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  • dragonskydragonsky
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    Here's an article with the references (some might be a reach) in SPECTRE:

    http://www.thebondbulletin.com/the-bond-references-in-spectre
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,801
    timmer wrote: »
    Plan on a couple more SP viewings this week.
    I really am impressed with this film. Mind you I'd prefer Guy Hamilton or Terrence Young to be directing but for a Mendes effort, it was pretty good. I think he got a lot of stuff right and still managed to indulge some post SF drama as well.
    I thought Mendes did a nice job further establishing the Mi6 crew he put together in SF.
    Craig's performance was stellar and if Bond is played right, that goes a long way IMO for making a great Bond movie. A good convincing Bond helps ground the whole film.
    I much prefer SP to SF. SF has grown on me though, but SP delivers more of a straight up Bond adventure.
    I am not going to expand now, but I do believe the story holds up just fine. It makes perfect sense that SP all along was the operation behind the first three films, especially as it concerns Silva.
    CR hinted right from the start that there was a powerful secret organization operating behind the scenes. All that QoS did was give it a name, but still its broader scope and leadership was not revealed. There was still more to be seen. SP, even though it is a retcon, does bring everything full circle.
    I am thinking Eon was trying to create SP from the start,as far back as CR, so SP the movie is not a full retcon. But post SF, Eon finally got license back to use Spectre and Blofeld again, and this film serves as the big reveal.
    If Spectre has existed to the extent that we see in this new film, there is no way Silva is running operations like his independently. Spectre as we saw, is and has been everywhere.
    Silva was operating under the Spectre umbrella, but still doing his own thing, much like DN in 1962. DN was Spectre, but quite independent too.
    He was a tentacle.
    I don't think Spectre's existence is needed toexplain Silva's activiites in SF. I think SF holds together on its own well enough. Silva had plenty of his own means. His gig was his gig, but his activities provided yet another tentacle for Spectre
    What we learn I think, is that Silva was operating with Spectre's blessings, and that he was part of the broader organization.
    But what we do learn in the new film is Blofeld is the big cheese. He's got a cult like grip on the whole operation. We saw that in Rome. He's running all the bad stuff in the world to some extent. Illuminati like even.
    As for Blofelds history with Bond, I can roll with that. It's a tad cute, but so what, it wasn't overplayed. Bond didn't seem to care. Oberhauser was Bond's mentor and temporary guardian for a short bit, just as he was in the Fleming novels.
    Bond was actually raised by his aunt after his parents died. This hasnt' changed.
    Just turns out Oberhauser had a completely derganged criminal genius son. A bad seed who has unpleasant memories of Bond taking away some of his daddy time.
    Old Hannes Oberhauser probably slept with a knife under his pillow suspecting he might be raising Damien from Omen, and he was right.
    OK so in the new reboot continuity, poor old Hannes was killed by his wacko son,and not by the greedy murderous Dexter Smythe. Whatever....
    So this new history doesn't bother me, because it's not overstated. Bond is not affected in any way. What is important I think, is that Eon has managed to skillfully introduce Blofeld and Spectre into the rebooted continuity.
    This sets up great going forward. And this Blofeld is full-on Ernst. Don't forget he faked his own death and tossed the Oberhauser name.
    What we've got is full-on Ernst Stavro Blofeld, all-powerful leader of Spectre in all his mad glory once again, with nice nods to the original film series, with the inclusion of the scar origins ,and the presence of the iconic white cat.

    I find this new film to be a very encouraging Bond film. I love the way everything has been tied together with previous stories and how we are set-up going forward.
    Its a gateway film to some extent, setting the series up potentially for decades to come.
    I would love to see Bond battling Spectre or divisions of Spectre indefinitely going forward. Blofeld must not be killed. In future films, he can be front and centre, or in the background.
    He will escape and he will come after Bond and Swann in the next film. I am sure of it, just as I was sure way back before leaks, or anything conclusive, that Waltz was being cast to play Blofeld.
    There is much good, Bond and Blofeld stuff ahead!
    I don't think Eon ever intended to kill Ernst anyway. They finally dumped him down a smokestack out of frustration with McClory and his insistence on controling the character rights, and using him in his own film, so it was goodbye Ernst, but he's back now in all his deranged glory.
    @timmer we basically see eye to eye here! Cheers my friend!

