Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 10:32am Posts: 16,587
    Right, this report -and we don’t know if it’s correct of course although they do say it's based on over 20 interviews- does sound believable to me and is what I’ve been saying for a while: Broccoli isn’t ‘lazy’ or out of ideas or whatever else griping fans like to accuse her of; the most likely scenario to me was always that there’s an issue with the MGM sale. That’s the thing which is always responsible for a 007 hiatus.

    I thought the Chitty remake showed hope on that front but maybe, as the report says, it throws the 007 issue into sharper focus.

    Expect this to get picked up by the papers soon. Many thanks to MakeshiftPython for sharing it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I thought Villeneuve would be out of the picture for Bond 26, but now it's pretty much confirmed we aren't getting the film for a while it's possible he could finish up Dune: Messiah and then get straight to work on Bond in time for 2028. It's rumoured that he was the first choice to direct the last film, and if Mendes, Campbell and Fukunaga are all out, then he could well be the next safest pair of hands. It would be a big job to lock him down on another franchise so soon after Bladerunner and Dune, Babs will certainly have her work cut out there..
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I wonder how sad Eon will be about this piece coming out; I guess amazon will suspect them of leaking it (and maybe they did) so that won't help, but also it gets the story out there and might even help to start things moving.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    mtm wrote: »
    I wonder how sad Eon will be about this piece coming out; I guess amazon will suspect them of leaking it (and maybe they did) so that won't help, but also it gets the story out there and might even help to start things moving.

    This was my thought while reading it too. The piece appears to be a pro-EON account, which mirrors my perspective on the situation but it still seemed a little slanted.
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    Why did Broccoli make the deal in the first place?
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    its amazing how Harry not selling his half of EON to Cubby back in 75 is still having a ripple effect today
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    I suppose this news reframes things slightly, or at least might do for some. Instead of EON being lazy and/or cautious it’s a behind the scenes problem. And to be fair I can imagine it being pretty much the truth.

    Obviously the article is only one side, but I’d say it makes the producers look good (ish) in this instance. From my perspective, again one sided as it is, it gives me the impression that the franchise is better off with EON than anyone else.
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    I don't think Barbara looks so good. I'm sure she won't receive a Christmas card from Amazon this year.


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  • edited 12:29pm Posts: 4,294
    I don't think Barbara looks so good. I'm sure she won't receive a Christmas card from Amazon this year.

    From Amazon's perspective I suspect they'll actually be eager to make themselves look good by appearing united with EON with their PR, and perhaps even behind the scenes (that's what they did a few months ago with Jennifer Salke saying they were with EON and would wait. Perhaps it was slightly misguided/backhanded by framing it as EON holding things up without acknowledging anything further, but ultimately I'd say there's no reason for them to poke any further than that. Even the article suggests they've enlisted Courtenay Valenti to try and create more of a bridge with them). For me the article gives the impression of headstrong but ultimately experienced producers protecting their franchise, with Amazon if anything appearing a bit clueless and bureaucratic. I don't get the sense Jeff Bezos is going to be marching in and demanding a Bond film, as some people here seem to claim/believe.

    Again, I understand that whichever side's writing the story controls the narrative (Cubby certainly spun things to EON's advantage in his day), but to me it doesn't give me much faith in Amazon.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I suppose this news reframes things slightly, or at least might do for some. Instead of EON being lazy and/or cautious it’s a behind the scenes problem. And to be fair I can imagine it being pretty much the truth.

    Obviously the article is only one side, but I’d say it makes the producers look good (ish) in this instance. From my perspective, again one sided as it is, it gives me the impression that the franchise is better off with EON than anyone else.
    Bingo

    The image of Barbara, one of the few old-school, shoot-from-the-hip type producers standing defiant in the face of amazon's means tested, algorithmic, data driven ethos is indeed quite stirring. Her approach seems a lot more human and personality based, and she probably finds herself becoming like the "old dog" that was alluded to in Skyfall, still fighting the good fight for the good of the cinemagoing public.
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    In any case I think we should prepare for the possibility that it could be a few more years before work on Bond 26 can truly begin, and boy those will be an interesting few years if this article is to be believed .
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I suppose this news reframes things slightly, or at least might do for some. Instead of EON being lazy and/or cautious it’s a behind the scenes problem. And to be fair I can imagine it being pretty much the truth.

