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AVTAK, did they no for sure this was Rog's last one, you would assume so? But they didn't up the ante at all and didn't make reference to it being a farewell in any promotion.
Dalton's reign obviously ended with a massive gap in the films so that was unfortunate and then Brozzer was assumed to be coming back and then they changed direction.
No actor has had a proper send off, seems like EON have missed a financial trick with this but I'm sure if DC makes one more they will make a big deal out of it being his last!
And "yes" it is an outlandish movie, not cartoonish, as cartoonish would be Bond producing a Tarzan yell swinging through the trees, firing lasers in space, riding a Q-equipped gondola through Venice or fighting a webbed-hand man in a giant submersible called Atlantis in TSWLM, to name but a few of the more "cartoonish" Sir Roger moments. There's also the belief that DAF is the start of the more comedic Bonds, though I'd say there were only ever 2 straight Bond movies to begin with: Dr No and FRWL. Goldfinger was where Bond got more far-fetched and humorous, though I will concede TB drew back a little from this with Terry Young back in the director's chair. YOLT was pretty outlandish, too. It was really only OHMSS that got back to basics. But we know what happened here, don't we, guys?
I remember when Bond first came out on VHS, most people skipped OHMSS back then and went straight to DAF after YOLT. (Not me, of course, I was always a huge OHMSS fan). It's only since the DVD box sets and a new generation of fans that the confusion appears to have arisen about the link from OHMSS to DAF.
As for now, yes. The second another Craig Bond is announced I will change the title :)
DAF was well received but an aging and overweight Connery with a bad fitting dog just underlined the fact that Sean had outgrown the part...
AVTAK ended the Moore era. We were treated to a rehash of GF with a Bond actor who had reached the end of his era and his good looks had faded. It stretched the viewers suspension of belief to believe that this old fart could seduce the likes of Staci Sutton and the beautiful Soviet agent.
DAD is plagued by science fiction, bad dialogue and EON attempting to pay homage for the 40th anniversary. The result: in a word it sucked
SP all indicators point that this is Craig's final film. an enjoyable film but it suffers from having to follow SF. A highly popular film (despite the plot holes)
my two cents for what its worth...
But you're right, @Birdleson, OHMSS is now seen as the proper Bond story and DAF is now seen as the anomaly. I'm not quite sure when that started, because I do recall seeing DAF again at a cinema in '77 (England) and the cinema was packed, almost as much as if it were a new release.
Not true of DAF but still.
In reality, aren't we jumping the gun a tad here?
Craig's imminent departure seems as likely as Waltz playing Blofeld. At this point, I'd be surprised if Craig did return for a fifth; not that I'd be upset if he did, of course.
I heard there was talk that Waltz wasn't returning. Has that been confirmed though?
I see. I've purposely been trying to avoid all the chatter on a possible new Bond etc. as truth be told it really bores me to tears. When there's something concrete it'll pick up my interest again but until then...
Yes the thread's title is a bit assuming.
I will talk to the author of this thread.
Wait...oh...ok, that's myself.
I shall have a word with myself then and see if anything can be done :))
I hated DAF as a kid but enjoy it much more now. I find the others (AVTAK, SP, DAD) subpar. They all are very much in the lower half of my rankings.
AVTAK - In 1985 it felt fresh thanks to the little touches of the credits, Duran Duran and Barry's score. I enjoyed it was sad enough with the news of Moore's permanent departure. Of course these were really hollow gestures to fool us in what was really a stale and repetitive entry. By the time the film was available to buy on VHS I'd realised it is one of my least favourite Bond films. Least favourite Moore alongside LALD.
DAD - Never a fan of Brozza but the trailers for this had me enthused enough. The prospect of a down and out imprisoned Bond at the start then getting cleaned up and embroiled in an outlandish plot could have put it as my favourite post LTK entry. Sadly the cinematic experience only proved how much I still felt uncomfortable with the overall Brosnan era. The audience were laughing uproariously and I just sunk in my seat wishing for a Bond film that took itself more seriously and had the audience gripped. Thank goodness for the impact Bourne Identity would have and the casting of Craig.
SP - As someone whom found QOS to be much better than the critics made out and SF to be distinctly overrated it's no surprise that I don't share in the general consensus on hating this film. Yes it meanders thanks to the script problems and lacks an iconic defining moment or action scene but at the start of the film it's nice to see Craig having fun and being so prominent after being somewhat of a supporting player to Judi Dench in SF. I personally like the film as it becomes more dour like QOS near the end.
Yes the London finale seems rather anti-cliImatic but is just about redeemed by the Westminster bridge scene with Newman's score and the cinematography evoking a wonderful hellish moment. I had thought this would be the second of a trilogy but I appreciate now Craig really has signed off.
LTK is an absolute mess.
But I like it messy, which is why it's my #2 Bond movie!
Super-serious ("Honeymooooon"), super goofy ("I hope you don't snore, Q"), sublimely touching ("He was married once...")- this one has it all, but mostly it has Dalton, breezing his way through it, commanding our attention, and delivering the determined Bond performance of a lifetime. If Barry had done the score it'd be my #1.
In retrospect many connaisseurs consider it to be ahead of its time. Out of all the films listed here LTK doesn't seem to have such a bad name.
DAF, AVTAK and DAD have the problem of an era dragging itself to the end. While I can appreciate the first two, neither have the energy of LTK.
DAD I solely blame on the director, whom to my eyes apparently never understood Bond and found himself playing in a toy store instead of making a film. How else could the director of 'Once Were Worriors' come up with something so rediculous. Imagine hiring a director known for his gritty, realistic films and then find yourself looking at invisible cars....
DAF was perhaps too much the end of an era. Again it's the directing and editing that are the true culprits here, allthough I must say the script isn't strong either. I have a brother too, you know.
Yes, the snobbery has left Bond now. Another casualty of the franchise.
Nevertheless, the stunt doubling and the Paris car chase always bothered me. Still like this film more than a few other of the Moore entries to be honest.
Oh sure it has it's percs, it isn't the best in the franchise, but as you say, certainly not Moore's worst. He allready knew he was getting too old, but Cubby was adamant he should do one more. Well, nobody is perfect ;-) . I agree on both the stunt-doubling ( a direct result of his age) and the car chase. But then again, especially the latter, it was still Moore's era, and he always had some goofy things in it.
@bondjames sure it was a dig at a stereotype, but I find it highly unlikely a hood with such intellect would be send on such a mission. He wouldn't even be able to hold up a lickuor store.... All in all, a too easy joke to make. But then again, DAF isn't really laced with high quality diologue anyway...
You're quite right. Can't complain about Plenty though.. ;-)
Shame.