Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Posts: 45
    Oh! I would have really really loved Lashana Lynch to have the role, I mean officially. She was easily my favorite part of No Time To Die. Absolutely nailed it.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I don't really know a lot about Cuaron as a director, what would he bring to Bond?

    He almost directed TWINE. I think he would have made it a little less family soap-opera like.

    I didn't know that. What would a Cuaron Bond film look like do you think? I'm not familiar with his films
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I don't really know a lot about Cuaron as a director, what would he bring to Bond?

    He almost directed TWINE. I think he would have made it a little less family soap-opera like.

    I didn't know that. What would a Cuaron Bond film look like do you think? I'm not familiar with his films

    @Jordo007 Check out Gravity. It's a 2013 space thriller film by him.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    I absolutely loved Gravity, but it is centered around 1 (or 2) actors and is too peculiar and really heavy on CGI to be a good reference for an action thriller. What about Roma and Children of Men? Are they an indication that Cuarón is a good fit for the job?
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    Children of Men is a great film. Roma’s more of a small indie drama.

    I don’t think many directors will have films that directly point to their Bond vision (short of doing a film like Bond/a very specific type of action or thriller). We can only look at Cuaron’s strengths as a filmmaker, and he certainly has many. It’s another thing altogether seeing what he’ll bring to this specific film.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    zebrafish wrote: »
    I absolutely loved Gravity, but it is centered around 1 (or 2) actors and is too peculiar and really heavy on CGI to be a good reference for an action thriller. What about Roma and Children of Men? Are they an indication that Cuarón is a good fit for the job?

    Yes. Children Of Men is another good one. Also, I'm not saying he's going to do a Harry Potter on James Bond, but the way he made The Prisoner Of Azkaban a serious and complex Potter film than other Potter films, means he can make James Bond impressive.
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    He did a great job with Harry Potter and gave it a slightly darker, more mature tone. That film has a confusing script (which isn’t to do with him) and I don’t like Harry Potter in general, but I can’t fault the direction.
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    I can imagine Cuarón making a Craig movie. Whether that's good or bad, only time will tell.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    If people think Skyfall was a step up in cinematography then they ain't seen nothing yet...

  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    I saw ROMA at a Netflix screening in a theater and it was a moving and beautiful experience. Cuaron is maybe one of the first directors I knew the name of, because of Harry Potter and how he made such a big impact on the direction of those films. I'd be ecstatic to see him do Bond.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    I saw ROMA at a Netflix screening in a theater and it was a moving and beautiful experience. Cuaron is maybe one of the first directors I knew the name of, because of Harry Potter and how he made such a big impact on the direction of those films. I'd be ecstatic to see him do Bond.

    You're right the passion for cinema shows in every frame of AZKABAN. Cuaron said he went about it by serving the material rather than any particular vision of his own, the I would love to see him give that kind of approach to Bond.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Although, what I learnt from NTTD is, a director can really know his job, but doesn't know how to make a Bond film feel like a Bond film. If it ends up being Cuaron, I hope he understands this and give it a Bondian feel, along with his own style.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Although, what I learnt from NTTD is, a director can know his job, but doesn't know how to make a Bond film feel like a Bond film. If it ends up being Cuaron, I hope he understands this.

    Well, we know EON thinks he does, because they asked him to signed on the dotted line before in the past.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Although, what I learnt from NTTD is, a director can know his job, but doesn't know how to make a Bond film feel like a Bond film. If it ends up being Cuaron, I hope he understands this.

    Well, we know EON thinks he does, because they asked him to signed on the dotted line before in the past.

    Yeah. I really hope so. But you could argue that EON thought Fukunaga had the Bond feel, but he clearly didn't. But yeah, I have no doubt about Cuaron's skills and I would have much preferred him to Apted for TWINE. But it's always an added advantage for a director to understand James Bond. Like those Bondian moments where he does extraordinary things. What I like about James Bond is, he poses with a gun in the posters, but the action and moments aren't just about guns, but inventive stuffs. I think apart from the Matera sequence, NTTD lacked those moments a lot.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Although, what I learnt from NTTD is, a director can know his job, but doesn't know how to make a Bond film feel like a Bond film. If it ends up being Cuaron, I hope he understands this.

