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  • StamperStamper
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    No one will put their stamp on James Bond anymore. You would be crazy to think that all the future films decisions will come from one woman and one man (as it did since the cinema series began, first two men and their women, then one woman and one man).
    There will be no stamp, it's going to be all committee from people who will be fired once the films fails to draw clics past the first week.
    Just look at what they did to Doctor Who, or TLOTR, or any other corporate takeover brand.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    Are you guys prepared for a whole NEW look and feel to Bond? The one thing you can be sure of is that who ever they bring on to create the new Bond will put their own stamp on it, though we might still get the James Bond theme. That is what filmmakers are paid to do. I've worked on enough sequels and remakes to see it happen over and over again.
    To be honest I'm excited, but also concerned. Standard feelings when entering new territory. Not expecting the wow factor of CR but something along the lines of TLD or GE.

    I might look at it like this: If Amazon deliver us Bond films in the same quality as the on-average weaker entries i.e. DAF/AVTAK/DAD etc. then I'll be satisfied because I still love those films.

    Oh, and bring back the 007 theme!
    Yes, people were happy with GoldenEye after all.
    They certainly were. However, I discovered Bond in early 1995, so I didn't experience that 6 year wait between films. For me, my introduction was watching a handful of Connery and Moore films on TV then VHS throughout 1995, and when GE came out, simply considered it another fun addition to the series. Not better or worse than any other adventure, just more Bond goodness. From memory, none of my friends were as big a Bond fan as me, and they all thought GE was pretty awesome.

    Just to add, I've never seen GE or Brosnan as a greatest hits Bond. DAD yes, which was obviously intentionally referencing every prior entry for the 40th.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    People forget that Force Awakens was very faithful to original Star Wars, and it was Rian Johnson who came in and threw the plan out the window, not the faceless corporate stooges. There will definitely be a big effort to win over Bond fans initially.

    I guess that came about because of Disney’s strategy (different directors with different takes on each film). If anything I think that shows why you need a hands on lead producer (or producers) to get a sense of consistency and direction.

    That said I actually didn’t like Force Awakens (not a Star Wars fan, but it felt like I’d seen that film before. And not in a formula driven movie way, but a kind of boring way). The second was a bit of a miss for me, but not for the reasons I often see hardcore fans complain about (I personally don’t see why Luke wouldn’t end up in the situation he did in the story). I think if they’d run with many ideas of the second one the third one would have been a bit better.
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    Are you guys prepared for a whole NEW look and feel to Bond? The one thing you can be sure of is that who ever they bring on to create the new Bond will put their own stamp on it, though we might still get the James Bond theme. That is what filmmakers are paid to do. I've worked on enough sequels and remakes to see it happen over and over again.
    To be honest I'm excited, but also concerned. Standard feelings when entering new territory. Not expecting the wow factor of CR but something along the lines of TLD or GE.

    I might look at it like this: If Amazon deliver us Bond films in the same quality as the on-average weaker entries i.e. DAF/AVTAK/DAD etc. then I'll be satisfied because I still love those films.

    Oh, and bring back the 007 theme!

    Yes, people were happy with GoldenEye after all.

    I think both GE and TLD are a lot braver and interesting as Bond films than people seem to be giving them credit for recently. I certainly find them more interesting than something like Force Awakens.

    I've definitely seen people describe GE as a "greatest hits" Bond film, which is similar to the criticism of TFA. I think the likelihood is that we'll see a film which runs the risk of feeling a bit empty and soulless to make sure Bond is portrayed as heroic and in control, the mission for Amazon will be to win over fans with a crowdpleasing entry that people leave the cinema (or the sofa) feeling like Bond is back.

    I can understand why people say it’s a ‘greatest hits’ film, but I think that actually undervalues exactly what GE is and why it was quite an important Bond film. All Bond movies rely on those broad tropes to some extent, so they’re all ‘greatest hits’ films if we take it like that. The flip side to this is GE’s a film that had to bring Bond into the post Cold War era and do something different with these broad tropes. It’s a fine line between a crowd pleasing Bond film that reintroduces our hero and brings him into the world today, and something soulless and corporate.

