EON Productions has done a "retcon" on "For Your Eyes Only"!

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  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    it's said that after TB they basically threw away S.P.E.C.T.R.E

    i dont get what you mean exactly by this?.. SPECTRE is mentioned by name by Bond in YOLT and OHMSS..

    moving on...

    as others have said (to which i'll echo) the whole thing with FYEO isn't really a retcon.. by this definition... revise (an aspect of a fictional work) retrospectively, typically by introducing a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events. ...there was no other interpretation of the PTS of FYEO - Bond drops Blofeld down a smoke stack. The only difference, is now 30+ years later they finally own the rights to SPECTRE and Blofeld, so now they can finally legally acknowledge that character...

    but calling the film a SPECTRE film just because of the PTS?.. eh, i don't know about that - i think thats a bit forced - SPECTRE nor Blofeld play any pivotal role to the plot of the film.. they are part of a throw away PTS that was meant to flip the bird to McClory (and Connery) at the time who were off working on NSNA...

    calling FYEO a SPECTRE movie simply because of Blofeld in the PTS would be like calling GF a movie about heroin smuggling because that was featured in the PTS..
  • eddychaputeddychaput Montreal, Canada
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    it's said that after TB they basically threw away S.P.E.C.T.R.E

    i dont get what you mean exactly by this?.. SPECTRE is mentioned by name by Bond in YOLT and OHMSS..

    moving on...

    as others have said (to which i'll echo) the whole thing with FYEO isn't really a retcon.. by this definition... revise (an aspect of a fictional work) retrospectively, typically by introducing a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events. ...there was no other interpretation of the PTS of FYEO - Bond drops Blofeld down a smoke stack. The only difference, is now 30+ years later they finally own the rights to SPECTRE and Blofeld, so now they can finally legally acknowledge that character...

    Is that an official definition of the term "retcon". If so I feel pretty stupid about the comment I posted literally 5 seconds before yours.


  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    DN isn't included?? Really??




    STILL, I've been praying for YEARS that Sony/MGM/EON would think a bit more about the fans, by doing something special with the covers of DVD and BluRay casings. Fans are complaining a lot about the new front covers that are being released in the US. But sjee, we finally get NINE wonderful looking steelbooks!

    if they were to think more about the fans - they would stick to one style of DVD/Blu Ray - instead of reprinting new sets each time a new film comes out..

    if they really wanted to think about the fans, maybe they would've done these steelbook blu rays for the 50th Anniversary, and then just continued on releasing new steelbooks (in similar style) with each new Bond movie that comes out - that way when displayed on a shelf, it all looks nice and orderly... but since i dumped $200 into the 50th Anniversary Box Set, now my collection looks all FUBAR.... but such is life i guess..

    it's not about the fans.. its about $$$$
  • DrShatterhandDrShatterhand Garden of Death, near Belfast
    edited August 2015 Posts: 805
    The only reason FYEO is now being referred to by EON as SPECTRE movie is so that there's a Roger Moore movie in the new Steelbook collection. In reality, we all know that Blofeld was included in the PTS only as an 'up yours' to McClory and his plans to revive him for his planned TB remake. I guess Dr No was left out as there was a limit to the number of titles they wanted to include and the other SC movies probably sell more.
  • Posts: 11,119
    The only reason FYEO is now being referred to by EON as SPECTRE movie is so that there's a Roger Moore movie in the new Steelbook collection. In reality, we all know that Blofeld was included in the PTS only as an 'up yours' to McClory and his plans to revive him for his planned TB remake. I guess Dr No was left out as there was a limit to the number of titles they wanted to include and the other SC movies probably sell more.

    But it's not only just this aspect. Bond also visits Tracy's grave. In a way Blofeld is avenging Bond for what he did to him in "OHMSS": Paraplegics. And seeing 'Blofeld' wear the same neckrest/headrest as he wore in the end of "OHMSS", basically makes "FYEO" a perfect follow-up to "OHMSS"
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @Gustav_Graves

    Well, the PTS of FYEO is the perfect follow-up to OHMSS, the rest not at all.

    What I will do next time, I'll watch that PTS after OHMSS but stop there and view the rest of FYEO when it's time (after MR).
  • Posts: 232
    Does that mean you have to take DAF out of the rotation completely?
  • Posts: 11,119
    trevanian wrote: »
    Does that mean you have to take DAF out of the rotation completely?

    Eeeeh, yes :-P. Sorry, but allthough I liked the PTS of DAF a lot, it was also Guy Hamilton's idea to entirely piss on Tracy's grave no? I mean come on.....any 'normal' person would have at least referred to Bond's wife in DAF.
  • Posts: 232
    I always go back to that guy who used to own the batho-sub's article in BONDAGE, where he was told (by Hamilton?) that Bond was going to make a large point of Tracy's death in dialog with Blofeld in the film, and when he saw the penthouse scene he was flabbergasted that they just skate right past all that.

    About the only thing I can see that points anywhere near feeling something about Tracy in DAF is Bond's expression as he steps into the gorgeous chrome elevator while leaving the penthouse, like he is doing something he doesn't want to do, or knowing he is leaving unfinished business -- he seems off-character at that moment in a way that suggests human weakness, something that is pretty rare in Connery films, and therefore I probably attach too much weight to it (not that there's a lot of weight to attach to anything in DAF except fondness for the score.)

    Does anyone know if those old BONDAGE issues are online anywhere? I know that somebody created an online archive of all the old STARLOG issues and that there were a couple great Bond pieces in those, including a Maibaum article I probably need to reread.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited August 2015 Posts: 9,020
    trevanian wrote: »
    Does that mean you have to take DAF out of the rotation completely?

    DAF is the only Bond movie which I can honestly say I dislike it to some degree.
    All other Bond movie I like more or less.

    DAF should have never been made. The PTS is a disgrace to the franchise in my opinion.
    They should have done no reference at all to OHMSS if they were going to spit on it anyway.

    Of course as a loyal James Bond fan I'll always watch DAF at one point or the other.
    It has some few great things in it after all.
    But the beginning and especially the end (on the boat) are the most awful sequences ever made in any Bond movie.

  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    trevanian wrote: »
    About the only thing I can see that points anywhere near feeling something about Tracy in DAF is Bond's expression as he steps into the gorgeous chrome elevator while leaving the penthouse, like he is doing something he doesn't want to do, or knowing he is leaving unfinished business -- he seems off-character at that moment in a way that suggests human weakness, something that is pretty rare in Connery films.

    i felt the same - but during the PTS... as swiftly as they delt with Blofeld in the PTS of FYEO, i feel the same about the PTS for DAF, as it swiftly resolves/buries OHMSS... but, when Bond says "Welcome to hell Blofeld.", even though it's said with a good ol' Connery smirk, I can't help but feel the gravity of those words being said coming off the heels of Tracy's death in OHMSS... Blofeld kills Tracy, and now Bond is going to kill Blofeld - in a pretty agonizing way too...
  • Posts: 15,125
    It isn t the SPECTRE films that get released. It is the Blofeld films. And that should tell you something, those of you who still don t think Blofeld will appear in the upcoming film.

    Yes, but then it can't be Waltz because that would make no sense at all and even be an absolute disaster story wise, Oberhauser is Bond's childhood acquaintance.

    I still believe Andrew Scott will be revealed to be Blofeld, I just can't see any other way IF Blofeld does appear in Spectre.

    Why would it be Scott? Scott is a British civil servant, that would make no sense whatsoever. That Blofeld hides his identity behind the little known Oberhauser makes far more sense.
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