    Well, we know EON thinks he does, because they asked him to signed on the dotted line before in the past.

    Yeah. I really hope so. But you could argue that EON thought Fukunaga had the Bond feel, but he clearly didn't. But yeah, I have no doubt about Cuaron's skills and I would have much preferred him to Apted for TWINE. But it's always an added advantage for a director to understand James Bond. Like those Bondian moments where he does extraordinary things. What I like about James Bond is, he poses with a gun in the posters, but the action and moments aren't just about guns, but inventive stuffs. I think apart from the Matera sequence, NTTD lacked those moments a lot.

    In Fukunaga’s defense, he had to replace a director. Above all though, he basically co-direct with a star who openly said that he really didn’t know how to direct or write. So, while we don’t know if Fukunaga will ever be considered again, he arguably deserves more of a clean slate next time around.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Although, what I learnt from NTTD is, a director can know his job, but doesn't know how to make a Bond film feel like a Bond film. If it ends up being Cuaron, I hope he understands this.

    Well, we know EON thinks he does, because they asked him to signed on the dotted line before in the past.

    Yeah. I really hope so. But you could argue that EON thought Fukunaga had the Bond feel, but he clearly didn't. But yeah, I have no doubt about Cuaron's skills and I would have much preferred him to Apted for TWINE. But it's always an added advantage for a director to understand James Bond. Like those Bondian moments where he does extraordinary things. What I like about James Bond is, he poses with a gun in the posters, but the action and moments aren't just about guns, but inventive stuffs. I think apart from the Matera sequence, NTTD lacked those moments a lot.

    Above all though, he basically co-direct with a star who openly said that he really didn’t know how to direct or write.

    What do you mean?
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited March 24 Posts: 2,382
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Although, what I learnt from NTTD is, a director can know his job, but doesn't know how to make a Bond film feel like a Bond film. If it ends up being Cuaron, I hope he understands this.

    Well, we know EON thinks he does, because they asked him to signed on the dotted line before in the past.

    Yeah. I really hope so. But you could argue that EON thought Fukunaga had the Bond feel, but he clearly didn't. But yeah, I have no doubt about Cuaron's skills and I would have much preferred him to Apted for TWINE. But it's always an added advantage for a director to understand James Bond. Like those Bondian moments where he does extraordinary things. What I like about James Bond is, he poses with a gun in the posters, but the action and moments aren't just about guns, but inventive stuffs. I think apart from the Matera sequence, NTTD lacked those moments a lot.

    In Fukunaga’s defense, he had to replace a director. Above all though, he basically co-direct with a star who openly said that he really didn’t know how to direct or write. So, while we don’t know if Fukunaga will ever be considered again, he arguably deserves more of a clean slate next time around.

    Yeah, but I think it isn't entirely about the script, though. We can see that Spectre with all its script problems, feels like a Bond film. In the Cuba sequence for example, I don't think the script stopped Fukunaga from allowing Bond do something inventive than just firing a machine gun or the Norway forest sequence which showcases a beautiful shot of the cars and bikes flying in the air, but apart from that...it's just Bond using his car to hit other vehicles.
    Even QoS had Bond handing upside down from a rope and trying to reach for his gun before Mitchell does. The plane sequence, the way Bond escapes the hotel. Even the car chase had Bond driving with one door.
    But I'm not saying directors should just make Bond films and not worry about the script. But I mean at the very least, let Bond do something inventive.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Although, what I learnt from NTTD is, a director can know his job, but doesn't know how to make a Bond film feel like a Bond film. If it ends up being Cuaron, I hope he understands this.

    Well, we know EON thinks he does, because they asked him to signed on the dotted line before in the past.

    Yeah. I really hope so. But you could argue that EON thought Fukunaga had the Bond feel, but he clearly didn't. But yeah, I have no doubt about Cuaron's skills and I would have much preferred him to Apted for TWINE. But it's always an added advantage for a director to understand James Bond. Like those Bondian moments where he does extraordinary things. What I like about James Bond is, he poses with a gun in the posters, but the action and moments aren't just about guns, but inventive stuffs. I think apart from the Matera sequence, NTTD lacked those moments a lot.

