Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Wasn’t too sure where to put this. Just an observation I made on the cover of the Sunday Times here in Perth.
    Daniel Craig makes the cover, four years after leaving the role of James Bond behind, to look at his role in Queer that is a world apart from his time as 007.

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    Just goes to show that whatever an actor does, they will always be associated with James Bond forever after.

    As has often been discussed, taking on such a role is a huge life choice for the actor.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Craig seems to be having the best post-Bond career since Connery, but like his predecessor, he'll always be associated with 007.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited January 10 Posts: 3,807
    Unless that actor have already played an iconic role before Bond: Marvel and DCU comes to mind, so aside from Bond, he would be associated with his respective superhero role.

    But I doubt EON would go down that route, certainly not those actors who have been in big movie franchises, most likely an Indie (not so much known) actor, so, yes, he will be associated with the Bond role forever.
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    Bond was in my dream last night. It was a cool dream but he said he wasn't sure of my potential.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    It goes to show how big Bond is though.
    With no film in the pipeline or any news to speak of, a story that concerns a former Bond actors new role can still get attention by being on the cover of a newspaper.
    James Bond, can get peoples attention clearly.
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    Benny wrote: »
    It goes to show how big Bond is though.
    With no film in the pipeline or any news to speak of, a story that concerns a former Bond actors new role can still get attention by being on the cover of a newspaper.
    James Bond, can get peoples attention clearly.
    Absolutely. Daniel Craig take was refreshing, raw, and he connected with more people. He is probably the definitive Bond and he leaves a lasting impression. For all the challenges he went through, he doesn't get enough praise. Hope he becomes a mentor.
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    OMG, what will everyone do if EON actually tries something actually new with Bond leaving the Craig, Connery, Moore, Lazenby, Brosnan and Dalton fans out in the cold?

    In your opinion, what would leave those fans in the cold?

    Honestly, I was going to say "I don't pretend to know the different routes Eon might take" but then I read a few comments above. As a Connery fan, a black, gay or bisexual Bond would no longer be Bond to me but just another spy action hero character. Without his roots at least tied to the Fleming books I would no longer be interested in the Bond character. To me, there would be no reason to implement these kind of changes other than for the sake of arbitrarily making a change. In today's culture these changes could fly but not for this Connery fan.
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    delfloria wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    OMG, what will everyone do if EON actually tries something actually new with Bond leaving the Craig, Connery, Moore, Lazenby, Brosnan and Dalton fans out in the cold?

    In your opinion, what would leave those fans in the cold?

    Honestly, I was going to say "I don't pretend to know the different routes Eon might take" but then I read a few comments above. As a Connery fan, a black, gay or bisexual Bond would no longer be Bond to me but just another spy action hero character. Without his roots at least tied to the Fleming books I would no longer be interested in the Bond character. To me, there would be no reason to implement these kind of changes other than for the sake of arbitrarily making a change. In today's culture these changes could fly but not for this Connery fan.

    Thanks for sharing. I feel the same way.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited January 11 Posts: 8,525
    delfloria wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    OMG, what will everyone do if EON actually tries something actually new with Bond leaving the Craig, Connery, Moore, Lazenby, Brosnan and Dalton fans out in the cold?

    In your opinion, what would leave those fans in the cold?

    Honestly, I was going to say "I don't pretend to know the different routes Eon might take" but then I read a few comments above. As a Connery fan, a black, gay or bisexual Bond would no longer be Bond to me but just another spy action hero character. Without his roots at least tied to the Fleming books I would no longer be interested in the Bond character. To me, there would be no reason to implement these kind of changes other than for the sake of arbitrarily making a change. In today's culture these changes could fly but not for this Connery fan.

    Me too. :D
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    Well said, df.
  • ArapahoeBondFanArapahoeBondFan Colorado
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    Indeed.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    delfloria wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    OMG, what will everyone do if EON actually tries something actually new with Bond leaving the Craig, Connery, Moore, Lazenby, Brosnan and Dalton fans out in the cold?

    In your opinion, what would leave those fans in the cold?

    Honestly, I was going to say "I don't pretend to know the different routes Eon might take" but then I read a few comments above. As a Connery fan, a black, gay or bisexual Bond would no longer be Bond to me but just another spy action hero character. Without his roots at least tied to the Fleming books I would no longer be interested in the Bond character. To me, there would be no reason to implement these kind of changes other than for the sake of arbitrarily making a change. In today's culture these changes could fly but not for this Connery fan.

    Or for the sake of appeasing a loud internet minority that would instantly pump a victorious fist and then probably never care about Bond anymore.
  • edited January 11 Posts: 764
    No point rushing. When a new direction and actor are found then the film will go into production. Assuming Amazon brains trust grow some. Daniel Craig is a tough act to follow. There is currently no actor I can see in the role.
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    Has Craig become the new Connery? No one can replace him? Might we see the next Bond failing to carry on, only to see Craig come back for one final film with a guaranteed contract of millions? But Bond died. No sweat. Can always get around that.

