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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2015 Posts: 23,883
    SirHilaryBray wrote: »
    I think in Bond 25 they need to strip back a little on the "Team MI6" thing and make the film about Craig's Bond and a on a mission. Exotic locations, Caribbean,
    I actually had a flashback to CR reading your comment here. Pretty much describes that film.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,380
    Birdleson wrote: »
    SirHilaryBray wrote: »
    I think in Bond 25 they need to strip back a little (a lot) on the "Team MI6" thing and make the film about Craig's Bond and a on a mission. Exotic locations, Caribbean, We need Felix back and we need it to be less Dark knight Rises and bit more Dr No there should be an almighty climax, one of the biggest "Something's" to end Craig's tenure.

    A shock to me, I agree wholeheartedly with @SirHilaryBray here.

    Something that worked beautifully in CR was when Mathis told Bond there was no cavalry coming...they need to get back to that sense of danger.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    echo wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    SirHilaryBray wrote: »
    I think in Bond 25 they need to strip back a little (a lot) on the "Team MI6" thing and make the film about Craig's Bond and a on a mission. Exotic locations, Caribbean, We need Felix back and we need it to be less Dark knight Rises and bit more Dr No there should be an almighty climax, one of the biggest "Something's" to end Craig's tenure.

    A shock to me, I agree wholeheartedly with @SirHilaryBray here.

    Something that worked beautifully in CR was when Mathis told Bond there was no cavalry coming...they need to get back to that sense of danger.

    Exactly. A sense of Bond being on his own or just relying on a key local ally. And more sense of danger/peril. TBH apart from maybe the torture scene in CR I've never felt Craig's Bond has ever been in much real personal danger.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    How about when Oberhauser had him strapped to a chair drilling holes in his head, no danger?

    The PTS was the most enviromental danger Bond has been in since CR.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    Damn, if anything SP has provides LOTS of interesting debate concerning the future of the franchise and it's pros and cons in relation to other films of the series (especially SF). I enjoy both SF and SP but lean towards SF more.
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
    Posts: 1,263
    Here is Pierce Brosnan's opinion on Spectre and Craig: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/pierce-brosnan-criticizes-spectre-recommendation-003000252.html

    Very fair criticism and a pleasure to hear him openly talking about the franchise these days.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    Mansfield wrote: »
    Here is Pierce Brosnan's opinion on Spectre and Craig: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/pierce-brosnan-criticizes-spectre-recommendation-003000252.html

    Very fair criticism and a pleasure to hear him openly talking about the franchise these days.

    Fair comment from the Broz. Wonder what his views are on his own snooze-fests?
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
    Posts: 1,263
    Getafix wrote: »
    Fair comment from the Broz. Wonder what his views are on his own snooze-fests?
    I'm sure his split opinion on Spectre is in some way reflective of his inner desire to have been given the opportunity to play Bond under the conditions he recommends for the next Craig film. He probably believes he would have nailed a more psychological Bond, whether or not that's true.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Mansfield wrote: »
    Here is Pierce Brosnan's opinion on Spectre and Craig: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/pierce-brosnan-criticizes-spectre-recommendation-003000252.html

    Very fair criticism and a pleasure to hear him openly talking about the franchise these days.
    He was so rough on his own Bonds- nice to see him like Craig. What a f**king diplomat. I'd like him to be more fair to HIMSELF though...
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Mansfield wrote: »
    Here is Pierce Brosnan's opinion on Spectre and Craig: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/pierce-brosnan-criticizes-spectre-recommendation-003000252.html

    Very fair criticism and a pleasure to hear him openly talking about the franchise these days.
    He was so rough on his own Bonds- nice to see him like Craig. What a f**king diplomat. I'd like him to be more fair to HIMSELF though...

