Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    echo wrote: »
    If they want to do a loose LALD remake, which would require a lot of changes, they should set it in Africa where most of the cast would obviously be black.

    I’d be ok with a LALD remake, but updated to modern times. Too bad LTK took a lot of the book’s best parts.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    If they want to do a loose LALD remake, which would require a lot of changes, they should set it in Africa where most of the cast would obviously be black.

    I’d be ok with a LALD remake, but updated to modern times. Too bad LTK took a lot of the book’s best parts.

    FYEO nicked a great scene too.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited October 2021 Posts: 1,165
    Ignoring the aspects various Bond movies have already mined, I’d love to see a new adaptation of LALD deep dive even further into the idea of Bond infiltrating a voodoo cult than Fleming ever took it.
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    Minion wrote: »
    Ignoring the aspects various Bond movies have already mined, I’d love to see a new adaptation of LALD deep dive even further into the idea of Bond infiltrating a voodoo cult than Fleming ever took it.

    Now there is something we can both agree on.

    Peace. B-)
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 3,333
    mtm wrote: »
    Where are you getting those figures? Everywhere I look CR made nearly $200million more than DAD; about £130million more inflation adjusted.
    CR Domestic: $167,365,000 DAD Domestic: $160,942,139
    Yep, I looked at the wrong movie's Worldwide BO and the difference was roughly $162 million more, so a mistake on my part. =D>
    https://the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/James-Bond#tab=summary
    mtm wrote: »
    Gary Oldman was in the Bale films: my point was that if he appeared in this new one I don't think anyone would get too puzzled- those who remember him in Bale films will have already read up on this film and know it's a reboot, pretty much everyone else will have forgotten he was in the old ones (like yourself, apparently! :) ).
    But Gary Oldman doesn't appear in the new movie. It's Jeffrey Wright playing Gordon. We also don't know whether The Batman will be a huge B.O. success yet.

    I do think these Batman comparisons are misleading as none of the previous directors, writers have killed Batman off at the end of a movie, to then bring him straight back.
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    echo wrote: »
    If they want to do a loose LALD remake, which would require a lot of changes, they should set it in Africa where most of the cast would obviously be black.


    Why LALD? There are at least a handfull of films I would remake before that one. If remaking films is a good idea at all.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2021 Posts: 16,413
    bondsum wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Where are you getting those figures? Everywhere I look CR made nearly $200million more than DAD; about £130million more inflation adjusted.
    CR Domestic: $167,365,000 DAD Domestic: $160,942,139
    Yep, I looked at the wrong movie's Worldwide BO and the difference was roughly $162 million more, so a mistake on my part. =D>

    No worries :)
    bondsum wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Gary Oldman was in the Bale films: my point was that if he appeared in this new one I don't think anyone would get too puzzled- those who remember him in Bale films will have already read up on this film and know it's a reboot, pretty much everyone else will have forgotten he was in the old ones (like yourself, apparently! :) ).
    But Gary Oldman doesn't appear in the new movie. It's Jeffrey Wright playing Gordon.

    Yes, I said 'if'. It was a hypothetical debating point.
    bondsum wrote: »
    I do think these Batman comparisons are misleading as none of the previous directors, writers have killed Batman off at the end of a movie, to then bring him straight back.

    Well they've come very close to killing him, and provided a definite end to his story (I don't quite want to spoil anyone!), and then he was back in another movie four years later which was produced/exec produced by the same people (Charles Roven, Emma Thomas, Michael E Uslan..), and David S Goyer had a writing credit on both. So it's a pretty good example, I'd say.
  • StarkStark France
    edited October 2021 Posts: 177
    Let's stop with the remakes, the usual formula and the outrageous fanservice to recall the previous films... I want originality, a film with identity that will remain a timeless classic like Connery's first films. I want Villeneuve, Boyle or another director with a strong identity for the next films.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah, I must say I think I'd quite like a totally fresh route now without bringing back the old cars and sets and baddies.
    New takes on everything, from the gunbarrel to M's office- I think that's what I'd like now.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah, I must say I think I'd quite like a totally fresh route now without bringing back the old cars and sets and baddies.
    New takes on everything, from the gunbarrel to M's office- I think that's what I'd like now.

    +1 keep it familiar but push it forwards again.

    The latter half of Daniel's era relied too heavily on the iconography of the series, which at times felt jarring for a reboot
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah, and I did enjoy it, don't get me wrong: it just doesn't feel like it's the way ahead- and you can't keep bringing back the old stuff with every new Bond.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah, and I did enjoy it, don't get me wrong: it just doesn't feel like it's the way ahead- and you can't keep bringing back the old stuff with every new Bond.

