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GOLDENEYE: Extent of Alec Trevelyan and Xenia Onatopp's relationship

joshdeese93joshdeese93
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Were they merely team mates in the Janus syndicate, or is it implied that they have a sexual relationship as well?
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  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
    edited September 2015 Posts: 1,130
    I think they were just Allies otherwise Trevelyan would have been death in less than you may think.
  • joshdeese93joshdeese93
    Posts: 352
    You think that she would kill him even though they were allies? Like, even though he was technically her boss, you don't think that they could have had a romantic/sexual relationship together in the pursuit of their crimes? She looks at him suggestively when they escape in the helicopter from the bullet train, so it looks like they are pretty close together in that regard.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    joshdeese93 wrote: »
    you don't think that they could have had a romantic/sexual relationship together in the pursuit of their crimes?

    They may have had sex but I doubt there was any romance involved. He was a cold bastard and she was deranged.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
    edited September 2015 Posts: 1,130
    joshdeese93 wrote: »
    You think that she would kill him even though they were allies? Like, even though he was technically her boss, you don't think that they could have had a romantic/sexual relationship together in the pursuit of their crimes? She looks at him suggestively when they escape in the helicopter from the bullet train, so it looks like they are pretty close together in that regard.


    I think her impulses were too strong to be able to contro them, that woman was always horny and part of that was killing the men who were with her.

    She would have killed him accidentally

  • wintandkiddfaroutwintandkiddfarout Australia
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    They could have been friends at most in my opinion. But he never showed any obvious grief for her when she was killed. At the very least they were team mates with a common agenda.

    I'm inclined to agree. She was incapable of safe sexual relations. She would have killed Alec without meaning to.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Alec discovered she had a crush on him.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    joshdeese93 wrote: »
    Were they merely team mates in the Janus syndicate, or is it implied that they have a sexual relationship as well?

    I didn't read the novelization. Maybe the answer is there.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    joshdeese93 wrote: »
    Were they merely team mates in the Janus syndicate, or is it implied that they have a sexual relationship as well?

    I didn't read the novelization. Maybe the answer is there.

    I was thinking that myself but it's been too long since I last read it to remember if it mentions anything about this.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    The train confrontation with Bond hints at something. I always wondered who was watching Xenia and the Canadian Admiral having relations. Kind of kinky to think someone was in the room with them.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I presumed it was whoever the guy was who is posing as the Admiral to enter the launch event. It's a bit odd how he's never seen on screen or ever mentioned again, although a bit of me admires the filmmaking efficiency of that.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I always thought it was either Ourumov or Alec that was that person. But I suppose it could have been another character we never saw.

    Either way it is pretty warped that they watch the sex and then watch as the man is killed.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Always assumed it was Ouromov that picked the ID card and accompanied Xenia in the Eurocopter, since Ouromov arrives with her in the helicopter at Severnaya. Always assumed they flew on a non-stop flight from frigate to bunker. Doesn't explain the Chuck lookalike at the Tiger demonstration.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    edited January 6 Posts: 15,302
    QBranch wrote: »
    Always assumed it was Ouromov that picked the ID card and accompanied Xenia in the Eurocopter, since Ouromov arrives with her in the helicopter at Severnaya. Always assumed they flew on a non-stop flight from frigate to bunker. Doesn't explain the Chuck lookalike at the Tiger demonstration.

    That’s a very long non-stop journey for a helicopter.
    I also assumed that the unseen potential voyeur was Ouromov.

    As to a sexual encounter between Alec and Xenia, surely he did. Who wouldn’t?
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited January 6 Posts: 3,231
    Indeed.

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Ah Xenia... One of my favourites. A little nasty, dangerous, menacing, gorgeous... To die like that admiral, if only. Femke made it work.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Benny wrote: »
    That's a very long non-stop journey for a helicopter.
    It is, and unlikely how it played out. Just the editing makes it look this way.