    He's not THAT diplomatic. He's says its overlong and the story is weak... He's basically saying he was bored watching it.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Getafix wrote: »
    He's says its overlong and the story is weak... He's basically saying he was bored watching it.
    Your logic in in question, where Brosnan is concerned.
    :))
    IMO SF & SP both had weak stories & were overlong. I was bored by NEITHER, but I like SP a WHOLE LOT more.
    Republican U.S. Presidential candidate debates & cable infomercials are 'BORING.' B-)
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    Fair and balanced comments from Broz. I think a lot of people dislike him because of his emotional tirade of 2003-05, but his comments are always interesting none the less.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Aziz_Fekkesh wrote: »
    I think a lot of people dislike him because of his emotional tirade of 2003-05
    It was embarrassing to say the least. So much drama, & especially after we had to endure the drama over his near casting in 1986. I'm glad he's gotten over it and is speaking more calmly about Bond these days.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    You people live in your own world.

    All 4 Brosnan movies did more than good. I'm pretty sure everyone involved was very happy from 1995-2002.

    And outside of such forums, the Brosnan-era is not looked upon more critically than Dalton's or even Moore's.

    Get a grip and face reality.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
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    Source?
  • SJK91SJK91
    Posts: 1,310
    Birdleson wrote: »
    If he had played Bond in the same style that he plays assassins in several of his later films (THE MATADOR, THE NOVEMBER MAN, SURVIVOR-this last one was not a very good film) I would have wanted him to stay on indefinitely.

    Matador was good. Concerning the other films you mention...well...if I were Brosnan, I'd attempt to have my name struck from the credits.
  • timmertimmer
    Posts: 4,622
    AceHole wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    I just realized another reason why I hated the Blofeld twist...

    If they can get away with a Blofeld twist like that....they can easily go for "James Bond is a codename" theory.....and you can easily have Black Bond,Fat Bond,Female Bond, Autistic Bond, Psychic Bond, Teenage Bond,Baby Bond etc....

    Brace yourself... As long as Babs yields creative control then we will get more and more of this nonsense.
    I think Sam Mendes might be the only person on the planet who thinks the Blofeld twist is interesting.

  • timmertimmer
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    AceHole wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    QOS was doomed from the start, it followed CR.

    Not if Campbell stayed for QOS. I really think if he looks back on it now, he must think.....'I should have done QOS'. I'm pretty certain QOS would have been more coherent then, not falling into Forster's trap of making the film more arty, more 'arthouse'-y.

    Actually, that was a reason that Mendes gave for coming back for SP. To finish off his story with his characters that he created (MP.Q. M). He may have also been trying to avoid the QoS effect. Having said that, I enjoy QoS a lot. Pacing is absolutely superb......there is nothing wasted in that film.

    Yes, and for the very same reason Mendes came back, Campbell should have come back as well.

    Regarding QOS. The pacing of the film is not superb. It's actually u-turning completely on more or less slower pacings of, let's say, SF and SP. Too much really, so that it actually becomes a flawed films as well. Whereas SP is perhaps for some people a bit too long (for me not a bit....it had two more action setpieces in the 3rd half as compared to SF), QOS is definately too short.

    The films has been edited way too roughly if you ask me. I prefer Lee Smith's work 20 times more than Matt Chesse's 'stuff'. His editing is actually so blunt, that he leaves out entire segments that would have made the film more comprehensible.
    Mendes´s two films have lots of shots that are less comprehensible than anything in QoS, even though they last much longer. QoS is to the point, SF and SP don´t find a point.

    Sorry, I respectfully disagree. And I find it too easy the way you put it.

    In QOS for instance what is entirely missing is focus on the villain's scheme. In a vague kind of way we hear Greene talking about that so called "Tierra Project". At least in SP the "Nine Eyes Project" (also a S.P.E.C.T.R.E./QUANTUM-plot) has been fully explained. There is one guy executing that plot, Max Denbigh, there is a lair where we see how the plot is being executed, and we know how Blofeld -almost- managed to sell his private "Big Brother"-project to several governments across the globe via executive moles (Denbigh).