    :-c
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    dragonsky wrote: »
    Here's an article with the references (some might be a reach) in SPECTRE:

    http://www.thebondbulletin.com/the-bond-references-in-spectre

    Nice find, the most references are to GoldenEye which confirms my initial thoughts after seeing SP that this is Craig's GoldenEye to some extend.
    Funny how many references they made to the Brosnan era. That must not sit well with some here :))
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Funny how many references they made to the Brosnan era. That must not sit well with some here :))
    Subliminal messaging?
    ;)
  • lalala2004lalala2004
    Posts: 162
    smitty wrote: »
    lalala2004 wrote: »
    I find it interesting that people are saying it gets better with multiple viewings. I've found the opposite to happen to me with some past Bond films. I loved DAD when I first saw it, and the more I watched it, the more I saw it's flaws. Given, I was only 15 at the time....

    People were also mentioning the "formula". I actually thought the elements of the Bond formula that were thrown in were some of the strengths of the film. It was just where they took it too far, with Q, M, and Moneypenny doing way too much.


    Although I enjoyed SP, I was going to note some issues I had with the film like your comment I bolded above which I totally agree with. For me, it cut back on screen time that could haven better gone to Bond, Swan, Hinx and Blofeld. There's plenty of room for pros and cons about the film, but some of the stuff on here was just getting way to hostile to respond to.

    That's why I divided my review into good, meh, and disappointing.

    Ultimately, I think Spectre will go down in Bond history as a middle of the road
    Bond film. Not the worst, not the best. It's just that when the new film isn't what some may not consider the "best" it's a bummer. Things will calm down. People are entitled to their opinion either way. I haven't seen by mud slinging such as "if you like this movie you're a moron!" Or "if you don't like it you're a stick in the mud" (direct me to these posts if they exist, as I love to witness drama). My point: It's not that bad. People aren't going to agree, and that's fine. Emotions run high because we are all fans!

    I'll stop rambling....
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited November 2015 Posts: 17,801
    lalala2004 wrote: »
    Ultimately, I think Spectre will go down in Bond history as a middle of the road
    Bond film.
    I have foreseen the future my friend (it's a gift I have) and SP will be looked back on as the finest moment of the 21st Century Bonds equaled only by Justin Bieber's first surprise Bond hit (Kill Another Week) directed by Steven Spielberg (his last film).
  • lalala2004lalala2004
    Posts: 162
    chrisisall wrote: »
    lalala2004 wrote: »
    Ultimately, I think Spectre will go down in Bond history as a middle of the road
    Bond film.
    I have foreseen the future my friend (it's a gift I have) and SP will be looked back on as the finest moment of the 21st Century Bonds equaled only by Justin Bieber's first surprise Bond hit directed by Steven Spielberg (his last film).

    Thank you for blessing us with your foresight :))
  • fanbond123fanbond123
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    Nuff said!
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    lalala2004 wrote: »
    Ultimately, I think Spectre will go down in Bond history as a middle of the road
    Bond film.
    I have foreseen the future my friend (it's a gift I have) and SP will be looked back on as the finest moment of the 21st Century Bonds equaled only by Justin Bieber's first surprise Bond hit directed by Steven Spielberg (his last film).

    Please do refrain from any further looking into the future, I urge you :))
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    bondjames wrote: »
    To be quite frank, I preferred the way Quantum was introduced in QoS at Tosca.

    That had a little more maturity and weight to it than the TB caricature that they did here. Having said that, it's always good to see a good old fashioned SP meet with some thug being killed for whatever reason in front of #1. Where was pussy? Oh I forgot.....it appeared later.

    There was a restraint to QoS that SP has made me appreciate all the more. I thought I wanted more Vesper but I actually wanted less.
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Here's an article with the references (some might be a reach) in SPECTRE:

    http://www.thebondbulletin.com/the-bond-references-in-spectre

    Hang on, there was a helicopter roll filmed for GE?
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    echo wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    To be quite frank, I preferred the way Quantum was introduced in QoS at Tosca.

    That had a little more maturity and weight to it than the TB caricature that they did here. Having said that, it's always good to see a good old fashioned SP meet with some thug being killed for whatever reason in front of #1. Where was pussy? Oh I forgot.....it appeared later.

    There was a restraint to QoS that SP has made me appreciate all the more. I thought I wanted more Vesper but I actually wanted less.
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Here's an article with the references (some might be a reach) in SPECTRE:

    http://www.thebondbulletin.com/the-bond-references-in-spectre

    Hang on, there was a helicopter roll filmed for GE?