    No idea about Alec and Xenia. We like to think they did though, don't we? What's clear is they both like strawberries!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Always assumed it was Ouromov that picked the ID card and accompanied Xenia in the Eurocopter, since Ouromov arrives with her in the helicopter at Severnaya. Always assumed they flew on a non-stop flight from frigate to bunker. Doesn't explain the Chuck lookalike at the Tiger demonstration.

    They change clothes though. I don't think it's supposed to be Ouromov in Monaco. Plus it's clearly a day or so later as Bond returns to the UK in that time.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    mtm wrote: »
    They change clothes though. I don't think it's supposed to be Ouromov in Monaco. Plus it's clearly a day or so later as Bond returns to the UK in that time.
    I clearly need to watch this film more. Anniversary viewing coming up!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Always assumed it was Ouromov that picked the ID card and accompanied Xenia in the Eurocopter, since Ouromov arrives with her in the helicopter at Severnaya. Always assumed they flew on a non-stop flight from frigate to bunker. Doesn't explain the Chuck lookalike at the Tiger demonstration.

    That one boggles me too. Clearly, Ouromov looks nothing like Chuck.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Must be a bit of Blofeld-style plastic surgery dopplegangery going in there.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Must be a bit of Blofeld-style plastic surgery dopplegangery going in there.

    Or the same plastic surgeon as Mister Angelo got in TB?

    Either way, please remember, we use Science Fact in Bond films. ;)
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,408
    Regarding Alec and Xena, could it be like Bellatrix or whatever her name was and Lord Voldemort? He's the only person she'll ever love, she's fanatically devoted to him, but he's just using her.

    Regarding the doppelganger, I always understood it was inspired by Angelo in TB.
  • shimplyshocking007shimplyshocking007
    Posts: 160
    There was a Calvin Dyson video where he commented that the Admiral lookalike ranks as one of the most successful henchmen. He does his job quickly and efficiently with little fuss.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    When Ourumov brings Natalya aboard the train, Xenia steps past Alec with a nice touch on the shoulder you wouldn't get in the friend zone.
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    Not sure why Xenia would prefer Trevelyan over Bond. Must be the Yorkshire accent!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I always thought the guy with the beard and ponytail who attacks Bond when he's wrestling about with Xenia looks a bit like Chuck. Maybe he stood in as the co-pilot.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    It think that some kind of romantic or sexual relationship is implied at times in the film. Perhaps Trevelyan likes the rough stuff? It's subtly done though and not overstated. I actually don't think Xenia would go so far as to accidentally kill Trevelyan during sex. I think there's enough of a mutual respect between the two for her to not get carried away and go that far with him. It's clear from the film that she only weaponises her sexuality when she needs to eliminate an enemy of the Janus Syndicate.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    It think that some kind of romantic or sexual relationship is implied at times in the film. Perhaps Trevelyan likes the rough stuff? It's subtly done though and not overstated. I actually don't think Xenia would go so far as to accidentally kill Trevelyan during sex. I think there's enough of a mutual respect between the two for her to not get carried away and go that far with him. It's clear from the film that she only weaponises her sexuality when she needs to eliminate an enemy of the Janus Syndicate.

    I think Trevelyan loved Bond. The movie makes more sense if you see it this way.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited February 13 Posts: 18,483
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    It think that some kind of romantic or sexual relationship is implied at times in the film. Perhaps Trevelyan likes the rough stuff? It's subtly done though and not overstated. I actually don't think Xenia would go so far as to accidentally kill Trevelyan during sex. I think there's enough of a mutual respect between the two for her to not get carried away and go that far with him. It's clear from the film that she only weaponises her sexuality when she needs to eliminate an enemy of the Janus Syndicate.

    I think Trevelyan loved Bond. The movie makes more sense if you see it this way.

    That's a different take on things, certainly.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    To be fair, most of the villains make more sense if they actually fancy Bond. It explains why they never just shoot him in the face when they have the chance!
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