    Craig was a good Bond. But we're long past not being able to find a replacement. We've had six Bonds. There's another out there. There always is.
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    Well, if Craig was the 'new' Connery then that means we might potentially get the 'new' Moore at some point. And that didn't work badly for the series.

    I'm being glib of course, and I don't think there are any alternative versions of Connery or Moore. In the same way there will never be another Craig. Personally, I don't believe there's a definitive version of the cinematic James Bond. It's only different actors (albeit a very select few) giving their interpretation of this character.

    Agreed, there's someone out there and always will be.
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    Has Craig become the new Connery? No one can replace him? Might we see the next Bond failing to carry on, only to see Craig come back for one final film with a guaranteed contract of millions? But Bond died. No sweat. Can always get around that.

    Craig was a good Bond. But we're long past not being able to find a replacement. We've had six Bonds. There's another out there. There always is.

    I don't think it's Craig himself that is hard to follow, but Casino Royale as a debut Bond film.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    With Craig Bond they really put him through it, as Blofeld said. He was rightfully the focus since they started with the first novel, and used that opportunity for the storytelling.

    007's mission and the involved characters can serve the same purpose story-wise to ramp things up. As Bond Girl, sacrificial lamb, or otherwise. More as standalone tales, where Bond is confronted with a compelling situation that's not his own. And he reacts.

    Expect that will still be grounded. To me the Craig films had plenty of humor and fun. Open for increase of course with a new actor, or really a new direction chosen by the producers. And director.

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    For me, the Craig series has never been able to live up to CR. I attribute a lot of that to the fact that Fleming material made up the bulk of the plot rather creating original stories with a bit of a Fleming thrown in here and there.

    Though Connery is still my number one Bond, CR and OHMSS occupy the top spot in my list of Bond films.
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    I think what’s a testament to the overall quality of Casino Royale is that despite how much fanboys moan and gripe over the creative decisions made during Craig’s tenure overall - everyone can at least agree that CR is a great film.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    M_Blaise wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Has Craig become the new Connery? No one can replace him? Might we see the next Bond failing to carry on, only to see Craig come back for one final film with a guaranteed contract of millions? But Bond died. No sweat. Can always get around that.

    Craig was a good Bond. But we're long past not being able to find a replacement. We've had six Bonds. There's another out there. There always is.

    I don't think it's Craig himself that is hard to follow, but Casino Royale as a debut Bond film.

    Disagree. Craig and CR are inseparable. He's that strong, out of the box. Without him, I don't know what would have happened to the series.

    It's as if the universe owed us one after DAD.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    echo wrote: »
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Has Craig become the new Connery? No one can replace him? Might we see the next Bond failing to carry on, only to see Craig come back for one final film with a guaranteed contract of millions? But Bond died. No sweat. Can always get around that.

    Craig was a good Bond. But we're long past not being able to find a replacement. We've had six Bonds. There's another out there. There always is.

    I don't think it's Craig himself that is hard to follow, but Casino Royale as a debut Bond film.

    Disagree. Craig and CR are inseparable. He's that strong, out of the box. Without him, I don't know what would have happened to the series.

    It's as if the universe owed us one after DAD.

    That's my idea too. I cannot say for sure that no one else could have pulled it off, but at least Craig showed continued dedication despite all the bashing on the Internet and the inexcusable attitude of the press towards his announcement, despite all the setbacks (strikes, takeovers, COVID), and even though things aren't always that easy to do when one gets a little older. Craig was a fantastic Bond. Some may like to hold that "slit my wrists" remark against him, but that, too, was a sign of all the personal energy and commitment he had pumped into SP. Revisiting the Bonds as often as I do, I continue to marvel at how much Craig's presence and acting as Bond are gifts that keep giving.

    So yes, having another actor step into Craig's shoes will be challenging.
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    echo wrote: »
    Without him, I don't know what would have happened to the series.

    I’ll go on a limb and say that the series would’ve been fine without Craig. I’m grateful for his casting of course, and I’m grateful that we received at least one great film in CR but it’s not as if the series was in jeopardy at all - quite the opposite in fact. A course correction was always going to be done after DAD and Brosnan’s popularity as Bond with audiences was still strong at that time despite the criticisms of most of his era.

    The true make or break moment was Goldeneye back in 95. Had that film failed it probably would’ve been the end of Bond as a franchise; but luckily it’s monumental success allowed for the series to continue and each subsequent film (in both Brosnan and Craig’s tenures) all built off of the foundations of Goldeneye.
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    Is it time for another stolen nuke type plot as there is too close to potential reality with Putin and Trump in bed together?
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