    Above all though, he basically co-direct with a star who openly said that he really didn’t know how to direct or write.

    What do you mean?

    In The Making of NTTD book, several people said that DC basically directed some scenes. Namely the Blofeld prison scene. Phoebe Waller-Bridge wrote that scene alone, apparently.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited March 24 Posts: 8,443
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Although, what I learnt from NTTD is, a director can know his job, but doesn't know how to make a Bond film feel like a Bond film. If it ends up being Cuaron, I hope he understands this.

    Well, we know EON thinks he does, because they asked him to signed on the dotted line before in the past.

    Yeah. I really hope so. But you could argue that EON thought Fukunaga had the Bond feel, but he clearly didn't. But yeah, I have no doubt about Cuaron's skills and I would have much preferred him to Apted for TWINE. But it's always an added advantage for a director to understand James Bond. Like those Bondian moments where he does extraordinary things. What I like about James Bond is, he poses with a gun in the posters, but the action and moments aren't just about guns, but inventive stuffs. I think apart from the Matera sequence, NTTD lacked those moments a lot.

    Above all though, he basically co-direct with a star who openly said that he really didn’t know how to direct or write.

    What do you mean?

    In The Making of NTTD book, several people said that DC basically directed some scenes. Namely the Blofeld prison scene. Phoebe Waller-Bridge wrote that scene alone, apparently.

    No matter who directed, I loathe that sequence, how it’s written, how it’s acted, everything.
  • talos7 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Although, what I learnt from NTTD is, a director can know his job, but doesn't know how to make a Bond film feel like a Bond film. If it ends up being Cuaron, I hope he understands this.

    Well, we know EON thinks he does, because they asked him to signed on the dotted line before in the past.

    Yeah. I really hope so. But you could argue that EON thought Fukunaga had the Bond feel, but he clearly didn't. But yeah, I have no doubt about Cuaron's skills and I would have much preferred him to Apted for TWINE. But it's always an added advantage for a director to understand James Bond. Like those Bondian moments where he does extraordinary things. What I like about James Bond is, he poses with a gun in the posters, but the action and moments aren't just about guns, but inventive stuffs. I think apart from the Matera sequence, NTTD lacked those moments a lot.

    Above all though, he basically co-direct with a star who openly said that he really didn’t know how to direct or write.

    What do you mean?

    In The Making of NTTD book, several people said that DC basically directed some scenes. Namely the Blofeld prison scene. Phoebe Waller-Bridge wrote that scene alone, apparently.

    No who directed, I loathe that sequence, how it’s written, how it’s acted, everything.

    Same here.
  • edited March 24 Posts: 2,222
    talos7 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Although, what I learnt from NTTD is, a director can know his job, but doesn't know how to make a Bond film feel like a Bond film. If it ends up being Cuaron, I hope he understands this.

    Well, we know EON thinks he does, because they asked him to signed on the dotted line before in the past.

    Yeah. I really hope so. But you could argue that EON thought Fukunaga had the Bond feel, but he clearly didn't. But yeah, I have no doubt about Cuaron's skills and I would have much preferred him to Apted for TWINE. But it's always an added advantage for a director to understand James Bond. Like those Bondian moments where he does extraordinary things. What I like about James Bond is, he poses with a gun in the posters, but the action and moments aren't just about guns, but inventive stuffs. I think apart from the Matera sequence, NTTD lacked those moments a lot.

    Above all though, he basically co-direct with a star who openly said that he really didn’t know how to direct or write.

    What do you mean?

    In The Making of NTTD book, several people said that DC basically directed some scenes. Namely the Blofeld prison scene. Phoebe Waller-Bridge wrote that scene alone, apparently.

    No who directed, I loathe that sequence, how it’s written, how it’s acted, everything.

    Same here.

