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Miss America on evolution
DarthDimi
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I'm flattered that quite a few of these ladies agree that evolution should be taught in school, however the few who don't honestly frighten me. It's not exactly a matter of belief...
What do you think?
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LOL @ Georgia: Kids need to make their own decisions.
OK. Yeah, 3+3 = 9 for me, but it's 7 for my sister.
@Luds, I actually think Miss Georgia was one of the wiser ones. Teach kids both religious blaha and evolution, and let them make their own decision what to believe in. Hopefully the evolution classes set the poor kids straight ;)
Go Miss California! :X
I hope she wins. Science never looked that good. ;;)
Of course that means you can have people who go 'oh, it's only a theory, I have one too,' without understanding that it's a 'scientific theory' and... Oh, never mind. This is turning into a very pedantic post. Sigh.
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/comment/29953#Comment_29953
because I quite recall starting a thread with a YouTube video in it and then I got chastised for not posting it in the YouTube thread; but it seems the rules applies differently to everyone here but me:
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/1041/hey-thats-hans-zimmer#Item_5
of course, considering who started this thread and who is the first person to reply who also happened to say regarding my locked YouTube video thread:
"Yes it should. Some people never learn."
I am not surprised why this hasn't been locked and moved into the YouTube thread.
Playing favoritism again and/or ignoring the rules!!
why?
does it make it less a subject for discussion than this thread?
explain to me how it does so?
you folks are a joke - you take the rules and bend them as you go along to your own liking and play favoritism based on which MI6 member you like better.
You remind me of those people at the TSA at the US Airports!!
With this thread, Dimi wanted to hear other opinions on stupid Miss Americas. He's trying to get a topic going and could've started the very same discussion without that clip, it was just a complement.
it's kind of hard to start a discussion in my thread when it was locked up the same day, within minutes, after only 2 replies and I and the rest of the MI6 members were not given the time to even began a discussion, isn't it?
you know what, about your argument?
WHATEVER!!
This Miss America video could had been posted in the YouTube thread video and a discussion on "stupid Miss Americas" (kind of general statement on your part, isn't it? Miss Americas are ALL Stupid to you, now?) could still had been engaged!!
@j7 You contributed 3 posts to this first page and none of them involve the topic at hand. You made your point, it was countered. Please give it a rest. If it would please you, I'll simply remove the You Tube link from the first post.
Now, back on topic Sir, you're on to something for sure. It is a theory indeed, not proven fact, and almost certainly true. Truer in any case than some of its competitors, which often lack scientific evidence to support even a tenth of what they say. They border on magic.
Also, many false ideas exist concerning evolution. Many people believe that evolution theory states we are descendant from apes. That is not what is says though. We and the bonobo apes share a common ancestor is what the theory says.
(Could be explained by the fact that I didn't meet any miss America girls over there! ;) )
As far as our misses are concerned, I wonder how many of the anti-evolution ones actually meant what they said and weren't just trying to amuse some deeply religious voters and fans. :)
"As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear-headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research into atoms this much. There is no matter, as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of the atom to vibration. I must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter." ~Max Planck
The Darwinian evolution theory is presently the most scientifically supported of the available theories. Its competitors are much less backed up by science. It isn't factually proven, I know, but it's the least 'unproven' of the bunch, if you catch my drift. :) I believe it's important to always teach kids the best available theory. If, one day, evidence shows up that proves the Darwinian evolution theory flawed, we will need to adjust the theory and we will accept its modified version. Science, when conducted correctly, allows 'falsification'. According to Popper, that is one of the most important distinctions between science and pseudoscience. Creationists, for example, hardly ever allow their ideas to be modified in accordance with new observations or genetic evidence. This intellectual rigidity almost by default renders their views invalid. If you don't accept and adopt new elements to critically reconsider your theory and modify it where necessary, you automatically reduce your thoughts to magic.
For centuries people believed the Earth to be the centre of the universe. People believed the Earth to be a flat disc. People denied the idea of discontinuous matter (atoms). Organic substances were thought by Vitalism to be created by a divine force only, unable to be manufactured synthetically. Earth would only be a few thousand years old... All of these ridiculous misconceptions were one by one demystified by science, however. There's enough evidence to support modern scientific views on those matters and, in fact, in some cases we can actually 'see' the truth. Seeing is believing, no? ;;)
It worries me that the thought of Earth being only a few thousand years old, created out of nothingness in a matter of a few days, still exists today. People reject evidence in such a way I frankly question their intelligence. There's no reason why I would be insulting God when I follow the Big Bang Theory and all that builds on that. They, however, pretend that God is like a microwave cook, shoving a few things in the microwave and 1 . 2 . 3 - we have a populated Universe! THAT is the biggest insult one can give God, if you ask me.
In time, Darwinian evolution theory, slightly modified or not, will ultimately be proven factually correct, of that I'm fairly confident. It will be yet another sad case of fanatics fighting fierce wars to blind us and themselves from the truth. One day, they'll be comically referred to in school as "those idiots", the same way kids snigger today when one reminds them that Earth was once though flat.
You know, gravity is a concept we still struggle with. We know it exists, but we just can't seem to figure out how it works. Is it caused by the 'gravitons'? Is it a ripple in higher dimensions? One of those things that make science so fascinating for me. ;;)
I don't want to jump the gun with GL, but I'd like to hear his reasoning behind rejecting evolution by natural selection, and I do hope what he presents is thrilling and interesting, not something we've heard thousands of times before.
I'm sorry, but if I'm going to be honest I don't see it as much different than saying the Holocaust shouldn't be taught to schoolchildren because there's no evidence for it.
I'm going to be very honest too. I think science should become much more important in our lives. It should be taught as quickly as humanly possible. We are facing some tough challenges in the near future and for what it's worth, our species won't last forever - in fact there's a good probability we'll be wiped out somewhere in the next 100 000 or so years (maybe even a lot sooner), even if we learn to be at peace with each other. Our planet is constantly threatened from the outside. Space, contrary to popular belief, is not a quiet place. It's a violent, aggressive, lethal zone. I've noticed that even on Discovery Channel they mention this time and time again in their many brilliantly educational series about space, the universe and so on. We need science to come up with answers and it won't happen if we force ourselves back into the scientific stone age.
I deal with pupils who won't accept the big bang theory. I tell them we have tremendous evidence to support it, as do we have a lot of evidence concerning Earth's age. They claim the evidence is tricked and false. I ask them whether they have a cell phone. They say yes. I ask them to show me the cell phone. They do. I ask them to text someone in class. They do. Then I explain that the same basic laws that govern the functioning of the cell phone, are used to understand the origin of the world and to determine the age of our planet. It confuses them. Some of them intellectually accept what I say yet fight the thought with all the magic they can imagine. They say this is not how the Bible or the Koran explain it. That's the part where I get angry. Though not visibly. I once, in the beginning of my career, spent 45 minutes in class debating the subject with a Muslim boy. I could bring up a gazillion solid arguments, and he came no further than referring to the Koran over and over again. As he had absolutely no case, whereas mine was strong, he left visibly confused. It got me into a lot of trouble with his father, however...
I can see why someone would want evolution to not be taught in a *religion* class, but to not teach it in a science class is beyond comprehension. Even if you don't believe in it it's an accepted part of science and should be taught as such. If anyone asks that it not be taught in science class because of religious values then I would ask them how they would feel about evolution being taught during sermons in their church. Turnabout is fair play, as we used to say as kids...