    Exactly. Although I'm all for continuing traditions, there's ways to do it and bring something new to the table. Bond really doesn't need an Aston Martin in every film and he doesn't need to order a martini in every film. Bond does enjoy other beverages.
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    I said before they need to go back to stand alone Bond films. Not only do they need to do that but I think we are ready to go back to fantasy Bond films. With Marvel and fantasy movies being so hot right now I think its time we go back to fantasy adventure Bond films. Don't go over a cliff like they did with Die Another Day that lead us to Casino Royale, but more in the vines of Goldeneye and TWINE.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited October 2021 Posts: 693
    slide_99 wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    slide_99 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Answer: continuity doesn't matter all that much in the end.
    No, but killing a pop culture icon in any incarnation does matter, regardless of continuities and timelines. And I hate that even have to deal with comic book-style "timelines" now.
    To the run risk of falling into a conversation you may have already had, how was the Craig-era not a "comic-book timeline" before this?

    My point was that, apart from the brief deviation with YOLT>OHMSS>DAF, where the series kind of branches off with OHMSS and then comes back together with DAF, there wasn't any issue with timelines either way. Bond was just always there, like an absolute. Quibbling over continuities wasn't an issue. Now it is. I just find it really annoying.

    I think the main thing was all the Bond films before Craig were stand alone films. The storyline didn't continue into the next film (despite the brief nods to OHMSS in FYEO and LTK).

    Not that I have anything against continuing a story onto the next film, as long as its been mapped out that way beforehand. It's clear that watching the arc over the 5 Craig films, this was not defined from the outset in CR.

    I'm guessing the producers may go back to standalone missions again for the next actor, but who knows.

    Agreed, if they want a strict continuity they have to have the major plot beats mapped out beforehand. It's not an accident that the best-liked Craig films were CR and SF, the ones that most stand on their own, while QOS and SP are not that well-liked.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Stark wrote: »
    Let's stop with the remakes, the usual formula and the outrageous fanservice to recall the previous films... I want originality, a film with identity that will remain a timeless classic like Connery's first films. I want Villeneuve, Boyle or another director with a strong identity for the next films.

    I agree to put the homages (for the most part; always nice to at least have one underplayed reference) on hold. DN, GF, TB, YOLT, OHMSS, LALD and TSWLM have been particularly milked to death. But "remake" as in taking the novels that were done a disservice (LALD, MR, DAF, YOLT) and giving us a far closer adaptation (with no eye to the earlier films themselves), I'm all for.

    This is where I think they should go too. Back to the novels, but start ditching the references to movies past. No more DB5's, no more nods or references to other Bond flicks, no homages. Make everything seem new and fresh again on the surface, but back to basics by using the decent unused bits from the books (and there is plenty, as I have mentioned several times before).

    And no, this doesn't mean I want to see Bond fight a giant squid or smile at a nodding statue.
  • No comedy Bond thanks.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I definitely want laughs though.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah, I must say I think I'd quite like a totally fresh route now without bringing back the old cars and sets and baddies.
    New takes on everything, from the gunbarrel to M's office- I think that's what I'd like now.
    I agree @mtm. I've been having a few words with @RC7 and I agree with him that we now have the cleanest of clean slates going fowards and that was the producers' true intentions. I'm now going to bow out from posting my constant worries and see what happens going forwards.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 12,837
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah, I must say I think I'd quite like a totally fresh route now without bringing back the old cars and sets and baddies.
    New takes on everything, from the gunbarrel to M's office- I think that's what I'd like now.

    Same. I’ve loved the last few films but I think it’s time for another GE/CR equivalent, a film that completely reinvents it for a modern audience.

    I’d like to see Bond in an electric car, I think that’d be a cool way of modernising things a bit. But to stay in keeping with character, maybe he doesn’t take it at first? He could get offered an electric Aston with all the usual bells and whistles. Gets in, switches it on, hates the sound, gets out and tosses the keys back to Q. Takes his own vintage Aston (not one that’s been in a film before; maybe one of those big, beefy 90s ones?) instead. Wrecks it in a chase, and after finally being forced to use the electric model for some later setpiece, he could decide it isn’t so bad after all.

    I think the office definitely needs updating too. The current one was a great bit of fanservice at the end of SF, but I think it does look quite stately and old fashioned. Might be time for something more modern again. And can we move MI6 back to vauxhall cross too? I liked having that real world reference point.
    And no, this doesn't mean I want to see Bond fight a giant squid or smile at a nodding statue.

    I’d love to see the whole obstacle course adapted properly, giant squid included. If they wanted to go a bit more surreal and OTT next time then I think that could be great.
    Minion wrote: »
    Ignoring the aspects various Bond movies have already mined, I’d love to see a new adaptation of LALD deep dive even further into the idea of Bond infiltrating a voodoo cult than Fleming ever took it.