    Obviously the article is only one side, but I’d say it makes the producers look good (ish) in this instance. From my perspective, again one sided as it is, it gives me the impression that the franchise is better off with EON than anyone else.
    Bingo

    The image of Barbara, one of the few old-school, shoot-from-the-hip type producers standing defiant in the face of amazon's means tested, algorithmic, data driven ethos is indeed quite stirring. Her approach seems a lot more human and personality based, and she probably finds herself becoming like the "old dog" that was alluded to in Skyfall, still fighting the good fight for the good of the cinemagoing public.

    Yes but she looks more like M in Skyfall...
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    I’d be interested in seeing what reactions are outside these forums. To me it really makes Amazon look a bit ridiculous in places. But I’m sure there are people who may want Moneypenny spin offs or tv shows about a female 007… I’m not sure that’s for me though.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 1:07pm Posts: 16,587
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Why did Broccoli make the deal in the first place?

    What deal?
    In any case I think we should prepare for the possibility that it could be a few more years before work on Bond 26 can truly begin, and boy those will be an interesting few years if this article is to be believed .

    Well there is the chance that now the bad publicity is shifting onto Amazon, it may put a bit of fire under them to start running things properly- and to be honest, if you're asking me whether the producers who have been making one of the most successful film series in the world for the last 30 years, and who just picked up an Oscar for it, are the more professional ones when it comes to making a blockbuster movie and whose side is more likely to be correct about this situation; or whether it's the guys who made Citadel, I'm going to go for the former.
    A very wise person pointed out to me that the Chitty news Deke linked to above may be an attempt by Amazon to shift focus away from this article.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    With Nolan, it is about control. His producer is his wife. She is in the "Barbara role" on Nolan's films. So there's already a conflict before a word is written.

    Nolan'll never happen.

    With Amazon or whoever would buy the rights from them, Barbara Broccoli holds all the cards...and she knows it.
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    I don't want any spin-off but it seems logical to put it on the table.

    It's the PC thing that worries me the most. Do they want an American Bond? What do the algorithms tell them?
  • edited 1:18pm Posts: 4,294
    I don't want any spin-off but it seems logical to put it on the table.

    It's the PC thing that worries me the most. Do they want an American Bond? What do the algorithms tell them?

    Well, in practice that algorithm (or indeed ‘test audience’) driven, oversaturated approach with a lack of knowledge about the fundamentals of the character is the alternative.

    I’ll take EON, personally.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Amazon's algorithms don't matter because Barbara Broccoli is in complete creative control.

    It's refreshing, in this fractured world, that there's one thing that's not succumbing to AI. Her human judgment on what is best for Bond.
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    In 2005 Batman Begins was an exploration of Fear, and was the precursor to a darker Bond. In 2025 Superman appears to be a treatise on hope and optimism, could it similarly be the harbinger of where Bond will find itself in a few years?

    I don't know but Superman looks quite mediocre. Reminds me of Superman Returns.

    That’s a good thing in my opinion. I love Rouths interpretation of the character but David Corenswet looks great so far.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    echo wrote: »
    With Nolan, it is about control. His producer is his wife. She is in the "Barbara role" on Nolan's films. So there's already a conflict before a word is written.

    Nolan'll never happen.

    With Amazon or whoever would buy the rights from them, Barbara Broccoli holds all the cards...and she knows it.

    Boom.

    So when Amazon is prepared to dig their heels in, and Babs ain't budging for them, all we can do is wait. :-w

    It could take a few years, even 2028 is starting to feel optimistic.
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    mtm wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Why did Broccoli make the deal in the first place?

    What deal?
    In any case I think we should prepare for the possibility that it could be a few more years before work on Bond 26 can truly begin, and boy those will be an interesting few years if this article is to be believed .

    Well there is the chance that now the bad publicity is shifting onto Amazon, it may put a bit of fire under them to start running things properly- and to be honest, if you're asking me whether the producers who have been making one of the most successful film series in the world for the last 30 years, and who just picked up an Oscar for it, are the more professional ones when it comes to making a blockbuster movie and whose side is more likely to be correct about this situation; or whether it's the guys who made Citadel, I'm going to go for the former.
    A very wise person pointed out to me that the Chitty news Deke linked to above may be an attempt by Amazon to shift focus away from this article.

    Oh yeah I’m behind Broccoli/EON as well. It’s a bit troubling reading some of those quotes from people at Amazon.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited 1:25pm Posts: 8,211
    This bit got my attention.
    And with no clear direction of the Bond movie strategy, the show has become a venue for discussion within Amazon about the character’s place in the broader world, and whether the valorization of a dangerously violent, womanizing secret agent is what’s best for society today.