    In QOS however, there's nothing that elaborates on that Tierra Project. All these dams, creating thise massive huge underground water lakes/reservoirs, are just "there". No explanation on how these were build (QOS could look to AVTAK, where you can see the entire mine that needs to flood the entire San Fransisco bay area and Silicon Valley), there are no people/employees working on the preservation of that lake, it's just "there". Bam! At least 20 mins or more could have been used on this part of the story.
    Well, I guess the dams were simply built, why would I want to watch builders build them? We didn´t see Blofeld´s hackers put together all that information network, it´s also "just there". All that showing in SP didn´t show more than Quantum executives talking about accumulating water supplies while meeting at the opera. In fact, Spectre´s "lair" is used to a deflating effect, while the Quantum meeting leads the viewer behind the scenes of a very dangerous organization. There wasn´t anything more intimidating about Spectre than what we already saw with Quantum. In fact, Quantum was much more like a spectre, you can cut off one head, but the organization won´t even care much, while this new incarnation of Spectre looked like it was relying solely on a guy preoccupied with family feuds, how much more instable can you get?



    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    People need to rewatch some of the older Bond films. There used to be times when.....we weren't so critical towards a Bond film. Times when we actually accepted the ridiculousness of the plots.

    ...

    And I can name many many more examples. Yet ever since we got so "social media addicted" (yes, IMDB too) and suffering from "comparison sickness" thereoff, the newer Bond films, especially those with Daniel Craig, have to endure an exaggerated and unfair amount of scrutiny.

    ...

    Sometimes I think....we've lost our 'talent' to feel entertained.
    Oh come on. It´s not the ridiculousness of the plots, it´s lackluster execution on behalf of the filmmakers. Big Trouble in Little China is a prime example of a ridiculous plot, yet it is one of the most entertaining movies of all times, because it´s a masterclass lesson in storytelling.
    I can be entertained all right. I can watch a lot of Bond films over and over again, despite a lot of copied ideas and bad jokes.     There were quite some films this year I went to see several times at the cinema, and will see more times on disc. But I don´t have to eat sh*t.

    Thank you for taking this on, I didn't have the energy to be honest...

    Yes, good posting. Yeoman's work.

    4th viewing tomorrow. Might bring shades to protect against the glare from Blofelds bare ankles. Very distracting.
    I am not as enamoured with this movie as I was at first but I still like watching it, even if it is a Mendes Bond film.
    Still lots of good Bond stuff in the film, even if the broader presentation seems kind of off.
    The movie just has too much of a heavy feel IMO.
    It's a good Bond film, but it's also a Sam drama and that 2nd bit, I think is the problem in a nutshell.
    Looking forward to seeing Seydoux sashay down the train aisle again and every second of Sigman screen time.
    Bond Girls are great in this film even if there are only 3.
    Rome car chase is my favourite action scene.Beautifully shot and I do like the interplay with MP that it's intercut with.
    Really like the whole snow chase too and watching Craig finally getting the chance to take full ownership of the character.





  • dragonskydragonsky
    Posts: 2,491
    Interesting comment I found on youtube:


    This is just a thought, but could the villians of the Daniel Graig James Bond films represent the Seven Deadly Sins?
    Casino Royale: Le Chiffre = Greed (banker of the underworld)
    Quantum of Solace; Greene = Gluttony (wants the watersupply of Bolivia)
    Skyfall: Silvia = Wrath (wants revenge on MI6 and M)
    spectre: Blofeld = Pride ('i am the author of all your pain' (or something like that), he sees himself above Bond, which you could say 'pride').

    What is left: Envy, Lust and Sloth.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    Posts: 6,396
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Interesting comment I found on youtube:


    This is just a thought, but could the villians of the Daniel Graig James Bond films represent the Seven Deadly Sins?
    Casino Royale: Le Chiffre = Greed (banker of the underworld)
    Quantum of Solace; Greene = Gluttony (wants the watersupply of Bolivia)
    Skyfall: Silvia = Wrath (wants revenge on MI6 and M)
    spectre: Blofeld = Pride ('i am the author of all your pain' (or something like that), he sees himself above Bond, which you could say 'pride').