    I think voodoo specifically might feel a bit derivative of LALD, but Bond vs some creepy cult could be very cool. I loved the bits in NTTD that tapped into horror, and it’d be fun to have another Bond film that flirted with the supernatural like that.
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    I’d love to see the whole obstacle course adapted properly, giant squid included. If they wanted to go a bit more surreal and OTT next time then I think that could be great.

    Well well well. It seems the giant squid is more popular than I thought. Quite a few on here like it more than I realised.

    I guess it depends on how it is executed. If it's not done obvious CGI tacky, it could work well, particularly as part of the nightmare obstacle course, as you said.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I have an existing thread detailing how much Fleming is actually used in each film. I have not updated it for NTTD, which I had anticipated would take a lot from YOLT. Sadly, the references are mainly only token uses of terms, basic concepts and snatches of dialogue, rather anything substantive from the actual novel: The Garden of Death, "Die, Blofeld, Die", Bond's unknown progeny, Bond's "Death".

    https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/8785/which-film-adaptations-are-the-most-faithful-to-the-fleming-novel-or-short-story/p1

    I still say The Garden of Death would make for a great bond title along with Slay it with flowers

    Perhaps and agriculture themed trilogy

    Slay it with Flowers 2023
    Never send Flowers 2025
    The Garden of Death 2027

    then again probably not ;)
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    I’d love to see the whole obstacle course adapted properly, giant squid included. If they wanted to go a bit more surreal and OTT next time then I think that could be great.

    Well well well. It seems the giant squid is more popular than I thought. Quite a few on here like it more than I realised.

    I guess it depends on how it is executed. If it's not done obvious CGI tacky, it could work well, particularly as part of the nightmare obstacle course, as you said.

    Bond looking at the giant squid ;)

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    =))
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    Sorry if mentioned before but I miss a single, iconic, set piece stunt that the movie will be remembered for in years to come. TSWLM, GE, etc (we know "you know who" may have cornered the marked) but Bond should not give up in this area IMHO.
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    patb wrote: »
    Sorry if mentioned before but I miss a single, iconic, set piece stunt that the movie will be remembered for in years to come. TSWLM, GE, etc (we know "you know who" may have cornered the marked) but Bond should not give up in this area IMHO.

    Agree with that. It is definitely possible. There are talented people doing spectacular stunts and posting them on YouTube or Instagram. EON should approach some of those. I am sure they would be overjoyed to contribute to a Bond film.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    A few sources mentioning to James Bond Radio that the next Bond maybe set in the 60's. I like JBR, the lads who run it are great.
    Have they got a good history for exclusives?
  • Jordo007 wrote: »
    A few sources mentioning to James Bond Radio that the next Bond maybe set in the 60's. I like JBR, the lads who run it are great.
    Have they got a good history for exclusives?

    I can’t see a period piece ever happening because of how much they make from product placement. And that’s probably for the best imo. It’d never feel as authentic as the Bond films we have from that decade (even if they nailed the tailoring, sets, etc, it’d still be written with modern attitudes and dialogue), and I like Bond always moving forwards. I think that’s a big part of why it’s endured.

    If they wanted to go a bit more old school though, then why not use the “new cold war”? China’s probably off the table because they’ll need the box office, but Russian villains could be cool. I always found SMERSH much more intimidating than SPECTRE in the novels. Those passages in Russia in FRWL are just dripping with atmosphere and menace, and the films have never really dared go there.

    Could be feel topical and relevant too, with cyber attacks and Russian interference in elections and everything. I wonder if that’s what Danny Boyle wanted to do with his Russian villains? I was really happy with Fugunaka’s work on NTTD, but I’d still love to see what Hodge and Boyle could do with Bond. It seems like the creative differences were down to how to finish Craig’s story, so maybe they’d be more suited to a reboot.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Yeah good thinking on the product placement mate, that hasn't occurred to me.
    I personally wouldn't want a 60's era Bond again because that will always been Sean Connery

    I must admit I am nervous with the future of the series, because the world has changed so much in the last few years, I can see the producers changing fundamental parts of the character to appease modern sensibilities. I hope they hold their nerve, like they did brilliantly with keeping NTTD in cinemas. Time will tell
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    The producers have always been very vocal about how they want Bond to reflect on current, up to date problems and threats. I would be very surprised if they suddenly backtracked on that. Many have argued that one pf the keys to Bond's longevity is that he exists in the modern world and is an idea of a hero society currently needs.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
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    The film starts with a Polaroid photograph of a dead man. As the sequence plays backward, the photo reverts to its undeveloped state, entering the camera before the man is shot in the head. The film then continues, alternating between black-and-white and colour sequences.

    The black-and-white sequences begin with James Bond, a former secret agent, in a motel room speaking to an unseen and unknown caller. James has anterograde amnesia and is unable to store recent memories, the result of an attack by missiles...
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