    As per the book:

    "Daniel had a lot of ideas for the first two monologues of that scene" says Fukunaga. "I think there were some things Bond wanted to say to Blofeld that did quite come out in the last film. Phoebe and I went through and edited it, but the bones of it are what Daniel wanted".

    Fukunaga is pictured on the set with Waltz in the book, so I dont think DC directed the scenes per say.

    FWIW I dont like the sequence, Craig's weird hand movements and overacting (yes I know we are aware of the heracles on his hands we dont need hitting over the head with it), and the dialogue isnt great nor the delivery of it. Cuckoo.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Mallory wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Although, what I learnt from NTTD is, a director can know his job, but doesn't know how to make a Bond film feel like a Bond film. If it ends up being Cuaron, I hope he understands this.

    Well, we know EON thinks he does, because they asked him to signed on the dotted line before in the past.

    Yeah. I really hope so. But you could argue that EON thought Fukunaga had the Bond feel, but he clearly didn't. But yeah, I have no doubt about Cuaron's skills and I would have much preferred him to Apted for TWINE. But it's always an added advantage for a director to understand James Bond. Like those Bondian moments where he does extraordinary things. What I like about James Bond is, he poses with a gun in the posters, but the action and moments aren't just about guns, but inventive stuffs. I think apart from the Matera sequence, NTTD lacked those moments a lot.

    Above all though, he basically co-direct with a star who openly said that he really didn’t know how to direct or write.

    What do you mean?

    In The Making of NTTD book, several people said that DC basically directed some scenes. Namely the Blofeld prison scene. Phoebe Waller-Bridge wrote that scene alone, apparently.

    No who directed, I loathe that sequence, how it’s written, how it’s acted, everything.

    Same here.

    As per the book:

    "Daniel had a lot of ideas for the first two monologues of that scene" says Fukunaga. "I think there were some things Bond wanted to say to Blofeld that did quite come out in the last film. Phoebe and I went through and edited it, but the bones of it are what Daniel wanted".

    Fukunaga is pictured on the set with Waltz in the book, so I dont think DC directed the scenes per say.

    FWIW I dont like the sequence, Craig's weird hand movements and overacting (yes I know we are aware of the heracles on his hands we dont need hitting over the head with it), and the dialogue isnt great nor the delivery of it. Cuckoo.

    As I said before and paraphrased from the book: Co-directed.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    talos7 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Although, what I learnt from NTTD is, a director can know his job, but doesn't know how to make a Bond film feel like a Bond film. If it ends up being Cuaron, I hope he understands this.

    Well, we know EON thinks he does, because they asked him to signed on the dotted line before in the past.

    Yeah. I really hope so. But you could argue that EON thought Fukunaga had the Bond feel, but he clearly didn't. But yeah, I have no doubt about Cuaron's skills and I would have much preferred him to Apted for TWINE. But it's always an added advantage for a director to understand James Bond. Like those Bondian moments where he does extraordinary things. What I like about James Bond is, he poses with a gun in the posters, but the action and moments aren't just about guns, but inventive stuffs. I think apart from the Matera sequence, NTTD lacked those moments a lot.

    Above all though, he basically co-direct with a star who openly said that he really didn’t know how to direct or write.

    What do you mean?

    In The Making of NTTD book, several people said that DC basically directed some scenes. Namely the Blofeld prison scene. Phoebe Waller-Bridge wrote that scene alone, apparently.

    No matter who directed, I loathe that sequence, how it’s written, how it’s acted, everything.

    I agree and I hated how Blofeld was handled as a second rate baddie who gets bamboozled and wiped out by another more competent villain. The one thing we know about Blofeld is he is the ultimate mastermind. He's supposed to be the one pull other people's strings, not the opposite.
  • I really didn’t like the “Die Blofeld Die” line and its delivery. I understand it’s lifted from Fleming but in hindsight it doesn’t really work in its execution imo.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I really didn’t like the “Die Blofeld Die” line and its delivery. I understand it’s lifted from Fleming but in hindsight it doesn’t really work in its execution imo.