    What is left: Envy, Lust and Sloth.

    Bond25 = 007 says balls to the mission and decides to have a lie in instead. ;)
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    WillyGalore wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Interesting comment I found on youtube:


    This is just a thought, but could the villians of the Daniel Graig James Bond films represent the Seven Deadly Sins?
    Casino Royale: Le Chiffre = Greed (banker of the underworld)
    Quantum of Solace; Greene = Gluttony (wants the watersupply of Bolivia)
    Skyfall: Silvia = Wrath (wants revenge on MI6 and M)
    spectre: Blofeld = Pride ('i am the author of all your pain' (or something like that), he sees himself above Bond, which you could say 'pride').

    What is left: Envy, Lust and Sloth

    Bond25 = 007 says balls to the mission and decides to have a lie in instead. ;)

    Bond26 = 007 envies 009's big co....ahem....car and secretly kills him in his sleep.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    Mansfield wrote: »
    Here is Pierce Brosnan's opinion on Spectre and Craig: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/pierce-brosnan-criticizes-spectre-recommendation-003000252.html

    Very fair criticism and a pleasure to hear him openly talking about the franchise these days.

    He offered praise with criticism...just like us... and ended with Bond fan enthusiasm.

    That's the most truly Moore-ish I've ever heard Brosnan.

  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Mansfield wrote: »
    Here is Pierce Brosnan's opinion on Spectre and Craig: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/pierce-brosnan-criticizes-spectre-recommendation-003000252.html

    Very fair criticism and a pleasure to hear him openly talking about the franchise these days.

    He offered praise with criticism...just like us... and ended with Bond fan enthusiasm.

    That's the most truly Moore-ish I've ever heard Brosnan.

    ""SPECTRE" is neither fish nor fowl. It’s neither Bond nor Bourne."

    Well, Brosnan isn't slashing Craig's wrists, but he is slashing the film. And in all honesty I find it a bit too harsh. For me "SPECTRE" has a solid story, has explained several aspects of the villain's plot way better than in "SKYFALL", and in fact feels way more 'Bond' to me than previous outings.

    This Jason Bourne comments....I'm getting a bit tired of it. Because with "SKYFALL" and "SPECTRE" the films have become more 'Bond' and less 'Jason Bourne'. I always find it a missed chance that journalists don't continue asking questions like "How do you compare "SPECTRE" with your own Bond films?"
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited November 2015 Posts: 4,116
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Mansfield wrote: »
    Here is Pierce Brosnan's opinion on Spectre and Craig: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/pierce-brosnan-criticizes-spectre-recommendation-003000252.html

    Very fair criticism and a pleasure to hear him openly talking about the franchise these days.

    He offered praise with criticism...just like us... and ended with Bond fan enthusiasm.

    That's the most truly Moore-ish I've ever heard Brosnan.

    ""SPECTRE" is neither fish nor fowl. It’s neither Bond nor Bourne."

    Well, Brosnan isn't slashing Craig's wrists, but he is slashing the film. And in all honesty I find it a bit too harsh. For me "SPECTRE" has a solid story, has explained several aspects of the villain's plot way better than in "SKYFALL", and in fact feels way more 'Bond' to me than previous outings.

    This Jason Bourne comments....I'm getting a bit tired of it. Because with "SKYFALL" and "SPECTRE" the films have become more 'Bond' and less 'Jason Bourne'. I always find it a missed chance that journalists don't continue asking questions like "How do you compare "SPECTRE" with your own Bond films?"

    Yeah I'm tired of the Bourne comments...and Bourne for that matter.

    But he expressed his opinion which some have shared even those like me who enjoyed the film.

