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We came pretty close in the 1960s in DN (radiation decontamination of Honey) and FRWL (introduction of Tatiana getting into Bond's bed), and in the 1980s in TLD (where Bond uses a topless girl to distract General Pushkin's bodyguard). Plus many/most of the titles...particularly in the 1970s.
In today's more prudish environment, I doubt we will see any nudity for many years
From memory, the novel TSWLM was quite explicit
These days, it's all about the money, and appealing to the widest global audience. Certain demographics and nationalities have different sensibilities, so one tries to accommodate.
Bond didn't even finish the job in CR with Solange (Connery always would have taken the time for a quickie, and even squeaky clean Dalton asked for 2 hours in the TLD pretitles). The Severine scene was quite tame, yet I recall one member here complaining that he felt it was tantamount to rape!
Oh well....
there is a difference between nudity and gratuitous sex.. you can see nudity is most of Maurice Binder's title sequences - namely TMWTGG, TSWLM, OP, and LTK - sometimes you gotta look hard, and some other times you don't ;) .... even in TND, Bond and the Danish school teacher scene, if you look at just the right moment when Bond is looking for his phone, you catch a peek at her lady parts :\">......
but in terms of sex.... Xenia's killing of the Canadian Admiral in GE and Bond/Jinx in DAD is about as far as sex scenes should probably be pushed in a Bond film - at the end of the day, they are PG-13 and still films that you can sit and watch with the family (not calling all of them family films though)
I always assumed he did with Solange hence the phone call for more champagne. I always thought that when he said "no for one" that he didn't want anyone to know someone was with him.
That said, I'm praying so hard that Bellucci who's known for her nudity and sex scenes in film isn't wasted. The Craig era has done a massive disservice to amazing Bond girls and I'm hoping SP fixes that.
In my honest opinion, Bond's treatment of women is pretty awful, and the less the films do to objectify them the better.
If you want to see sex, there's plenty of sites to accommodate your desires.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=gkp4t5NYzVM
As I considered that some may find it offensive and objectionable, I decided to change the link. Hope you don't mind.
I'm not saying that I want to see these scenes as a way to satisfy myself. I'm merely looking at it from the perspective of a plot point and great story telling. There doesn't have to be a full on sex scene.
And till now all the love scenes in the Bond movies have been that way.
Personally I have my favorite scenes in this area like
The world is not enough
the scene with the cubes with Elektra and James Bond
The love scene at the end with Christmas Jones
The love scene with the doctor to give him the paper which said he was ok to work
Tomorrow never dies
The love scene with the Danish teacher
The love scene with Paris
Die another day
The last love scene with Jinx and the diamonds
The love scene with Miranda frost
You only live twice
The things I do for England
Thunderball
Wild scene
Aren't you in the wrong room ?
Do you feel these would fit more with Bond movies being PG-13?
Here are examples of such -
Agreed. But I actually didn't mind DAD's sex scene as it was very tame.
However, it's worth remembering that some people will find things like that offensive and it's our job as community moderators to ensure the guidelines are followed. Fortunately, there is room for interpretation in those guidelines. Oh, and don't forget this little gem:
"MI6 Community and/or its associates reserve the right to suspend any and all access and permissions to the community at any point for any reason or no reason at all."
Gotta love that one.
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:)) touché
Bottomsh up, old boy!
[/i] Bond's treatment of women is pretty awful, and the less the films do to objectify them the better.[/i]
Absolutely. I wish when Bond had handed that dress to Vesper in CR, it could have been a Berka. Believe me, I would not have been objectifying her then. That way I could have remained focused on her intellect. As for those two tennis players glancing back at Bond tying his shoe, clearly they were appreciating attributes other than his appearance, because women don't objectify men.
Objectifying women is seeing them only as sex objects and nothing else. Appreciating a woman for the person she is, while recognizing her beauty and sexuality is not objectification.
Bond films have always appreciated attractive women and the role sex plays in relationships. In deference to the role of women in society, the films beginning with
RM's tenure reflected changes that often seemed gratuitous and silly--i.e. Holly Goodhead and Christmas Jones, two of the most unconvincing scientists to appear in Bond films.
As for nudity, it always depends on the story. I am no prude, but I don't like gratuitous nudity or sex. A good example is HBO's Boardwalk Empire, often featuring nudity for no apparent reason.
Had we seen a naked Bond and Vesper in the hotel scene in Venice, that would have been logical. I didn't have to see them naked, but it could have served as a metaphor for their intimacy and hiding nothing from each other, until she slips from bed and covers herself, indicating she isn't fully open with Bond. Again story, story, story.
I recognize the challenges of self-image experienced by girls growing up, no less of an issue with boys. However, it is not up to the Bond films to tackle that challenge.
I'm not sure I go along with this notion that Bond treats women worse than men. He doesn't exactly treat men very well either. He seems to as much a misandrist as a misogynist.
Equally objectification seems to be applied equally to men and women
He's a spy living hard and on the edge. All of this is acceptable for a man living that life as far as I'm concerned.
I think that's to keep the ratings at PG or 12. Bond women were openly naked in the books after a shag. ...as was 007.
The above is a bit too much for me actually.....in a Bond film. There's a bit too much unbridled unBondian slobbering passion on display and less Bondian cool.
I'd rather this, which was and is perfect imho (sorry (I don't have the full scene):