    Personally, I think if we get a Force Awakens it’ll be successful in the short term, but I think it’d be a bad sign going forward if on the whole it was seen as too safe or without substance. It makes the likelihood of Last Jedi type misfires more likely.

    GE is not my favorite Bond film but I will say that Famke Janssen does not get enough credit for helping to rejuvenate the series through her performance.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    The fact that GE is being mentioned so many times obviously has many meanings, one of which is that all of us can agree that Amazon should take it as a template for what works, stylistically and formally.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I think Goldeneye feels like the "greatest hits" Bond film and its perhaps it feels like the first truly modern Bond film
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited 2:17pm Posts: 4,633
    I think a corporate, by committee (soulless) Bond flick doesn’t just mean a generic modern one. It can be any number of things - a ramped up period adaptation of a Fleming novel in the name of ‘fan service’, using a gimmicky villain or idea to be ‘relevant’, a consciously big and ‘fun’ Bond adventure etc. All of these things can be uninteresting and without surprises for what they are, or indeed have little imagination. It’s a fine line with Bond.
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I think Goldeneye feels like the "greatest hits" Bond film and its perhaps it feels like the first truly modern Bond film

    I know what you mean. It’s using some big tropes but to me it’s not copy and pasting. There’s a lot of stuff in there that was fresh but familiar, even new.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 2:16pm Posts: 2,286
    Univex wrote: »
    The fact that GE is being mentioned so many times obviously has many meanings, one of which is that all of us can agree that Amazon should take it as a template for what works, stylistically and formally.

    Yeah, a lot of us have said TLD & GE should be used as the template for the next Bond era. So Amazon should look at those two Bond films. Also, yeah @Jordo007 GE is the first modern Bond film.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    Goldeneye is also one of the most important Bond films; if not the most important I’d say, proving 007 could survive and thrive post Cold War. To look back on it wouldn’t be a bad thing for Amazon to do; but are Amazon actually smart enough to do that? That’s a different question entirely.
  • patbpatb
    edited 2:49pm Posts: 4,651
    IMHO, the key with Goldeneye is the tone, it has a light touch when required but also, the darker, back story with Alec. It's hard to explain but there is a joy and optimism to it. After the darkness of the Craig years, the tone of Goldeneye would be perfect for Amazon to go for.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    patb wrote: »
    It's hard to explain but there is a joy and optimism to it.

    He's going to derail us.

  • UnivexUnivex
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    echo wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    It's hard to explain but there is a joy and optimism to it.

    He's going to derail us.
    [Xenia licks her lips]
  • patbpatb
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    of course, it's all linked because if they want a lighter tone, you need an actor who can handle that (which PB was very good at) and writers who understand that. Imagine Criag in Goldeneye, just horrible (I digress)
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    Apart from being the first post Cold War Bond film, GE marked a new creative point in the series. Several new collaborators came onboard for starters. It looks very different to the 70s/80s Bond movies (cinematography wise it’s very atmospheric with some very dark scenes). It’s breezy in places and ultimately gives us several Bond tropes in various forms (gadgets, a megalomaniac villain, humour) but it’s also a very character focused film and integrates very interesting, thought out ideas -Bond/Travelyan being mirror images of each other, the effects of Britains past actions that pre-Cold War, Bond himself being a relic. They’re all touched on. There’s actually some very gritty, harder edged moments in there that to me wouldn’t feel out of place in LTK - the Captain’s death, the Travelyan/Bond fight at the end, the massacre of Natalya’s co workers. It veers towards outlandish at times in that Bondian way - Onnatop/her way of killing people, the tank chase. But even these have a straightforwardness and harder edge to them than the Glen films (no music gags, much fewer ‘double taking pigeon’ types jokes).

