listen to pantsuit gestapo Barbara Walters or the ladies who actually know Connery?

    Here you go.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    echo wrote: »
    Connery was a serious actor. He wanted to work with Hitchcock, so he figured out a way. He wanted artistic films, so he cut a deal to do that in exchange for doing DAF.

    And he knew his worth, which is why he got even richer with NSNA. And he should have; he was the entire draw!

    Despite his problematic views on women, without Connery and his first six films, I don't think cinematic Bond would have lasted, period.

    Tell me more about Connery's problematic views on women, O enlightened one. Let's see if the ladies preferred Connery or the kind of man you like more. Should we listen to pantsuit gestapo Barbara Walters or the ladies who actually know Connery?

    Let's keep it civil, gents. Thank you.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Love Connery the movie star, but that’s a pretty appalling thing for him to say as a human being.
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