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  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    After watching LTK on Sunday and some of TLD last night, Dalton is really growing on me. Looks-wise he is a mashup of Brosnan and Craig
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    I've always loved Dalton's Bond from the moment 004's scream prompted him to turn his head with the wind blowing his hair & the camera panning towards him....maybe the best Bond reveal, he did not have to utter a word, but you know that's JAMES BOND. I love TLD for all the right reasons.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I've always loved Dalton's Bond from the moment 004's scream prompted him to turn his head with the wind blowing his hair & the camera panning towards him....maybe the best Bond reveal, he did not have to utter a word, but you know that's JAMES BOND. I love TLD for all the right reasons.

    +1
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited May 2020 Posts: 17,827
    TLD or LTK ... which do I love more.... the answer is, which have I last seen? :))
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,593
    I think all things considered it's LTK for me. Felix, Pam, Lupa, Sanchez. Nice change of pace to see Bond on a personal vendetta than a proper mission (glad there isn't a lot of this though).
  • marcmarc Universal Exports
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    TLD for me
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    TLD for me, LTK is just blaaah
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I’m going to go with TLD, for 2 main reasons. First it has a mixture of classic elements, without overdoing one particular tone. The Bond and Pushkin scene is one of my favorites, two actors I really like. It’s a shame that Pushkin didn’t come back in GE, he would have fit in perfectly. Secondly, it gave us one of the best books on cinema Bond: The Making of The Living Daylights by Charles Helfenstein. A must read for any Bond fan, can of the movie or not. I’m surprised no one has brought this book up yet.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Dalton did not write it ;)
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I’m going to go with TLD, for 2 main reasons. First it has a mixture of classic elements, without overdoing one particular tone. The Bond and Pushkin scene is one of my favorites, two actors I really like. It’s a shame that Pushkin didn’t come back in GE, he would have fit in perfectly. Secondly, it gave us one of the best books on cinema Bond: The Making of The Living Daylights by Charles Helfenstein. A must read for any Bond fan, can of the movie or not. I’m surprised no one has brought this book up yet.

    They have. There is a thread for 'What Bond reference book are you reading?'
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,694
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I’m going to go with TLD, for 2 main reasons. First it has a mixture of classic elements, without overdoing one particular tone. The Bond and Pushkin scene is one of my favorites, two actors I really like. It’s a shame that Pushkin didn’t come back in GE, he would have fit in perfectly. Secondly, it gave us one of the best books on cinema Bond: The Making of The Living Daylights by Charles Helfenstein. A must read for any Bond fan, can of the movie or not. I’m surprised no one has brought this book up yet.

    They have. There is a thread for 'What Bond reference book are you reading?'

    I know I’m just talking about this thread and using the book as why I like TLD more. I mean no harm.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I’m going to go with TLD, for 2 main reasons. First it has a mixture of classic elements, without overdoing one particular tone. The Bond and Pushkin scene is one of my favorites, two actors I really like. It’s a shame that Pushkin didn’t come back in GE, he would have fit in perfectly. Secondly, it gave us one of the best books on cinema Bond: The Making of The Living Daylights by Charles Helfenstein. A must read for any Bond fan, can of the movie or not. I’m surprised no one has brought this book up yet.

    They have. There is a thread for 'What Bond reference book are you reading?'

    I know I’m just talking about this thread and using the book as why I like TLD more. I mean no harm.

    Sorry, misunderstood you.
    It is an excellent book, as is the previous OHMSS!
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I need an LTK expert:
    What of LTK specifically happens in Nassau Bahamas, vs. Key West, Florida? I thought originally the wedding, and also Felix' home were in Nassau and everything else was in Key West (aside from the Isthmus stuff of course), but now I'm thinking only the wedding is in Nassau and everything else is in Key West?
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    The strong scenes of TLD (and there are many) more than make up for the weaker parts. Dalton sells the key moments
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,605
    I do tend to prefer the sort of Eurothriller feel of TLD. I think LTK does have a strong plot though.
  • OctopussyOctopussy Piz Gloria, Schilthorn, Switzerland.
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    This moment is unequivocally a highlight of the franchise.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited May 2020 Posts: 5,131
    I prefer LTK, but TLD is also excellent.

    LTK is a terrific mix of the old and the new. The violence and action are a clear nod to modern times, but there's a nice throwback feel to the movie, too.

    There's talk of the time Bond was married years earlier (in On Her Majesty's Secret Service) and David Hedison makes a return as Felix Leiter, which makes for nice continuity with the earlier adventure Live and Let Die (even if the actor who plays Bond has changed). License to Kill has a strong atmospheric score (by Michael Kamen), exotic locations, brilliant action sequences, two nice-looking leading ladies (Carey Lowell and Talisa Soto), an evil villain (Robert Davi) who either cuts out the hearts of his enemies or feeds them to sharks, quips that make you laugh and/or groan, explosions, and a short-haired Benicio del Toro (in only his second film role) as a crazy, slimy henchman.

    What else could you want in a Bond movie?

    My only criticism is Bond’s underwhelming wardrobe in the film. However, this was how Fleming’s Bond dressed too.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    I need an LTK expert:
    What of LTK specifically happens in Nassau Bahamas, vs. Key West, Florida? I thought originally the wedding, and also Felix' home were in Nassau and everything else was in Key West (aside from the Isthmus stuff of course), but now I'm thinking only the wedding is in Nassau and everything else is in Key West?

    @NickTwentyTwo
    The wedding and Felix' s home is in Key West. The opening shot of Bond, Felix and Sharkey in the car is the "7 mile bridge" in the Florida Keys on the way to his wedding.

    I believe the only scenes in the Bahamas is when they go after Sanchez via the Coast Guard helicopter and the attempted capture on the island. Also Bimini is in the Bahamas as well. The location of our world class bar fight.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    You know, I don't think I realised any of it was set in the Bahamas! Thanks.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited May 2020 Posts: 8,231
    For me, there used to be a considerable gap between the two films, with TLD being the far superior film. However, as time goes by, the gap seems to be getting smaller. LTK has the better villain and its plot is strong in its efficiency. That and the action scenes are simply fantastic.

    I prefer Dalton's performance in the previous film, and the music is an obvious advantage as well as its Cold War atmosphere and locations.

    An increasingly tough choice.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
    Posts: 3,327
    LTK all the way for me. TLD is also great, just not as great as LTK
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