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Controversial opinion here...but I'd say with more sedate editing it would actually be far less awesome. There's very little to the chase and when you think of the misfortune they had with injuries and accidentally sunk Aston Martins there is less to show for their efforts on screen here than the excessively criticised Rome chase in SP.
The frantic pace and editing of the car chase it what makes it I think. Less so with the boat chase which I'd agree ruined it.
That's nothing new though is it? People felt like that with TWINE and the ski-jump in TSWLM is one of the most iconic moments in cinematic history let alone the film itself!
The boat sequence is far less successful as you said, as is the Siena rooftop/Mitchel chase/fight. I would have preferred more distance shots in both.
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I agree.............good tune.........but as you say.......they should of got a woman to sing the song, it just sounded so uncomfortable for Smith to sing it, and as you say almost embarrassing.
Yup.
The audience/user % scores across those 3 sites I posted above are pretty consistent though. That must be a reasonable sample size of the viewing public to give some indication of a cross section of the public's overall view. It's scoring above QoS by about 5 - 10 pts I think.
Yep, that's what I mean. People were overall less enthusiastic before the US opening. Spectre is very much a film for the fans, a return to formula. I think many, particularly critics, were disappointed with this. But EON and Mendes must have known this was coming.
After leaving the theatre I was conflicted, I didn't really know what to think of Spectre and it was unclear if I felt the film was good or bad. Maybe I'm being a negative nancy but I cannot love this film and appreciate it on the same level I do as Casino Royale and my other favourite Bond films. However the film is technically impressive and exceptional in several regards that make the film impossible to hate, unless you're one of those Craig haters I cannot comprehend. I was also expecting a very ham fisted performence by Christoph Waltz but I was actually really impressed; I love my Bond villains and he earned a good mark. I love the Title Sequence song by Sam Smith but didn't really like the title sequence visuals. Every time the film took a step in the right direction, it ruined itself by taking a step back; several sections of the film end in a cliche, boring or unintended humourous way, which leaves the climaxes lacking but overall content positive.
Spectre is definitely a good film but I feel the writers missed their marks at several points in the script and couldn't come up with interesting and unique ways to get things done. The acting is great and the characters are good. The settings and cinematography are beautiful. The ending was poor and really left me unsatisfied.
Overall I would give Spectre an 8/10, which (sadly) ranks it within the Top 10 since I cannot give more than 10 of the Bond films honest 8/10s. Spectre is just so much more visually stunning than older entries that relied more heavily on characters but Spectre also has great character acting carrying it too, which puts the classics to a bit of shame. The story/narrative is definitely the weakest element to Spectre but its not enough of a detractor to bring it down. Spectre is definitely weaker than Casino Royale and Skyfall but its better than QoS by a decent margin. I would consider Spectre on par with Goldfinger/Thunderball in the 6th - 10th best all-time range.
Indeed. Someone tell Barbara I want to see all the money spent on high class actors in characters ON THE PAGE, and let it filter to the screen.
They simply must choose better talent. I agree Mendes should let it drop. They should take Paul Greengrass because any fight in any of his Bournes is more exciting than anything in SPECTRE. And they are just two actors squaring off with each other, much less expensive than a car chase in an empty Rome.
Greengrass could do a kickass Bond for 100 millions. The Victoria Station scene in Bourne 3 is the kind of stuff we should see in future Bond. Bond really being clever and more skilled than all the bag guys and their surveillance.
While I absolutely came to love the car chase in QoS as it is (admittedly after repeated viewing), with those phenomenal backgrounds I wouldn´t see much of a problem if some of the shots were slightly longer.
I love the pace of all the action scenes in QoS. At first sight, it looks like Bourne, but with repeated viewing it turns out completely different, much more reminiscent of Peter Hunt´s fast editing near the end of TB.
The return to the formula is beside the point actually, because it is things like constant color filtering or lame storytelling that disappoint.
What, after QoS still after all these years getting constant flak for its fast cuts you want Greengrass, who, beside equally fast cuts, actually doesn´t even show the action in the frame?
You have a good point about some clever ideas in those films, but it might be fair to assume the Bond producers on purpose relied on parts of their old formula, exactly to appear not like Bourne.
I absolutely agree though that the next Bond film shouldn´t cost more than 100 million. And if they make a car chase, they should remember that there ARE films like Ronin, so there´s no excuse in the world for making another unexciting chase.
Greengrass would just give us shaky cam and Bourne riffs.
The train fight in SP is fnatastic and just right for Bond film. One of the best fights in a Bond film for years IMO.
My positioning of it at no. 7 still stands. Still enjoyed it, viewed in a half empty cinema, and with the wife in tow (She loved it!), everything I love about it still stands, but I do have trouble with that final section in London!
Funny the things you notice later. Did anybody see a very strange close up shot of Mr. Hinx in the car chase, just as they drove the cars on the slant? it was as if he was computer generated or something. I noticed it on my third viewing, and thought it was just my eyes playing tricks, so I was ready for it this time. Odd moment. Apologies if someone has already said this, as there is so much going on here. Glad to see SP doing well at the box office. Well, onto watching it next on blu-ray, hopefully early next year. Always a different experience in your own home!
I love Greengrass but IMO he is not right for Bond. However, there is a 'Bondian' version of Greengrass: Denis Villeneuve. He delivers nail-bitting thrillers just like Greengrass, but shows a lot more Bondian class in doing so.
That would be great and the logical choice to succeed to Mendes.
You see really nothing during those with seven or so camera's filmed fistfights whereas Sam Mendes his pace is really fantastic. You can follow every action without losing any tension. And still you can feel being there!
Both the trainfight in Spectre and the stairwell fight in Casino Royale are really fantastic cinema! There is nothing else I expect from Bond.
The same goes for J.J. Abrams with his lens flare gimmick. It adds nothing in most scenes. In some of his movies he even uses it way too much. It really is a distraction from the action and actors. I read somewhere he admitted that he probably overused the lens flare in some movies.
It should have had an 77% audience rating at RT, 7.6 at IMDB, & 7.3 User Score at Metacritic.
On top of that, it should have received a 7.7 Critics Rating on RT and a 7.0 Critics Rating on MetaCritic.
Alas, the entire SonyLeaks (negative) publicity brought a whole new narrative to the production of "SPECTRE". Names like those of Idris Elba came out those leaks, as Amy Pascal's personal favourite to step in the shoes of Daniel Craig (Bitch!). What happened then was a re-focus of the (gossip) media on other aspects of the production. They zoomed in on "Who will be the next Bond Daniel?" and "I'd rather slash my wrists!". The goodwill from "Skyfall" therefore more or less diminished, as I do think that Americans are a bit more sensitive for these kind of words. They do prefer the pastiche of Tom Cruise than the straightforward "streetguy" that Danny Craig is.
That's the real reason "SPECTRE" is rated how it is right now. Because in all honesty the film should have been rated lower than "Skyfall" and "Casino Royale", but not thát low!
EDIT. Actually,no. It is a hotel, saw it again today and the word 'hotel' is above the word L'Americain, and Bond and Swann go into a reception, Swann talks to a clerk at the desk and they are then shown to their room!