    Yeah. A lot of things felt forced in NTTD. If NTTD were a standalone Bond film, the filmmaking would have been more relaxed. Too much focus on fixing loose ends, than focusing completely on the present story at hand.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Mallory wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Although, what I learnt from NTTD is, a director can know his job, but doesn't know how to make a Bond film feel like a Bond film. If it ends up being Cuaron, I hope he understands this.

    Well, we know EON thinks he does, because they asked him to signed on the dotted line before in the past.

    Yeah. I really hope so. But you could argue that EON thought Fukunaga had the Bond feel, but he clearly didn't. But yeah, I have no doubt about Cuaron's skills and I would have much preferred him to Apted for TWINE. But it's always an added advantage for a director to understand James Bond. Like those Bondian moments where he does extraordinary things. What I like about James Bond is, he poses with a gun in the posters, but the action and moments aren't just about guns, but inventive stuffs. I think apart from the Matera sequence, NTTD lacked those moments a lot.

    Above all though, he basically co-direct with a star who openly said that he really didn’t know how to direct or write.

    What do you mean?

    In The Making of NTTD book, several people said that DC basically directed some scenes. Namely the Blofeld prison scene. Phoebe Waller-Bridge wrote that scene alone, apparently.

    No who directed, I loathe that sequence, how it’s written, how it’s acted, everything.

    Same here.

    As per the book:

    "Daniel had a lot of ideas for the first two monologues of that scene" says Fukunaga. "I think there were some things Bond wanted to say to Blofeld that did quite come out in the last film. Phoebe and I went through and edited it, but the bones of it are what Daniel wanted".

    Fukunaga is pictured on the set with Waltz in the book, so I dont think DC directed the scenes per say.

    FWIW I dont like the sequence, Craig's weird hand movements and overacting (yes I know we are aware of the heracles on his hands we dont need hitting over the head with it), and the dialogue isnt great nor the delivery of it. Cuckoo.

    It doesn't sound like he directed or co-directed scenes from that.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I really didn’t like the “Die Blofeld Die” line and its delivery. I understand it’s lifted from Fleming but in hindsight it doesn’t really work in its execution imo.

    Yeah. A lot of things felt forced in NTTD. If NTTD were a standalone Bond film, the filmmaking would have been more relaxed. Too much focus on fixing loose ends, than focusing completely on the present story at hand.

    Count me in with your opinions. Hopefully, Amazon will learn from EON’s mistakes. Namely in the writing department.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I really didn’t like the “Die Blofeld Die” line and its delivery. I understand it’s lifted from Fleming but in hindsight it doesn’t really work in its execution imo.

    Yeah. A lot of things felt forced in NTTD. If NTTD were a standalone Bond film, the filmmaking would have been more relaxed. Too much focus on fixing loose ends, than focusing completely on the present story at hand.

    Count me in with your opinions. Hopefully, Amazon will learn from EON’s mistakes. Namely in the writing department.

    Yeah. The writing, though. That needs intense focus now.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Cuarón's appointment pleased J. K. Rowling, who loved his film Y tu mamá también (2001) and was impressed with his adaptation of A Little Princess (1995).[54] Heyman found that "tonally and stylistically, [Cuarón] was the perfect fit."[9] As his first exercise with the actors who portray the central trio, Cuarón assigned Radcliffe, Grint and Watson to write an autobiographical essay about their character, written in the first person, spanning birth to the discovery of the magical world, and including the character's emotional experience. Cuarón recalls, "Emma's essay was 10 pages long. Daniel's was exactly two. Rupert didn't deliver the essay. When I questioned why he didn't do it, he said, 'I'm Ron; Ron wouldn't do it.'[55] So I said, 'Okay, you do understand your character.' That was the most important piece of acting work that we did on Prisoner of Azkaban, because it was very clear that everything they put in those essays was going to be the pillars they were going to hold on to for the rest of the process."

    Pulled from Wiki, I wonder if Cuaron would make a Bond actor do a first-person summary of Bond's life, lol.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    In that prison scene, Craig gesticulates more than Mark Kermode. That scene was so bad, it's etched into my memory. I'm convinced that Craig had forgotten how to play his Bond (either that or there is a deleted scene where Bond has a personality transplant).
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