    What I appreciated is that he ended the statement with positive comments regarding both Craig and the future of the series.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Mansfield wrote: »
    Here is Pierce Brosnan's opinion on Spectre and Craig: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/pierce-brosnan-criticizes-spectre-recommendation-003000252.html

    Very fair criticism and a pleasure to hear him openly talking about the franchise these days.

    He offered praise with criticism...just like us... and ended with Bond fan enthusiasm.

    That's the most truly Moore-ish I've ever heard Brosnan.

    ""SPECTRE" is neither fish nor fowl. It’s neither Bond nor Bourne."

    Well, Brosnan isn't slashing Craig's wrists, but he is slashing the film. And in all honesty I find it a bit too harsh. For me "SPECTRE" has a solid story, has explained several aspects of the villain's plot way better than in "SKYFALL", and in fact feels way more 'Bond' to me than previous outings.

    This Jason Bourne comments....I'm getting a bit tired of it. Because with "SKYFALL" and "SPECTRE" the films have become more 'Bond' and less 'Jason Bourne'. I always find it a missed chance that journalists don't continue asking questions like "How do you compare "SPECTRE" with your own Bond films?"

    Yeah I'm tired of the Bourne comments...and Bourne for that matter.

    But he expressed his opinion which some have shared even those like me who enjoyed the film.

    What I appreciated is that he ended the statement with positive comments regarding both Craig and the future of the series.

    Yes, but still he was pretty harsh on the actual film. Roger Moore always rephrases in a more gentleman-esque manner.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Mansfield wrote: »
    Here is Pierce Brosnan's opinion on Spectre and Craig: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/pierce-brosnan-criticizes-spectre-recommendation-003000252.html

    Very fair criticism and a pleasure to hear him openly talking about the franchise these days.

    He offered praise with criticism...just like us... and ended with Bond fan enthusiasm.

    That's the most truly Moore-ish I've ever heard Brosnan.

    ""SPECTRE" is neither fish nor fowl. It’s neither Bond nor Bourne."

    Well, Brosnan isn't slashing Craig's wrists, but he is slashing the film. And in all honesty I find it a bit too harsh. For me "SPECTRE" has a solid story, has explained several aspects of the villain's plot way better than in "SKYFALL", and in fact feels way more 'Bond' to me than previous outings.

    This Jason Bourne comments....I'm getting a bit tired of it. Because with "SKYFALL" and "SPECTRE" the films have become more 'Bond' and less 'Jason Bourne'. I always find it a missed chance that journalists don't continue asking questions like "How do you compare "SPECTRE" with your own Bond films?"

    Yeah I'm tired of the Bourne comments...and Bourne for that matter.

    But he expressed his opinion which some have shared even those like me who enjoyed the film.

    What I appreciated is that he ended the statement with positive comments regarding both Craig and the future of the series.

    Yes, but still he was pretty harsh on the actual film. Roger Moore always rephrases in a more gentleman-esque manner.

    Ok I can see that... I quickly read the link... probably should re-read.
  • tigers99tigers99
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    I think Brozza's being a bit harsh on Spectre, but he's entitled to his opinion.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    tigers99 wrote: »
    I think Brozza's being a bit harsh on Spectre, but he's entitled to his opinion.

    It's better than any Bond film he appeared in though (including box office receipts)......ironic really.
  • tigers99tigers99
    Posts: 582
    suavejmf wrote: »
    tigers99 wrote: »
    I think Brozza's being a bit harsh on Spectre, but he's entitled to his opinion.

    It's better than any Bond film he appeared in though (including box office receipts)......ironic really.

    I agree.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    tigers99 wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    tigers99 wrote: »
    I think Brozza's being a bit harsh on Spectre, but he's entitled to his opinion.

    It's better than any Bond film he appeared in though (including box office receipts)......ironic really.

    I agree.

    I agree too. Anyone else agree? If we find 50 'agrees' we win the lottery :-P.
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