    It’s definitely a ‘new start’ Bond film, even if the idea is it’s about a Bond who’s been around a while. It’s a film that’s trying to hammer home Bond’s relevance in the modern world and that Bond could be a thing in the 90s. I think to call this just a ‘greatest hits’ Bond movie doesn’t do it justice and devalues how well thought out and constructed it is. Definitely, Amazon should look at it, but only if they take the right lessons from it.
  • patbpatb
    edited 3:37pm Posts: 4,651
    top post, agree 100%
  • UnivexUnivex
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    patb wrote: »
    top post, agee 100%
    Hear, hear.
  • patbpatb
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    I know we don't need a full origins story but I would love to see a PTS based around Bond in the SBS (Somali pirates?). It would indicate a new era, show some back story and (like Goldeneye) introduce a character that would appear later on (good or bad guy) that Bond had a clear connection with.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,471
    We might get an origin story if Amazon aggressively pushes for a new and younger audience. That CR was an origin story will not stop them from doing it again.

    I would hope, with whatever they developed, they'd realize that CR was not just about Bond's origin, or Craig's performance...but also Fleming.

    I hope that they don't jump straight to a Goldfinger or Jaws reboot and that they give us something more grounded.

    But I'm not optimistic.
  • UnivexUnivex
    edited 4:02pm Posts: 6,770
    AMAZON, if you’re reading this, the trick is, and always has been, to GO BACK TO FLEMING!
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,286
    007HallY wrote: »
    Apart from being the first post Cold War Bond film, GE marked a new creative point in the series. Several new collaborators came onboard for starters. It looks very different to the 70s/80s Bond movies (cinematography wise it’s very atmospheric with some very dark scenes). It’s breezy in places and ultimately gives us several Bond tropes in various forms (gadgets, a megalomaniac villain, humour) but it’s also a very character focused film and integrates very interesting, thought out ideas -Bond/Travelyan being mirror images of each other, the effects of Britains past actions that pre-Cold War, Bond himself being a relic. They’re all touched on. There’s actually some very gritty, harder edged moments in there that to me wouldn’t feel out of place in LTK - the Captain’s death, the Travelyan/Bond fight at the end, the massacre of Natalya’s co workers. It veers towards outlandish at times in that Bondian way - Onnatop/her way of killing people, the tank chase. But even these have a straightforwardness and harder edge to them than the Glen films (no music gags, much fewer ‘double taking pigeon’ types jokes).

    It’s definitely a ‘new start’ Bond film, even if the idea is it’s about a Bond who’s been around a while. It’s a film that’s trying to hammer home Bond’s relevance in the modern world and that Bond could be a thing in the 90s. I think to call this just a ‘greatest hits’ Bond movie doesn’t do it justice and devalues how well thought out and constructed it is. Definitely, Amazon should look at it, but only if they take the right lessons from it.

    So well put as always @007HallY
  • bondywondybondywondy Uk
    edited 4:13pm Posts: 453
    My prediction is

    Bond 26 in 2027/28. Co-written and directed by Christopher Nolan. It's the ideal opportunity for Nolan to reinvent Bond. If he's not under contract with Universal studio he can make himself available.

    Amazon might win some goodwill from the fans going with Nolan. Many Bond fans are probably expecting Amazon to crash and burn the franchise so Amazon hiring Nolan (even if there are other good choices for director out there) would be a good way to get many fans on Amazon's side.

    Who knows, maybe Amazon have Nolan as their number one choice as director. 😉 Nolan’s style of film making may not lead to a massive departure from the Craig era. That might be one reason why Amazon may prefer a different director. Ideally, Amazon want to reboot/remake Bond in their style, not copy Eon's Craig era. Bond 26 doesn't need to be Skyfall part 2.
  • dewiparrydewiparry
    Posts: 16
    A Bond film set in the 90s. Did someone say that?!
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