    Yes that Eurocopter..but I don't think for real because I recall the stunt team saying it was too dangerous... I think.. not sure.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    chrisisall wrote: »
    I have foreseen the future my friend (it's a gift I have) and SP will be looked back on as the finest moment of the 21st Century Bonds

    Oh boy. We're really in trouble then....
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    Posts: 1,661
    They should just end Bond. For a while at least. Five years or so gap. Let things cool down and then wham - new creative team, new Bond, perhaps with no backstory stuff. A nice soft reboot. Forget about Blofeld with daddy issues, forget Vesper, forget Silva. A clean slate in 2020.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Way off subject but when Q informs Bond that that Aston is a 3 million prototype does he phrase it in pounds or dollars?

    Second point its no wonder they can't afford to rebuild MI6 HQ if they are spending that much money on a prototype with mostly a flame thrower and a radio.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited November 2015 Posts: 16,351
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    They should just end Bond. For a while at least. Five years or so gap. Let things cool down and then wham - new creative team, new Bond, perhaps with no backstory stuff. A nice soft reboot. Forget about Blofeld with daddy issues, forget Vesper, forget Silva. A clean slate in 2020.

    What a depressing and disappointing post. Keep going is what I say. No more damn delays, Bond is going on strong. Strike while the iron is hot and seize the moment. I'll take more Bond over inferior spy movies.
  • Jan1985Jan1985
    Posts: 625
    Suivez_ce_parachute wrote: »
    Wow, wow, wow...

    In French, "You" can be translated as "Vous" or "Tu".

    When you translate "You" with "Tu" it means, in most contexts, that the two persons talking know each other quite well, that they're close friends, colleagues you see out of the job, or from the same family. "Vous" means they're more distant, or that the exchange is formal, and well it's kind of the default mode.

    Well, "Why did you come ? / I came here to kill you" : I've just heard a French translation on French TV where they chose "tu" (while in the teasers so far, it was "vous"). It really makes the Blofeld/Bond exchange sounds like "brothers talking". It has just been shown on French news TV. I re-rewatched it, that's the real deal : these were the voices of the dubbers. So there are two versions that exist, one with "Vous" and one with "Tu".

    I'll see later if this a glitch from a fast translation done for some purposes (but that's super weird). Otherwise, if they indeed used finally "tu", the French audience will have the "brother" angle hammered to them !

    It's the same in german (they say "Du" instead of "Sie") and every other language that has two words for both meanings.
    But it's meant to be "personal" in english, too. Because Oberhauser says "James" instead of "Mr. Bond". So everyone knows how the "you" is meant.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited November 2015 Posts: 4,116
    Yea we don't need a break except from maybe this forum lol.

    But I don't want another 300 billion budget either. Simple thriller strong plot ...well written.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2015 Posts: 23,883
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    They should just end Bond. For a while at least. Five years or so gap. Let things cool down and then wham - new creative team, new Bond, perhaps with no backstory stuff. A nice soft reboot. Forget about Blofeld with daddy issues, forget Vesper, forget Silva. A clean slate in 2020.

    Agree about everything except the 5 yr break. Move forward quickly with the new one immediately. That, to me, is more important than an SP sequel or a DC 5th.
  • mepal1mepal1
    Posts: 1,098
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Yea we don't need a break except from maybe this forum lol.

    But I don't want another 300 billion budget either. Simple thriller strong plot ...well written.

    300 billion.......now that's some budget.

    btw:- please turn the image on your avatar to portrait mode, i had to rotate my screen 90 degrees to see what the image was!

    :))
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    mepal1 wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Yea we don't need a break except from maybe this forum lol.

    But I don't want another 300 billion budget either. Simple thriller strong plot ...well written.

    300 billion.......now that's some budget.

    btw:- please turn the image on your avatar to portrait mode, i had to rotate my screen 90 degrees to see what the image was!

    :))

    Lol I've been trying to fix that on my phone but no luck. It's driving me crazy lol.

    It's a picture of a picture of my grandfather who was born in the UK but spent most if his life as a Texan. Yee Haw

    By the time I was born he had lost his accent but the cool thing was that he had a James Bond facial scar from a dog attack.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I feel that Craig's Bond might be best served going out on an insanely high note like this.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited November 2015 Posts: 4,116
    chrisisall wrote: »
    I feel that Craig's Bond might be best served going out on an insanely high note like this.

    I do too in a way. I am a big fan of Craig's Bond ...it's not that.

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    I feel that Craig's Bond might be best served going out on an insanely high note like this.

