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Anyone who seriously speaks like this on the forum will ensure that I will stay off said forum until they stop. The damn films have names for a reason. Bond 26 and onward are the only ones that won't give me a headache.
Very good...!
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Say what you want about Brosnan and Craig, both actors and their films brought back the franchise to a temporary great sense of relevance. DAD was commercially successful but not from a creatively or criticality standpoint.
I agree. In the 80's people thought that Bond could never be done without gags thrown in liberally, it was seen as an intrinsic part of the series that Bond has to have a one liner up his sleeve, and play any situation off in a cool, debonair fashion. You can't have Bond without that cheekiness, it's not possible. Now you look, and fans can't seem to conceive of a Bond who isn't constantly emotionally burdened and has a personal investment in what he's called on to investigate. Where's the depth? Whats the personal stakes? How is this affecting him?
The truth when it comes to creativity and taking risks, it means going against the recieved wisdom and the common way of doing things. Who would have thought that rebooting Bond and leaving out Moneypenny and Q would have worked? No gadget laiden car? Absolutely outragous in the mid 2000's. Yet it was the right call for what they had in mind. Its very likely that what comes next with Bond 26 will be similarly disruptive to the established order of things, and no doubt it will be a bit jarring for some who've become accustomed to things the way they are.
Sounds quite a lot like NTTD quite frankly... sorry, Bond 25...
Bond's had its ups and downs, but never an outright flop (even OHMSS or TMWTGG). Which is encouraging. Even then Moore's first two Bonds weren't smooth sailing, and Dalton's era had its issues. So I think making the best film possible will be a big part of it.
Having a gadget laden car return in NTTD was a breath of fresh air though. I'm not counting the one from SP as none of the gadgets worked except from the flamethrower.
The DB5 dropping grenade mines is probably my favorite part of the film
I think if the next Bond era can run with that general idea I'd be happy. More gadgets than the early Craig films, but don't leave that genuine sense of danger at the door. And keep that Bondian style.
I think DAD and TMWTGG are quite similar: both still successful and entertaining, but the producers were canny enough each time to realise the series was going off the tracks just ever so slightly and needed an adjustment.
Yeah it was great to finally give the DB5 a proper gadget chase after all these years: it sort of feels like every time it's re-appeared it's been a strange exercise in not giving us the candy we're promised. You can have a chase with it, but no gadgets; or you can have a couple of the gadgets used, but no chase. Or most of the time it's not much more than set dressing, really. Worst of all is Thunderball, where he's about to use a gadget and then doesn't! You can't do that to us kids! And even in Goldfinger it never gets the same sort of exposure that the later gadget cars do.
And yes, it's a good chase with Bond using his wits, and of course it becomes part of the character story too, it's great. I think, funnily enough, it was really sold as being CraigBond's car by the end of his run: I do associate it with him as much as Connery I think.
Both Brosnan and Craig have driven it. I think it’s time to put it away.
Yeah, It's boring now.
In any case it is too old a car for a modern Bond.
I'm not sure if it was 'essential' in the 80s. Hell, they outright blew up the Lotus in FYEO and opted for a chase in a gadget-less car after the submarine Lotus and inflatable Gondola in the previous films. You kind of see that as well during the street chase in OP and the Paris one in AVTAK, where Bond isn't relying on gadgets but using his wits and skill/what's around him. Interestingly we get a gadget filled car in TLD, and in LTK not. GE teased us with the BMW's stinger missiles that never materialised! Which is why the gadget laden BMW in TND feels a lot more refreshing. Then of course in TWINE the gadgets in the BMW are underplayed (I guess the idea was to raise the stakes during the factory ambush by the buzzsaw dispatching the BMW early, thus forcing Bond to defeat the choppers in other ways).
I just don't see some cultural pendulum swinging back and forth between what audiences find acceptable in Bond. It's just about the creative team coming up with what works best from film to film and the stories/sequences they're crafting. And to a great extent what's practical to do. It's very much the case with the Craig era.
I get that. It's also why I wouldn't be annoyed if the DB5 turned up again. Personally, I just kinda associate James Bond being this charismatic figure who drives around in that car, whether that's Craig, Brosnan, or Connery.
I often think the V8 feels like the car the Bond of the books would have driven: old, far too big and selfish, loud, gas-guzzling and brutish. And it's even grey.
True. It feels like Bond's book car. Yeah, the color too, truly fitting for Bond.
There's plenty of stuff to riff off of for Bond 26 (and no, I don't think America's political problems should show up in the slightest): sabotage of civilian (energy, internet, transportation and communication), trade, and military infrastructure; such sabotage at sea to bring in a naval connection; assassination of defectors/dissidents; money-laundering through cryptocurrency; corporate/technology espionage through foreign investing.
I wasn't yelling at you, @Qbranch. I know you're taking the piss. At least I hope you are. 😂
I just meant anyone here who referred to the films this way in all seriousness.
Thriving, if anything. 😂
As for 'where does Bond go', I'd like to see the new era move away from referencing previous films so blatantly and take more influence from the games and comics. I like how the Dynamite comics kept the adventures feeling contemporary with tech-y storylines such as Hammerhead, Black Box etc. while adding Fleming-specific traits like the Bentley and Morlands but also updating them. Kill Chain, where Bond has to identify a sniper based on his unique rifle and goes to Q for help. That's a bit like Patrice in SF of course. A lot of the story is set at night and looks quite noir-ish. Solstice, where Bond does an off-the-books task for M. Bond in Paris at Christmas time. Would love to see that one in particular adapted and expanded upon like TLD.
You can give one of the films a total Cold War vibe by simply adding soldiers and snow. Let's see more submarines and satellites; more spycraft and honeytraps and most importantly a lot of sexiness.
B26 is bound to be a wild success due to the wait and the production putting everything they've got into that first film. It'll be like GE and CR all over again for sure, maybe giving us a fresh tone and embodiment of Bond we hadn't imagined. Exciting times ahead.
Personally I hope we see more toys, games and novelization tie-ins during this next phase - that's what was so great about the Brosnan era - there was a great deal of fun coming out of the various mediums, which had petered out entirely midway through Craig's tenure. Oh, to be head of the merchandising team.
I agree 100%, there is a new generation who needs to be exposed to James Bond, in more ways than one. If they have to reference works other than Fleming and previous EON movies, it should be tried. There should be more of a wider audience than just fans of older movies. Other forms of media could help Bond in the long run, with getting new and younger fans.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-14412487/James-Bond-fans-THREE-years-legal-issues.html
He says "legal thing." I don't know if he means Amazon or Eon are going to litigate or in litigation due to the impasse (no media mention of a lawsuit) or maybe "legal thing" is issues over the direction they want to take.
It's possible Martin Campbell is referring to the lawsuit by some businessman regarding copyright of Bond. It was reported a few days ago.
I don't think that would impact Bond 26. Seems a nonsensical lawsuit.
Goldeneye took six years to arrive due to a 1990 lawsuit.
Two years to resolve that lawsuit plus three more years to make Goldeneye.
If Barbara Broccoli has no intention of working with Amazon then it's very likely to be another long gap. 2025 to ?