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What more did you expect from a storyline concerning an evil organization hellbent on world domination? Has that trope ever actually been taken seriously? They're not exactly Al-Qaeda are they? Even back in the sixties and fifties Blofeld was a silly character, as well as all of Fleming's villains. If people really want to liken this to bad fan-fiction then clearly they don't remember Die Another Day, nor Quantum of Solace for that matter.
@torontobondfan You made my night with that comment. I have been forcing myself to stay away from the reviews until I could see it tonight and yours was one of the first ones I read. You had me rolling with that one! I can hear it now, "Mr Bonnnnnnnnnnnnnddddddd!!!"
Why would Mathis need to be brought up? He was a great character and it's a shame he was killed off but I don't see the need nor the point to shoehorn in a reference.
SPECTRE as an organisation is simply fantasy. But at least they make sense and their existance as an organisation isn't completely pointless and aimless like Al-Qaeda.....and by that I mean members of SPECTRE would have half a (an evil) brain.
lol Zing!
The point still boils down to that if you look too much into the motivations of villains and the plots of Bond films, even the recent ones, they just break down and don't make much logical sense. Even my personal favorites I find tons of flaws with, enough where I can ramble on all night about how imperfect they are, but that defeats the purpose of watching these films. Even a great 007 film like Casino Royale, I don't think, should be taken so seriously when it comes to villains and plot.
And Blofield may have been a silly character in the 60s, but at least he wasn't Bond's adopted older brother, driven by a jealousy of his sibling.
It's TV soap opera stuff of the silliest level, and opens the Bond the franchise up for ridicule, I'm afraid.
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Yeah my point was that the fantasy element of Bond sometimes makes more sense than the idiot criminal organisations of real life.
Nicely put! Your view on Blofeld is one I believe in also.
@Scaramanga12 ...May I ask what is your favorite Bond film?
Great idea.
True. I just find it funny there are members here dinging this fim and likening it to fan-fiction when in the past we've had villains want to keep the heat off of them so they publicly have three men killed who have ties to them, the entire DAD and QoS plots, fake Russian treasures and nukes to blow up a circus, stealing a satellite to in-turn rob banks, playing Battleship in a stealthboat, solex agitator's, ect ect. And these are all from films I like. lol The Bond films aren't exactly known for stellar plotting.
I am guessing TMWTGG:.
Agreed. And neither are the novels. They are larger than life escapist thrillers. ...and this is why we love them.
They used a trope from the cinematic Blofeld. That is all. I was not too keen on bringing back the scar, that said I loved the execution and the look (far nastier and menacing than Pleasence's which was at the time just something to make Pleasence look menacing).
Youhave a nice family.
Re-invention is the way to go, no point in doing the same old over and over. Spectre has brought us the best of both worlds imo.
That scar is part of cinematic Bond. Spoofs have copied and faded away. Kudos to Bond for taking back what was his to begin with.
Bond is now once again spoof proof.
Absolutely true.
Spectre really is a huge homage to all Bond-eras.
There is a lot of stuff to be seen from GoldenEye, YOLT, FRWL, TLD, TSWLM, TND, GF, TWINE and even more.
There are big homages like the plane/car chase (GE tank chase), obvious shorter ones like the speed boat escaping the MI6 building (TWINE PTS), train fight (FRWL), Bond and Swann at the dinner table on the train (CR), really the list is endless.
The incredible thing is, it all works and Spectre creates its own atmosphere and style nonetheless.
Spectre is a triumph on all levels.
Agreed.
It was Bond's aunt that took care of him but for the times she was away for extended periods of time before he went to Eton and Fettes Bond was temporarily looked after by Oberhauser.
Blofeld took back what was rightfully his.
...did make my eye hurt though ..ewww
The system would have gone online, which presumably would be a tricky thing to speedily reverse once six other nations have direct access. As for the building being populated, I don't really understand why it has to be? The whole thing is automated and can be accessed remotely, why would you need hundreds of staff to be waiting around for a computer system to start up?
I hear a lot of this 'it shouldn't happen in a Bond movie' talk, regard elements, characters, scenes, but no real reasoning behind why it shouldn't. The only answer always seems to be either because it's never happened before, or because it's not what usually happens. It doesn't detract one bit from it being a Bond movie. I'd argue that Whishaw and Fiennes are two of the most well realised supporting characters in the canon. Having them deal with the lesser threat of Denbigh, while Bond deals with the big bad was a unique take on the traditional finale.
I thought it was quite obvious that ESB wanted her to see her father take his own life. Would you really be fine watching your father commit suicide? I highly doubt it.
I think people are putting too much weight on the levels of ESB exacting revenge on 007. Let's get one thing straight. SPECTRE doesn't exist solely to destroy Bond's life. SPECTRE as an organisation was presumably up and running long before Bond came on the scene and they have a multitude of interests, as evidenced by the Rome meeting. ESB says about Bond messing in his world, so he in turn destroys Bond's. Being the author of his pain isn't always literal, but he was the man at the centre of the organisation, he can take responsibility for any and all actions attributed to his agents. So with Silva we have an ex-agent who wants to kill 'M', this isn't authored by ESB, but presumably sanctioned by him. The fact Bond is on the mission could be pure happenstance. Once aware of this ESB throws his resources behind it. A lot of Silva's omnipotence suddenly makes much more sense when you consider ESB's reach. It's a decent bit of retcon. Remember, we're watching a Bond film, therefore everything we witness is directly related to him. SPECTRE is a culmination of years of ball ache for him. Meanwhile the organisation has been engaging in a plethora of unrelated nefarious acts that we don't even know about. The only one's we need to see are those concerning Bond, hence it having a more personal feel.
I'm glad someone said this! The SPECTRE organisation wasn't formed to ruin Bond's life. Blofeld shrugged a younger Bond off by killing his Father and faking his own death and probably thought that was it.
You can just imagine his frustration when learning that the British agent thwarting some SPECTRE operations was his very own cuckoo foster brother!
OHMSS. Yours?
One should read something about the highly mysterious Bilderberg Organisation, founded in part by Prince-Consort Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld (grandfather of the current Dutch King William of Orange). You'll be surprised how many 'tentacles' that organisation has in western democracies. Ian Fleming himself actually named a character in "Thunderball" after him, Count Lippe.
Maybe in bed with Felix
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