    On one hand, yes I'd say so too, on the other hand..

    no way, because Bond 25 even if only half as good as Spectre would still be infinitely better than the drab drag Skyfall or the epileptic QOS.

    Furthermore now that Craig finally got the movie he deserved that should have come after Casino Royale, they should continue like this.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    I feel that Craig's Bond might be best served going out on an insanely high note like this.

    On one hand, yes I'd say so too, on the other hand..

    no way, because Bond 25 even if only half as good as Spectre would still be infinitely better than the drab drag Skyfall or the epileptic QOS.

    Furthermore now that Craig finally got the movie he deserved that should have come after Casino Royale, they should continue like this.

    Either way Bond lives on. :)
  • mepal1mepal1
    Posts: 1,098
    Well, now that the Bond franchise has opened up the case with Spectre, and its cat stroking owner...........then really this gives the writers a huge opportunity to come up with some cracking future Bond stories.........whether they do or not, is to be seen!
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited November 2015 Posts: 9,020
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    I feel that Craig's Bond might be best served going out on an insanely high note like this.

    On one hand, yes I'd say so too, on the other hand..

    no way, because Bond 25 even if only half as good as Spectre would still be infinitely better than the drab drag Skyfall or the epileptic QOS.

    Furthermore now that Craig finally got the movie he deserved that should have come after Casino Royale, they should continue like this.

    Either way Bond lives on. :)

    True, and I rather take Justin Bieber as the new Bond and One Direction doing the theme song than not having a new Bond movie at all...

    ...wait...damn...the universe just imploded.. :))
  • bondboy007bondboy007
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    I'm personally hoping that for Bond 25 Craig comes back and it starts off with him in M's office, talking about how it didn't work out with Swann (similar to post-DAF & Tiffany Case in the novels). Then he gets a stand alone mission and the rest of the film follows that lead. That's what I wanted out of Spectre, but we got a film that tried to not just be connect directly to SF, but be connected to the prior 3 films.

    Then maybe in Bond 26 we get a new lead actor and they can bring back Blofeld and just ignore all of the foster brother connections that Spectre created. It wouldn't follow logic in terms of continuity, but when has Bond ever cared about that before the Craig era?
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited November 2015 Posts: 4,116
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    I feel that Craig's Bond might be best served going out on an insanely high note like this.

    On one hand, yes I'd say so too, on the other hand..

    no way, because Bond 25 even if only half as good as Spectre would still be infinitely better than the drab drag Skyfall or the epileptic QOS.

    Furthermore now that Craig finally got the movie he deserved that should have come after Casino Royale, they should continue like this.

    Either way Bond lives on. :)

    True, and I rather take Justin Bieber as the new Bond and One Direction doing the theme song than not having a new Bond movie at all...

    ...wait...damn...the universe just imploded.. :))

    Lol ...couldn't be any worse than Barry Nelson.
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
    edited November 2015 Posts: 1,596
    chrisisall wrote: »
    I have foreseen the future my friend (it's a gift I have) and SP will be looked back on as the finest moment of the 21st Century Bonds equaled only by Justin Bieber's first surprise Bond hit (Kill Another Week) directed by Steven Spielberg (his last film).

    Haha. I can't tell if you're just joking around (because of the second bit) but if you're being serious I'll respect your guess and venture one of my own:

    It will "go down in history" exactly how it is being received by most Bond fans and the general public/critics alike: middle to low-middle of the pack. The writing is far too weak for it to experience a critical reappraisal like OHMSS.
  • outlawgeniusoutlawgenius
    Posts: 70
    HASEROT wrote: »
    - Bond's smart blood - other than being able to track him, this is something that really has no payoff, so why was it necessary?? I believe this was a hold over from the draft of the script which i read, where Bond's vitals where kept track of as well (almost like in CR) - then Blofeld at the end, tortures him by doing something with his heart rate... i really liked that, and it was a good pay off to the smart blood idea, but in the film it feels superfluous..

    I know this is from a few pages back, but the way I viewed it was it gave M another angle by which to be against the total surveillance idea as it evolved throughout the movie. Originally he wants Bond tracked after Mexico City, but once he sees that C is not above spying on MI6 directly, and that Nine Eyes will create an unstoppable surveillance power, I think he realizes that this kind of tracking can easily fall into the wrong hands. The second half of the movie, to me, is him learning that needs to trust 007 (that, plus M throwing the newspapers down in front of Bond, are a couple of recalls from Casino Royale) and let him get the job done without peering over his shoulder, but the smart blood is part and parcel with this, imho.
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