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so bond "died" twice in the books From Russia with Love and You Only Live Twice looking at the books that came after
If you combine unused elements of The Man with the golden Gun and Dr. No you have a prety good film that does pick up on certain trends in Disney and Marvel...
what do I mean
PTS Bond (I am picturing Cavill but you can insert whoever you want) is brainwashed to Kill M he is almost successful as the title sequence happens
titles
Bond after being deprogramed only remembers two things about the people who brainwashed him
the word Risico and the name Mark Hazard (who will be used as the villain name instead of Scaramaga which I don't think should be reused)
the rest of the film is Bond's redemption story after being the "villain" of the pts this jumps into 2 big trends
1. Movies about well known villains getting redemption Cruella, Wicked, etc
2. Brainwashed characters seeking redemption (Winter soldier, Jason Bourne, etc)
The eco plot of Doctor No could be added in and updated from Guano Mine to a recycling tycoon (shades of Carte Blanche)
Sorry for being this uncompromisingly blunt, but honestly I can't help it. And, yes, feel free to sue me for not treating all of Fleming's ideas as genius, religious gospel...
I don't know about the brainwashing part, but the general idea of MI6 not knowing whether this guy actually is Bond or not and him having to go through several layers of security before he gets to Moneypenny and into M's office is almost too perfect as an introduction for a new actor.
I think the way the opening of TMWTGG takes us on a tour of the outer layers of MI6 with the Soft Man and the Hard Man and all that is pretty cool. It couldn't be exactly the same in modern times of course (and at the end of the day you'd need an idea how they could possibly not recognize him and where he has been and everything), but it's still doable. The whole idea of how the way the Russians make up Bond being a bit too "stage Bond" for Tanner's liking is also very fun, I think and hamming up to ultra-cliché Bond for the PTS before settling into a more realistic portayal could be a fantastic opening.
But I also have a weird sense of humour...
Oh everyone is entitled to their Opinion and again I don't take it personally because you aren't complaining about me but about Fleming so I don't take it personally..
Again my issue with just a reboot is well we saw it in 2006. I don't want Bond Begins again. I just Want being Bond to be bond and the hook of Bond finding out who brainwashed him and why might be a bit to dark for a first film but it quickly reintroduces us to the world of 007.
and the more I think of it the more I love the idea which means like Yes doing the theme and Hilary duff as a bond girl it won't happen ever. so everyone can relax
Each to their own. I personally love the idea, and have been wanting to see this adapted on screen for years, but then again, I love TMWTGG novel (yes, even the opening).
How much can I sue you for...? $-)
Yeah I tend to agree, that plot is like something from Man From Uncle rather than Bond. As you say, just because it’s Fleming it doesn’t mean it’s good.
the more I think about it the more I realize something is definitely there and yes it's EON jumping on trend of Disney and Marvel but so what.
The issue is a friend of mine pointed out that it's way too small fries for 007 today (though I countered a low budget thriller is where Bond should go)
so now I am thinking how do I take this brainwashing element and really expand it to a 2 hour film?
Obviously I want to go back to Fleming but what if Bond wasn't the only one brainwashed?
a second 00 agent being Brainwashed but not activated could bring in a ticking clock and really explore Bond and his world in a unique way.
Which he said all I am doing is adding a ticking clock to it..
everyone can say I am wrong an that's fine but this could really subvert expectations and most actors would kill for this because you have to not only play 007 but Evil 007 and a James Bond who is unsure of what is real like was he really deprogrammed etc.
there is a lot here to unpack and people who are better then me (I am sadly an ideas man I want to be a writer but I lack the discipline)
It would be different and shocking but man I would be thrilled.
Although there’s still no sign of any ‘B26 ltd’ style companies on Companies House with Broccoli, Pope or Roebuck as directors, and they’ve usually opened a limited company for the next film by now.
Us hardcore Bond fans knew it's not the end, but the casual audience or fans may think it was over! My parents and a friend of mine messaged me after watching and they thought it was the end of the Bond series.. had to explain a new actor will be picked and it will reboot..
It tells me there will be some confusion, but (as almost always is the case with fears of "confusing" the audience) if the new film is well made and exciting the general audiences won't care. Confusion, continuity, inconsistencies, etc...studios and hardcore fans obsess on that stuff. Your general audience is oblivious until the next installment, and will judge it on that experience.
That's not how lawsuits work, man. You don't ask "how much do you want me to sue you for?" ;))
On a more serious note though, I think it is quite obvious that Fleming's genius lay in his compelling writing rather than his creative ideas or plot construction. I find all of his novels very enjoyable because of his incredible ability to make every scene interesting. I don't think all of his books are necessarily great stories though, and the fact that he made an idea work in print doesn't necessarily mean they are great ideas to filmatize.
I think the best intro to the next Bond would be the scene in TSWLM when Bond finally arrives - Viv Michel in a sleazy motel, about to be raped and murdered by 2 nasty gangsters, and then the doorbell rings.
That would make a great PTS, and a superb intro for the next Bond.
Yes, I think that's very well put. The ideas can be wonderfully perverse and unusual at times, but sometimes they can be silly and a bit naff, but his genius is to sweep you along equally with both.
I could see that work, yes
:)) I love how Original Fleming Bond is "more Jack Reacher" than Bond. ;) It's like Robert Downey Jr. losing a Robert Downey Jr. Lookalike Contest.
But I can see what you're saying; that particular Fleming scene is ironically something you'd more expect to find in a Jack Reacher film than a modern Bond film.
Yes, and it provides a few problems. Fleming dedicates a significant chunk of the book to letting us know Viv and her back story which makes us really care for her when the action finally starts rolling. They obviously wouldn't have time for that in a modern Bond film.
Yes, goes without saying that cinematic Bond in the 2020s is substantially different to literary Bond in the late fifties, not least a novel Fleming didn't care much for himself...
I think an apt filmmaker could make us care in a small amount of time.
And yes, I agree, still just thought it was a funny irony.
It's a scene I could imagine from a Tarantino directed Bond flick.
I'm all for gangsters in the next flick. It would be a refreshing change of direction, and you could incorporate loads of unused Spangled Mob stuff from DAF too, plus TMWTGG, which both relied more on the gangster world.
I loved LTK for that reason. Taking Bond out of the spy genre once again, and get away from the OTT outlandish stuff, to a more grounded, violent, edgy gangster thriller - that would be my ideal Bond film.
Hell, it can't be any worse than the soap opera we just witnessed in NTTD. Seeing Bond getting kicked and battered by 2 gangsters wearing football boots, `Brooklyn Stomp' style, as opposed to Bond playing happy families in the kitchen with a daughter in tow - I know what I'd prefer.
That's a bit of a false equivalence though, unless you think there really weren't any scenes of violence in NTTD.
perfect way to introduce Bond
brings something new to the franchise
will have everyone at the edge of their seats
yeah I like it way more then yet another origin story
If I have time I may try nd create fan art for it
That's because Bond started it all. Let's just say Bond 26 opens with an TMWTGG-style brainwashed assassination attempt.
The critics will carp, "Bond copied Bourne again." When in reality, it is the other way 'round. I mean, Ludlum even gave his hero the same initials.
No, no! Sarcasm! It might be the lowest form of wit, but it is the highest form of weaponry!