    During a company meeting about the second season, an Amazon employee admitted her own misgivings.

    “I have to be honest,” she said. “I don’t think James Bond is a hero.”

    The room went silent.

    I wonder if that woman was among those Barbara was referring to as “****ing idiots”.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I must admit I hesitated a bit at that part of the article: I'd like to see the context for that comment, because to be honest I think it's a valid conversation to have in a private meeting.
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    People on these forums have said that too more or less. That or Bond is an 'anti-hero'.

    I suspect from the producer's point of view it's naive and could come off as a bit flippant even if it was said in a more forgiving context. Bond fundamentally is a hero. He simply has vices which are double edged swords as well as personal flaws (ie. his womanising, while very much intertwined with his sense of adventure/life, can also lead to trouble for him or the women in question. It's the same for his drinking, gambling, and attitude to taking risks). But fundamentally he always does what he does for a greater good. If you've gone into these films your whole career with that fundamental attitude, I can see why they'd be impatient or feel there's a clash there.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 1:58pm Posts: 16,587
    Sure, I could imagine though they may have been coming at it from the point of view of some feminists, which is out there, that his chauvinistic side is very much a turn-off for the whole concept of him and won't win viewers. Y'know, less about whether he does good things to save the world within the fiction, which is inarguable, but more whether the actual concept of the character can be a hero today. You just have to listen to the slightly tedious Helen O'Hara of Empire talk about him (I remember a few years ago she tore Bond apart in their 'greatest cinema characters' poll discussion, whilst straight facedly making the case for Captain Marvel to be on the list. Of greatest cinema characters ever. Captain Marvel.)
    Which is why I think the context is important, the quote feels a bit cherry-picked.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Sure, I could imagine though they may have been coming at it from the point of view of some feminists, which is out there, that his chauvinistic side is very much a turn-off for the whole concept of him and won't win viewers. Y'know, less about whether he does good things to save the world within the fiction, which is inarguable, but more whether the actual concept of the character can be a hero today. You just have to listen to the slightly annoying Helen Lewis of Empire talk about him (I remember a few years ago she tore Bond apart in their 'greatest cinema characters' poll discussion, whilst straight facedly making the case for Captain Marvel to be on the list. Of greatest cinema characters ever)
    Which is why I think the context is important, the quote feels a bit cherry-picked.

    Oh yes, it's lacking in context so we don't know one way or the other. Again, it's a very particular side of this whole thing!

    I do think it's important for those involved in making Bond to at least try to understand how he works as a hero. Understandably the character's had his nasty moments, especially in older films, but if you're going to bring such a character with those vices/flaws into a new era I think his heroism is vital. I suspect as well the criticisms about Bond's 'relevancy' in this regard is something the producers have heard since the late 80s, if not earlier! And each time they've brought the character into contemporary times, and often with more or less the same approach to his flaws. So I can see in specific contexts it being annoying to hear. But again, obviously we don't know.
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    > To friends, Broccoli has characterized her thoughts on Amazon this way: “These people are f— idiots.”

    My hero
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 2:56pm Posts: 16,587
    So here's the Daily Mail's take on the news, where they say that Broccoli is 'holding the character hostage' and that she 'seemingly has no interest in making them with Amazon', so they're keen to make her the villain:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-14212899/Future-James-Bond-hangs-balance-amid-stand-Barbara-Broccoli-Amazon-following-6-5-billion-MGM-purchase.html

    (I had a quick look at the comments and it's all just morons talking about how they shouldn't make Bond 'woke')

    Slightly more level-headed reporting of the article here:

    https://filmstories.co.uk/news/james-bond-26-new-report-suggests-amazon-eon-friction-at-heart-of-new-film-delay/

    https://movieweb.com/james-bond-clashes-between-barbara-broccoli-amazon/
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    It's one of those articles which is spinning a narrative out of a few quotes removed from context and a lot of supposition. It also seems to be saying that nothing is happening at all, which I think flies in the face of Peter's 2028 start date. Peter's source could well be wrong, or be listening to optimists at Amazon, but I think if Peter still has confidence in his guy I'd put more faith in that than this article.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I guess we saw this coming. I don't think we ever thought Amazon would simply do the nodding, while EON does the talking. Oh, well...Just when I thought Amazon were surprisingly respecting EON's way.
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